CK The People's Champ versus jgbgsox NBA Playoffs Challenge

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by showtime2000

Nice call Roagbettor!

CK, at the rate that San Antonio is scoring with under 75 points i foresee a possible PC Play in the near future?

San Antonio is THE play in game 4.

jgbgsox, if you look at any of my plays you will see that I make them the day before and sometimes two days before the actual game. To be honest, I didn't know of the rule. I always thought that anytime you have a challenge that a play is okay as long as it is before the actual game that's being played. That's how I have always done it...

Vreston · 04-24-09, 02:54 AM

Great job guys!

That Utah call CK was great!
Also the Under in the LA game jg was great too! I had that in mind myself. I played it and woke up in the middle of the night to put more money on it but I didn't. Too bad for me.
I hope this challenge continues guys. It's been great watching so far. You're both great cappers doing a great job!

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 03:40 AM

The rules are the same as always. I am hoping that we can get SamsNCharge to lay them out for all to see so that we don't have any rule breaking.

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 03:45 AM

that's outta of your mouth and now your saying you didnt know the rules well if that under game counts for you then im done i either play by the rules or i don't play at all if you put that game in before the first tipoff of the nite i wouldn't say one word but it wasn't and that play doesn;t count so you should be 9-7 and im 7-3 let me know if u wanna continue with the correct standings either way best of luck to you

suckatmyjob · 04-24-09, 07:42 AM

Before it all begin, CK stated first post:
The rules are the same as always. I am hoping that we can get SamsNCharge to lay them out for all to see so that we don't have any rule breaking. I usually cap my games at night, so there is very little chance that I will EVER make a late play.

Sam's Rules in 32 man tourney:
1. Each Match up will last 2 weeks and the 2 opponents must choose b/t 25-30 games in that time.
2. If you fail to choose 25 games, you will lose.
3. You do not have to choose a game every day.
4. Best record after 2 weeks is the winner and moves on.
5. TIEBREAKER--In the Event of a Tiebreaker, the 2 people, will choose every game the next NAB day. They will choose every spread and every O/U. The best record that day moves on.
6. We're picking only NBA games and only spreads/O/U. No 1st Half bets, No half time bets, no quarter bets, No NCAA, only NBA.
7. This is NOT for $$$, but you can make bets w/ your opponent.
8. The final 8 can put down money if they all choose and agree to do so. It's not my responsibility if a match up is for money and one person doesn't pay.
9. I will make one thread for each match up. Daily, I will post the standings for the two opponents as well as games/lines we are playing from for the day. PLEASE CHECK MY MATH, I CAN MAKE MISTAKES. The thread I make for the 2 people is for the whole 2 weeks, I will not make a new thread every day, only 1 for every match up.
10. ALL GAMES MIST BE CHOSEN BY FIRST TIP-OFF. So, IF YOU POST AFTER THE 1st TIP-OFF WHICH IS 7:10, YOUR PLAYS WON'T COUNT FOR THE DAY. ALL PLAYS MUST BE IN BEFORE 7:10...1ST TIP-OFF.
11. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY EXTRA RULES, ASK.

Results:
I'm thinking CK will drop the game and make that one a non competition and current record is:

jgbgsox 7-3
ck 9-7

yes? no? jgbgsox you've been in and out of ck thread and seen his post before so take ck word and let it be but since he did stated at the beginning then rules are rules

best of luck guys im off on vacation --- hope some of you guys got on that DNDN stock haha all well

RoagBettor · 04-24-09, 07:57 AM

I usually cap my games at night, so there is very little chance that I will EVER make a late play.

That comment right there proves to me that CK was not aware of that rule or simply forgot about it and didn't read the rules again before he posted them.

Otherwise, why would he even state it upfront that he might make a LATE PLAY if he knew he COULDN'T make a late play at all? And no one caught it at the time he posted it. I'm calling bullsh*t.

jgb, you're doing a great job, but calling CK a cheat without all of the facts is pretty lame.

SamsNCharge99 · 04-24-09, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by jgbgsox

The rules are the same as always. I am hoping that we can get SamsNCharge to lay them out for all to see so that we don't have any rule breaking.

Yo, I've been in and out of being banned and stuff. I have no PMs and the mods have the verify each post I make to make sure it's ok.

So, if you guys have any questions about the contest....AIM me.

basker90

cnleaf · 04-24-09, 08:47 AM

Day 6 Scoreboard:

CK People's Champ: 10-7-0.

jgbgsox: 7-3-0.

