Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

winner 9.80

think the drop and even her secondary numbers were pretty good in here

think the circumstances were interesting here..ran a 3+
career top in her last race..the race was a tough claiming
crown race with a purse of $110k and she finished 4th by less than 2 lengths 26 days prior.. regularly hits between 5 and 6 at a mile which is excellent in this field (everything here is relative to running a 1 turn mile)..so being able to run that 3+ vs much better and then having multiple solid
secondary numbers at this distance and level should have
made her not an auto throw out under these circumstances..but would you agree in general a horse at that age running a career top is likely to regress in his/her next start ? also important she's raced about 60 times from beginning of her 4yo season and more than likely raced at 3

[str]

think the circumstances were interesting here..ran a 3+
career top in her last race..the race was a tough claiming
crown race with a purse of $110k and she finished 4th by less than 2 lengths 26 days prior.. regularly hits between 5 and 6 at a mile which is excellent in this field (everything here is relative to running a 1 turn mile)..so being able to run that 3+ vs much better and then having multiple solid
secondary numbers at this distance and level should have
made her not an auto throw out under these circumstances..but would you agree in general a horse at that age running a career top is likely to regress in his/her next start ? also important she's raced about 60 times from beginning of her 4yo season and more than likely raced at 3

Q .but would you agree in general a horse at that age running a career top is likely to regress in his/her next start ?

A. No, not necessarily. That is the main thing with numbers that I do not agree with. Too me, it is all about HOW the horse did what it did last time and this time.
By that I mean, did she have a perfect trip to a hot pace, on a super fast track day, when maybe speeds went head and head and she had a clean right eye/uninhibited type trip where she could relax and go without worry around her? That I don't know, but replays or notes from seeing it live would have told me. And numbers don't take that into consideration if I'm not mistaken.
I have had horses run super fast best numbers with easy trips and repeat or improve and I have had them run the same way with a difficult type trip and regress. The same holds true for bounce type numbers. Was it a bounce or was it the trip, bias, class, surface, whatever.

I know there are ways to fully see and understand this but there is just not enough time in a day to do it for multiple tracks.
While a respect the effort of the numbers and theories within them, they can be cracked with a lot of observance. But man is it a commitment.
So I guess you have to play the %'s and play against as a whole which might work in the long run. You would know that better than I . But because I had total focus at one track and knew what the surface was going to be like before the 1st race 90% of the time, and how each horse was supposed to look warming up, and all the little things, I learned to look completely ignore them.

When I was sure that a horse was not bouncing after a certain race and I would hear many declare that indeed the horse DID bounce, because they had no other rational reason, it would bother me , I suppose, mainly because Andy was so damn smug (always) with his bounce rationale which was truly accurate about 20-25% of the time IMO.
Whew. I feel like I just had a session with a therapist . I feel much better now. Lol.
Hope that helps some and does not confuse things JBEX.

[JBEX]

Q .but would you agree in general a horse at that age running a career top is likely to regress in his/her next start ?

A. No, not necessarily. That is the main thing with numbers that I do not agree with. Too me, it is all about HOW the horse did what it did last time and this time.
By that I mean, did she have a perfect trip to a hot pace, on a super fast track day, when maybe speeds went head and head and she had a clean right eye/uninhibited type trip where she could relax and go without worry around her? That I don't know, but replays or notes from seeing it live would have told me. And numbers don't take that into consideration if I'm not mistaken.
I have had horses run super fast best numbers with easy trips and repeat or improve and I have had them run the same way with a difficult type trip and regress. The same holds true for bounce type numbers. Was it a bounce or was it the trip, bias, class, surface, whatever.

I know there are ways to fully see and understand this but there is just not enough time in a day to do it for multiple tracks.
While a respect the effort of the numbers and theories within them, they can be cracked with a lot of observance. But man is it a commitment.
So I guess you have to play the %'s and play against as a whole which might work in the long run. You would know that better than I . But because I had total focus at one track and knew what the surface was going to be like before the 1st race 90% of the time, and how each horse was supposed to look warming up, and all the little things, I learned to look completely ignore them.

