Demar DeRozan has EARLY scoring lead by a yuuge 3 pts. Still 14-1 for scoring champ?

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  • Bill Dozer
    www.twitter.com/BillDozer
    • 07-12-05
    • 10894

    #1
    Demar DeRozan has EARLY scoring lead by a yuuge 3 pts. Still 14-1 for scoring champ?
    Demar DeRozan is up over Westbrook by 3 points. His game is improved. Could be a breakout year? Anyway... 888Sport has him at 14-1 for the scoring title. At first I thought it was a bad line but they have James Harden updated for Assist Leader at Odds of -200.

  • cwnotorious
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 05-13-13
    • 950

    #2
    Derozen put on a bit of much needed muscle in the off season, has really helped his drive game. He gets to the basket more often now, always had a good mid range game.
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    • TheMoneyShot
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 02-14-07
      • 28672

      #3
      I'm definitely surprised.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        It is why Toronto will not win and he can win title

        Ball hog...cannot win with wild guards
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        • Bill Dozer
          www.twitter.com/BillDozer
          • 07-12-05
          • 10894

          #5
          What I like about this bet besides the outdated price is that all of his games so far were played the same way. A lot of times when an unexpected guy is winning or a guy is way out ahead its because he had an insane game where he scored 60 and the coach left him in until the mid 4th in a blowout to get a big total. Unless he is Kobe, its not something a bettor should expect to happen every 8 games.
          Also, the Raptors are not too good to where DDR is going to be sitting a lot of 4th quarters. In my mind its between him, Harden and Westbrook. Harden seems like he wants to lead the league in assists.
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          • Conqueror
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 12-08-13
            • 16778

            #6
            Originally posted by Bill Dozer
            What I like about this bet besides the outdated price is that all of his games so far were played the same way. A lot of times when an unexpected guy is winning or a guy is way out ahead its because he had an insane game where he scored 60 and the coach left him in until the mid 4th in a blowout to get a big total. Unless he is Kobe, its not something a bettor should expect to happen every 8 games.
            Also, the Raptors are not too good to where DDR is going to be sitting a lot of 4th quarters. In my mind its between him, Harden and Westbrook. Harden seems like he wants to lead the league in assists.
            Great insight!
            I can definitely see him play more minutes per game than Durant, Curry, Thompson, and James.
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            • MoMoneyMoVaughn
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 05-08-14
              • 14988

              #7
              Derozan is shooting at an unprecedented clip so far this year. His eFG% is 80 points higher than his career. It is bound to regress towards the mean at some point I think he is just starting out the season hot. He's still taking a lot of low percentage shots. He is making them but it would seem unlikely that he would continue to shoot so well. He had that 7/20 game against Sacramento and he had 17/27 game against Detroit in the opener. I think the real Derozan lies somewhere between these two games.

              I don't think he wins it, honestly, but at +1400 it's worth a poke.
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              • gojetsgomoxies
                SBR MVP
                • 09-04-12
                • 4222

                #8
                good topic....... i would ask on huge raptors fan website but i generally don't have a ton of respect for the posters there. much better answers here.

                it definitely helps that durant/curry won't win now. and i think lebron not for all kinds of reasons.

                i would say westbrook is probably #1 alternative.

                one thing to keep somewhat in mind is JV has been out some for toronto, although DD was getting big points when JV was playing.
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                • Bill Dozer
                  www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                  • 07-12-05
                  • 10894

                  #9
                  Agree on the FG% but he is shooting 17% in 3s. But yea, 10% of the season is gone by and he will probably be overtaken by Russ or Harden but the odds of that happening of course are much lower than in this prop.
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                  • IBetYou
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-03-15
                    • 8158

                    #10
                    I haven't seen anything from him that I haven't seen before. Players run hot & cold. A couple weeks from now it might be Lowry scorching the Earth.
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                    • MoMoneyMoVaughn
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 05-08-14
                      • 14988

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                      Agree on the FG% but he is shooting 17% in 3s. But yea, 10% of the season is gone by and he will probably be overtaken by Russ or Harden but the odds of that happening of course are much lower than in this prop.
                      He's actually taking fewer threes than last year, slightly. It's never been a huge part of his game. I say this because I watch a ton of Raptors games, living in Toronto. His game is mid range, drives, mostly coming in iso situations. He's getting to the line alot and shooting at a high clip there but that is nothing new.