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 09:55 AM

What I'm saying jgbgsox is I don't care about when you play your games so just play them whenever you want to as long as it's 30 minutes prior to tipoff. It was a silly rule to begin with. As long as the call is made before the game who cares? Hell I had guys buying points and playing the same games as me down the stretch and another guy in the competition who admitted he wasn't wagering wth actual money about two days into the challenge and all kinds of shit in my last competition and I still kept on keepin' on. And those guys are just as talented as you. You're getting a little bit technical. Just use it to your advantage. Make your plays whenever the hell you want them. What do I care? I've had 99% of my plays made one to two days in advance anyway. Ordinarily I mandate that a person would have to make their plays the night before. Some guys have gotten caught buying picks on the sneak tip in the past.

The Missus and I have a lot of travel plans ( I didn't think that she would be pregnant when we were to go on our trips but whatever. I'll take dark sunglasses) over the next couple of months. There will be no more threads from me until August (football season). So I'm going to go into auto pilot and play system games only in baseball and an occasional play and give her more attention and consideration (in other words.. spend some money and time on her) So I've got to get these 25 plays off BEFORE next Friday. Friday is packing day and Saturday is 6 hour flight day.

Keep it rollin'! Your talent is undeniable. If I should so lose my first challenge it couldn't have been to a better person. I feel like a 41 year old Michael Jordan taking on a 24 year old Allen Iverson. Win or lose, it's been an awesome experience so far. I've had a hook loss, and two one point losses, and you've had a hook loss. Otherwise our records would be 13-4 and 8-2. Keep up the good work.

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 10:14 AM

Play#16 has been changed to Orlando-3.5 Game 3. I just can't back Detroit after watching them on recast. They are horrible and may get blown out. The playoff systems page we made indicates that Detroit is the play, but they play with no inspiration.

oBaMa_MaNiA · 04-24-09, 10:20 AM

According to the playoff systems play, isn't Portland/Houston under a play also?

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 10:44 AM

ok so since the rules have changed in the middle of the challenge i am done before the match started ck said we are playing by the same rules and ive been posting all my plays before the first tipoff believe me i wanted to take denver -6 the 2nd game but it was after the first game tipped that i looked at it so i didnt post it cause it was too late because the first game tipped now he says the rules are silly and they changed well he should of said that before the match started and i would be 8-3 now cause i would have posted denver -6 if i knew he was going to change them but best of luck to you ck but in my opinion its 9-7 for ck and 7-3 for me

MrMonkey · 04-24-09, 10:55 AM

jgbgsox, with all due respect to you sir and your splendid capping skills, all this whining (even if some is justified) is taking the luster off a great contest!

Followed your contest with SexyMit and you wanted him to face CK even if you won! But seems like you still had complaints about procedures!

Come on friend, just make the picks of each game depending on their tipoff time (say 6:50, 7:50, 9:50 etc .....) should be sufficient. There were so many holes in Sam's rules that you know how many people kept asking this and that in regards to clarification!

Great contest so far from two skilled gentlemen, let's end this graciously, win or lose!

MrMonkey

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 11:04 AM

yes i wanted sexymit to face ck because ck was wanting to challenge sexymit so why not let them go head to head and yes i had some complaints about people not following rules if u noticed everyone of my plays was before the first tipoff of that nite yes its a silly rule we should play the games before tipoff but i didnt make the rules i just followed them and continued to follow them in this match and if i knew the rules changed i should be 8-3 but this will be my last post about this

ragiche · 04-24-09, 11:54 AM

My plays for tonight:

Cle -5.5 (W)

Cle/Det O 178 (L)

Orl -3.5 (L)

Hou -5.5 (L)

Por/Hou U 184.5 (W)

2-3-0 for today.Hope tomorrow will be a good day. Good night guys.

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by oBaMa_MaNiA

According to the playoff systems play, isn't Portland/Houston under a play also?

Yes it is. I have been watching the line overnight though and it looks like all systems go on the play. There are only 17% of bettors on the under, and it has not budged from the opening number. It's gonna get testy in the paint tonight as Houston does not want to squander their home court advantage that they got in Portland. I am gonna wait for another couple of hours and play it at noon pst. I have already updated the big board.

jg- give it a rest. Play whenever you want within 30 minutes of the game. Relax. I've had ten times the reasons for giving up on challenges in the past. You're too good to let a technicality effect you like this. If it was of such a benefit as you are letting on to me then it should also be the same for you. Personally I think that it makes no difference when a person makes their play. You're making a big deal out of nothing.