When I was sure that a horse was not bouncing after a certain race and I would hear many declare that indeed the horse DID bounce, because they had no other rational reason, it would bother me , I suppose, mainly because Andy was so damn smug (always) with his bounce rationale which was truly accurate about 20-25% of the time IMO.
Whew. I feel like I just had a session with a therapist . I feel much better now. Lol.
Hope that helps some and does not confuse things JBEX.

makes sense that how she ran it could come into play (trip, bias).. if it was a perfect or favorable scenario it might not have taken much out of her even at her advanced age and high mileage.. also feel as I said, her regression figures were good enough to get it done vs this group.. still feel it's pretty unusual for this type of thing to happen with a horse of that age and number of starts..don't often get a chance to see a horses career 4 years back like with the sheets so maybe it happens more often then I think.. thanks str

[JBEX]

OK str.. add this to my tab lol

if you polled trainers in the mid 70's about who they thought were the 5 best claiming trainers of that time who do you think would be the 2 or 3 sure things and maybe the next 4 or 5 contenders?? guessing bobby frankel would be one of them?

[JBEX]

OK str.. add this to my tab lol

if you polled trainers in the mid 70's about who they thought were the 5 best claiming trainers of that time who do you think would be the 2 or 3 sure things and maybe the next 4 or 5 contenders?? guessing bobby frankel would be one of them?

as i've probably mentioned on here before the first full year I was really interested in this game was 1978 and the landmark of course affirmed alydar..I was 15 then so mid 70's a little before my time..remember standing around a smokey otb (from ny) and then gathering around the speaker to hear marshall cassidy call the race..maybe had a 2 win on the g and a 1 ex box dg lol (they used letters back then)..russ harris of the daily news was who i followed in my pre handicapping days..had to have someone put the bets in for me as I wasn't 18..so I missed bobby f as a claiming trainer I think but could be wrong about that..other names that stick out woody stephens,frankalexander,schosberg,schulh offer,jerkens,oscar barrera and guessing dutrow was there also by then..sure I forgot a few but that covers a lot of them..oscar was a crook and was caught cheating if I remember correctly..besides richard dutrow none of the others stick out as big claiming trainers..realize you're a maryland guy but were any of these or others on the ny circuit from that era that might make it into the top 5 in your opinion ?

[str]

as i've probably mentioned on here before the first full year I was really interested in this game was 1978 and the landmark of course affirmed alydar..I was 15 then so mid 70's a little before my time..remember standing around a smokey otb (from ny) and then gathering around the speaker to hear marshall cassidy call the race..maybe had a 2 win on the g and a 1 ex box dg lol (they used letters back then)..russ harris of the daily news was who i followed in my pre handicapping days..had to have someone put the bets in for me as I wasn't 18..so I missed bobby f as a claiming trainer I think but could be wrong about that..other names that stick out woody stephens,frankalexander,schosberg,schulh offer,jerkens,oscar barrera and guessing dutrow was there also by then..sure I forgot a few but that covers a lot of them..oscar was a crook and was caught cheating if I remember correctly..besides richard dutrow none of the others stick out as big claiming trainers..realize you're a maryland guy but were any of these or others on the ny circuit from that era that might make it into the top 5 in your opinion ?

Other than Oscar Barrera the other trainers mentioned were not big claiming trainers. They had stakes and allowance horses mainly.
So from a pure claiming aspect, Maryland was the leader in that , at least in my eyes. Monmouth and Meadowlands claimed plenty but not as much as Md. Same with Philly Park. Just should not comment on Calif. racing because I just did not know it well enough.
So No question King Leatherbury and Dickie Dutrow would be 2 of them. Frankel had moved to Calif. I think and was getting much nicer stock by them I think. Bud Delp was phasing out of claiming so much after Bid I think. Sorry but the exact years all run together.
Bobby Debonis was claiming in NY alot I think and John Forbes was doing so then in NJ I think.
But Md. too me had the most competitive claiming game in the USA. A lot of heavy hitters and some really fine horsemen in Md. You had to be to even try to stay with the big 3.