                      He's just making shots that he wasn't last year but a lot of them are "bad" shots. It seems very unlikely that he will continue to make so many contested mid-range jumpers.
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                      • Chi_archie
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 07-22-08
                        • 63172

                        #12
                        Hamburger
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                        • gojetsgomoxies
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-04-12
                          • 4222

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MoMoneyMoVaughn
                          He's actually taking fewer threes than last year, slightly. It's never been a huge part of his game. I say this because I watch a ton of Raptors games, living in Toronto. His game is mid range, drives, mostly coming in iso situations. He's getting to the line alot and shooting at a high clip there but that is nothing new.

                          He's just making shots that he wasn't last year but a lot of them are "bad" shots. It seems very unlikely that he will continue to make so many contested mid-range jumpers.
                          agree 1000%. i watch every raptors game.............. good at 14-1 though, i think we all agree
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                          • cwnotorious
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 05-13-13
                            • 950

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                            What I like about this bet besides the outdated price is that all of his games so far were played the same way. A lot of times when an unexpected guy is winning or a guy is way out ahead its because he had an insane game where he scored 60 and the coach left him in until the mid 4th in a blowout to get a big total. Unless he is Kobe, its not something a bettor should expect to happen every 8 games.
                            Also, the Raptors are not too good to where DDR is going to be sitting a lot of 4th quarters. In my mind its between him, Harden and Westbrook. Harden seems like he wants to lead the league in assists.
                            A guy who is ahead because of an insane game - Anthony Davis
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                            • slayer14
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 08-12-13
                              • 22022

                              #15
                              Get the same odds with a decent bookmaker, those guys are dodgy
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                              • biggie12
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-30-05
                                • 13794

                                #16
                                becareful he has been playing very well. Making all of his mid and close range shots he will average out i believe 14-1 is more then fair odds for him to win.

                                I would probably bet him at 25-1 not enough value at 14 imo
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                                • 1017BrickSquad
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 11-22-10
                                  • 703

                                  #17
                                  Would rather take lillard. He's on a mission this year
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                                  • Itsamazing777
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 11-14-12
                                    • 12602

                                    #18
                                    Westbrook won't be stopped
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                                    • greenhippo
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 02-15-12
                                      • 9091

                                      #19
                                      I'd put $25 on it for the hell of it.

                                      Too early in the season to place a bet on any of these unless you're getting great odds like the +1400. Harden I think easily wins the assist title, the offense will always run through him. -200 is not worth waiting 7 months for a payout though.
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                                      • Bill Dozer
                                        www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                                        • 07-12-05
                                        • 10894

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by MoMoneyMoVaughn

                                        He's actually taking fewer threes than last year, slightly. It's never been a huge part of his game. I say this because I watch a ton of Raptors games, living in Toronto. His game is mid range, drives, mostly coming in iso situations. He's getting to the line alot and shooting at a high clip there but that is nothing new.

                                        He's just making shots that he wasn't last year but a lot of them are "bad" shots. It seems very unlikely that he will continue to make so many contested mid-range jumpers.
                                        Can't disagree. But if you had to talk yourself into it at 14-1 and ask what is different... He is stronger. That is a big part of getting to the stripe. And then there is USA basketball... How many players come back from those summers and decide they need to be doin what the top guys are doing? It's like superstar bootcamp.
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                                        • Bill Dozer
                                          www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                                          • 07-12-05
                                          • 10894

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by cwnotorious
                                          A guy who is ahead because of an insane game - Anthony Davis
                                          For sure. This is a guy I would like to bet NOT to be be in top 5. Teams figure him out as the season goes on and he breaks down from the double teams and pressure. There is no one to spread the floor and take the pressure off him. I love AD's game but look at this roster. http://www.nba.com/pelicans/roster/ Could these guys - minus Davis and Holiday - win the D league?
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                                          • cwnotorious
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 05-13-13
                                            • 950

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Bill Dozer
                                            For sure. This is a guy I would like to bet NOT to be be in top 5. Teams figure him out as the season goes on and he breaks down from the double teams and pressure. There is no one to spread the floor and take the pressure off him. I love AD's game but look at this roster. http://www.nba.com/pelicans/roster/ Could these guys - minus Davis and Holiday - win the D league?
                                            That roster is brutes! Really speaks to the disparity in the league right now, is Nwo still majority owned by the nba?
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