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 12:52 PM

NFL Props

I just put in a sick play on the Dolphins+4550, Bears +1665, Ravens+1750, Patriots +485 to reach the Super Bowl. Personally I don't think that anyone is going to be able to stop the Patriots and Ravens in the AFC. And the NFC will be wide open. If the Niners and Vikings address their quarterback situation a little better they will be my surprise teams of the year next year, followed by the Raiders once Garcia gets under the helm, and another surprise is the Titans will finish with a 9-7 record. In other words the fade will be in order. They lost everything with Haynesworth walking.

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 01:19 PM

Non-Challenge Play:

Detroit+8 buying 3 points. Still waiting to see if a hook may come later.

This is LT's rule combined with repski's rule on the playoff trends page. Cleveland has covered a double digit spread two straight games and is favored on the road in the third. It is call of the century, but since I just can't play the Pistons with a funky 5 points, I will masage the numbers a bit and take The Pistons+8 or more. I will wait until right before gametime. Hopefully the number goes up to 5.5 and then the Cavs will have to beat them by 10 in order to get the cover.

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 01:50 PM

ck maybe i am but im not going to continue with this challenge ask one of the guys that was in the 64 man challenge and if their honest they would also say that play didnt count and i said it didnt count before the game was even out of the 1st quarter so either your 9-7 or the challenge is done and i will be happy with my 70 percent and u also said we are using the same rules and there wont be no rule breaking but i guess if u can't win the fair way u have to go a different route like i said i wanted denver -6 but didnt post it cause it was too late so if u wanna say your 10-7 im 8-3

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 02:52 PM

I'm going HEAVY on Houston-5.5

Mriswith · 04-24-09, 03:00 PM

jgbgsox,

1st I thought you came over a bit strong sort of accusing ck trying to change the rules, I took it as an honest mistake by him, even though you brought up this specific timing rule as early as in post #3 of this thread.
It's a pity to see this challenge end this way, but I can sympathize with you now that the rules have been brought to notice and there neither is need nor room for an argument. I fully understand you feeling to be treated unfair now that the late pick is considered valid.
As it may be no big thing for you to accept this change of rules, I do not see why it'd be a bigger thing for ck to concede his pick was late and therefore not be considered valid for this challenge. Even if rules are stupid from begin on or turn out later to be so, they still are the rules agrred upon and to be honored by both sides.

I look forward to you posting your future picks as you mentioned a few posts above.

bol to all,
Mris

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by jgbgsox

ck maybe i am but im not going to continue with this challenge ask one of the guys that was in the 64 man challenge and if their honest they would also say that play didnt count and i said it didnt count before the game was even out of the 1st quarter so either your 9-7 or the challenge is done and i will be happy with my 70 percent and u also said we are using the same rules and there wont be no rule breaking but i guess if u can't win the fair way u have to go a different route like i said i wanted denver -6 but didnt post it cause it was too late so if u wanna say your 10-7 im 8-3

Notice how I didn't complain about your Denver play being late as you so called put it? Because it was okay with me. Matter of fact I didn't notice that it was late and didn't care. I'm a fair man. Just add Denver-6 win to your record and let's keep this thing moving. Now from now on just play you games whenever you want to. Now what could be better than that?

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 03:22 PM

No robbery in a fair exchange. Now you give a little and so do I. Now get back to work.

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 03:23 PM

my denver pick wasn't posted before tipoff so im not counting it funny how u will give me a win to make me 8-3 but u wont take away your under as u should be 9-7

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 03:29 PM

ck im not trying to be an a## so if you think im doing this just to be one your wrong and honestly i don't care if i lose as long as we play by the rules in my opinion we are both good cappers all im asking for is for this challenge to be played like we both agreed on that's all and all games have to be in before the first tipoff of the nite and the weekends we have 2 deadlines 1 pm for the games starting before 6 and the usual time for the games at 7 and later and we play between 25-30 plays those were the rules

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 03:57 PM

I only have one more pick anyway, so this is all moot.

losturmarbles · 04-24-09, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by cocknocker

I only have one more pick anyway, so this is all moot.

you can't change the rules in the middle of the contest and expect to preserve the integrity of the contest.

its bad form. and your responses have been less than honorable. only 2 courses of action are either a correction of the rule breaking by voiding the play or a discontinue of the contest due to the breach of the rules.

your disregard and indifference of the matter is baffling.

btw, why are all your posts in bold??????