[JBEX]

Other than Oscar Barrera the other trainers mentioned were not big claiming trainers. They had stakes and allowance horses mainly.
So from a pure claiming aspect, Maryland was the leader in that , at least in my eyes. Monmouth and Meadowlands claimed plenty but not as much as Md. Same with Philly Park. Just should not comment on Calif. racing because I just did not know it well enough.
So No question King Leatherbury and Dickie Dutrow would be 2 of them. Frankel had moved to Calif. I think and was getting much nicer stock by them I think. Bud Delp was phasing out of claiming so much after Bid I think. Sorry but the exact years all run together.
Bobby Debonis was claiming in NY alot I think and John Forbes was doing so then in NJ I think.
But Md. too me had the most competitive claiming game in the USA. A lot of heavy hitters and some really fine horsemen in Md. You had to be to even try to stay with the big 3.

yeah I can see maryland was a more competitive claiming circuit than up north.. maybe the 70's was a void for dominant claiming trainers up north.. buddy jacobson was in the 60's and gasper moschera was very good 80's - 90's..even if you included oscar he would be more of an 80's guy I believe.. I guess buddy delp getting out of the claiming game after bid and your mentor going up to ny had to help you a bit.. bob debonis another familiar name and thought of frank martin after I already posted ..thanks str
and happy new year !!

[JBEX]

hey str..

a horse I think you'd really appreciate is aqu R5 #5 miss marion (5-1).. (555)...not a handicaing question but just a newly turned 7yo mare who is bred owned and trained by same family, lightly raced and who didn't get started till very late as a 5yo.. looks like she skipped a condition at finger lakes and beat 20k open claimers at aqueduct last out.. now trying for the big bucks vs sb alw downstate.. does a lightly raced older mare hold the same appeal as a gelding of the same age ?? if you can't look no problem ...hny

[str]

hey str..

a horse I think you'd really appreciate is aqu R5 #5 miss marion (5-1).. (555)...not a handicaing question but just a newly turned 7yo mare who is bred owned and trained by same family, lightly raced and who didn't get started till very late as a 5yo.. looks like she skipped a condition at finger lakes and beat 20k open claimers at aqueduct last out.. now trying for the big bucks vs sb alw downstate.. does a lightly raced older mare hold the same appeal as a gelding of the same age ?? if you can't look no problem ...hny

'I do not have a form but is the race an "a other than" for F and M NY breds?

If so, winning for open 20k ( not beaten but wide open) and running back in a state bred "a" other than was like dropping back in the day. I suppose with the big NY bred purses it is not quite that drastic anymore but still, it sounds like she fits very well there without seeing the form.

[JBEX]

'I do not have a form but is the race an "a other than" for F and M NY breds?

If so, winning for open 20k ( not beaten but wide open) and running back in a state bred "a" other than was like dropping back in the day. I suppose with the big NY bred purses it is not quite that drastic anymore but still, it sounds like she fits very well there without seeing the form.

it's a fm nyb n1x ot alw.... she got through this condition at finger lakes and purse there is $19k..the condition here allows horses who did that to race downstate vs these at the same level.. purse here $64k.. 15-20 years ago as you said a huge drop...now about a parallel move

[str]

it's a fm nyb n1x ot alw.... she got through this condition at finger lakes and purse there is $19k..the condition here allows horses who did that to race downstate vs these at the same level.. purse here $64k.. 15-20 years ago as you said a huge drop...now about a parallel move

Makes sense. She did win for 20k so a parallel move makes her tough in here I would imagine.

Always liked older mares coming in off a win.

[JBEX]

Makes sense. She did win for 20k so a parallel move makes her tough in here I would imagine.

Always liked older mares coming in off a win.

racing at finger lakes 11-5-2-3 for $67k..the purse only a few thousand less than her career earnings so be a beautiful win for the connections..by a ny sire "patriot act" (2500).. like to see a horse like this win.. her last was on a sloppy track and it says it's muddy today so that can't hurt either

[str]

racing at finger lakes 11-5-2-3 for $67k..the purse only a few thousand less than her career earnings so be a beautiful win for the connections..by a ny sire "patriot act" (2500).. like to see a horse like this win.. her last was on a sloppy track and it says it's muddy today so that can't hurt either

Tried to look but I can't seem to get the website to pull it up.