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 04:55 PM

if that play isn't corrected before the first tipoff tonight contest is officially over cause im not going to make any picks for the challenge and there is like 2-3 plays i like tonight and i did post one of my picks in the other thread i just dont know what the big deal is rules are rules and it is nice to see some of these posters on my side as ck is like a god around here

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 05:03 PM

The Denver-6 stands and so does the Utah under play. Now let's move on. Everything is even steven. If he decides to bow out, then he is taking the same stance as BigMoney did in our bout, then so be it. The play stands with the concession that gave him. jg is getting too gestapo for me at this point. My offering is as far as I'll go because my way has concessions on both sides whereas jg's does not. jg needs to take the offering and move on. I had much worse things happen in a contest and still came out on top and finished as well.

My words are in bold because they are

shoebox · 04-24-09, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by jgbgsox

if that play isn't corrected before the first tipoff tonight contest is officially over cause im not going to make any picks for the challenge and there is like 2-3 plays i like tonight and i did post one of my picks in the other thread i just dont know what the big deal is rules are rules and it is nice to see some of these posters on my side as ck is like a god around here

Agree here rules are rules ck, even if they are bad ones. Under should not have counted

GL tonite the both of you

OTown · 04-24-09, 05:06 PM

If Ck was willing to gave the Denver win to jgbgsox that he didn't really post than why not just take your under away than it would be the same thing. I would like to see this competition going CK so just gave the guy your total under away and he won't count his Denver win. Let's get this thing going here....

BCaldwell32 · 04-24-09, 05:13 PM

Wow this is like listening to 2 kindergardeners argue over a toy or something!! Why don't you guys just forget about the stupid contest if it has come down to this.

cocknocker · 04-24-09, 05:21 PM

Here's how I know what I know. If the shoe had been on the other foot and jg had made te mistake of playing a game after 4:00pm, not only would I have let it slide, but I would have let him keep the play on his record just like I did with my last two combatants Big and Night. This was seen by everyone. I let two plays count that should not have counted and that was fine by me. So when i say that both plays count and then let's move on and never let it happen again, I mean that. It's not as if I didn't give a concession win for the opponent. But for him to take the stance of he will leave if he doesn't get his way is delivering an ultimatum,and that's not gonna cut it with me. The two plays count/ let's move on. This is getting childish now. If jg wants to leave then so be it. If jg wants to continue on so be it as well. makes no difference to me

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 05:21 PM

otown because im a guy that is going to play by the rules and thats the bottom line i dont need anything given to me that wasn't in the rules i didnt post denver because it was too late the first game had tipped so no i didnt play it my standing is 7-3 why is he willing to give me a win but he isnt going to take away his under play when it was clearly after the first tipoff the correct standings is ck 9-7 and jg 7-3 either we take it from what the standings should be rthe match is over im not giving ck that win as it was posted before 1st tipoff i think ck is afraid he is going to lose this match that's why he wants that play but rules are rules and THAT PLAY DOESNT COUNT so ck has less then an hour if he wants to continue this match let me know but your record is 9-7 people are jumping down my throat and i was the one playing by the rules lol oh well gotta love some of these posters and bcaldwell i will forget about this contest tonight if he doesnt agree to his 9-7 record he is the one always bragging he can;t be beat well i think he met his match and is chickening out

jgbgsox · 04-24-09, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by cocknocker

Here's how I know what I know. If the shoe had been on the other foot and jg had made te mistake of playing a game after 4:00pm, not only would I have let it slide, but I would have let him keep the play on his record just like I did with my last two combatants Big and Night. This was seen by everyone. I let two plays count that should not have counted and that was fine by me. So when i say that both plays count and then let's move on and never let it happen again, I mean that. It's not as if I didn't give a concession win for the opponent. But for him to take the stance of he will leave if he doesn't get his way is delivering an ultimatum,and that's not gonna cut it with me. The two plays count/ let's move on. This is getting childish now. If jg wants to leave then so be it. If jg wants to continue on so be it as well. makes no difference to me

ok u admitted your mistake now take away that win and the match will continue im ready to defeat the people's champ fair and square and i will be the only one left underfeated and u will have to enter a 64 man challenge to get another chance of defeating me