Anyway, unless a horse in the race was much more talented, she sounds like a solid play today.

Always tries hard, off a win, off track she likes, not over her head. Can't ask for much more than that.

Is she the favorite? 5-1 sounds like a gift .

[JBEX]

Tried to look but I can't seem to get the website to pull it up.

Anyway, unless a horse in the race was much more talented, she sounds like a solid play today.

Always tries hard, off a win, off track she likes, not over her head. Can't ask for much more than that.

Is she the favorite? 5-1 sounds like a gift .

yes 5-1 ml..

other interesting things

trainer englehart 23-26% over huge sample in sprints, allowance, winner last race.. sample size avgs around 700 and goes back 3 years (overlaps of course)

junior alvarado who wo aboard her last out goes to ride for linda rice and the regular finger lakes pilot rides today.. junior rode linda's horse before but not in her last race..of course she's a top trainer in ny.. the finger lakes rider was solid up there and has been riding here very recently (14 races).. the 6/5 favorite has the rail which is horrible at aqueduct at sprint distances

[str]

yes 5-1 ml..

other interesting things

trainer englehart 23-26% over huge sample in sprints, allowance, winner last race.. sample size avgs around 700 and goes back 3 years (overlaps of course)

junior alvarado who wo aboard her last out goes to ride for linda rice and the regular finger lakes pilot rides today.. junior rode linda's horse before but not in her last race..of course she's a top trainer in ny.. the finger lakes rider was solid up there and has been riding here very recently (14 races).. the 6/5 favorite has the rail which is horrible at aqueduct at sprint distances

Sounds like the rider had a commitment to ride on rice's horse and is committed to ride. They can't always pick and choose.

[JBEX]

Sounds like the rider had a commitment to ride on rice's horse and is committed to ride. They can't always pick and choose.

yes I didn't look at it as a big negative overall..ours is returning in 11 days and is a real gamer..close to the front and knocks heads with the others.. looks solid on paper imo.. pilot is an o-fer so far down here so be a nice first win (unless it's happened in the past few days and hasn't made it into the form yet)

[JBEX]

yes I didn't look at it as a big negative overall..ours is returning in 11 days and is a real gamer..close to the front and knocks heads with the others.. looks solid on paper imo.. pilot is an o-fer so far down here so be a nice first win (unless it's happened in the past few days and hasn't made it into the form yet)

going 7f today vs 6 last out

[str]

going 7f today vs 6 last out

I saw this race.

She obviously had something she very much disliked early on. The spray back of a heavy track probably but it was for sure something. She was jumping up and down and getting out down the backside . Could have been anything but it really bothered her. This type of thing is a great excuse to drop her next time as many will not notice.
She leveled off about the 5 /16ths pole but was easily a dozen back or more, went very wide into the stretch and ended up 4th well beaten.
Keep an eye on her next start.
No way this race was indicative of her ability.

[JBEX]

I saw this race.

She obviously had something she very much disliked early on. The spray back of a heavy track probably but it was for sure something. She was jumping up and down and getting out down the backside . Could have been anything but it really bothered her. This type of thing is a great excuse to drop her next time as many will not notice.
She leveled off about the 5 /16ths pole but was easily a dozen back or more, went very wide into the stretch and ended up 4th well beaten.
Keep an eye on her next start.
No way this race was indicative of her ability.

she did seem uncomfortable in the backstretch to me.. her head a little high, climbing ?? she did win in the slop last out but I guess that some might take to slop but not mud? could be any of a number of things i suppose.. I definitely will look for her next out.. I'll let you know when she runs

[str]

she did seem uncomfortable in the backstretch to me.. her head a little high, climbing ?? she did win in the slop last out but I guess that some might take to slop but not mud? could be any of a number of things i suppose.. I definitely will look for her next out.. I'll let you know when she runs

Getting out badly as well.

Really unhappy with something and she is a gamer.

When you see that from someone like her, it's real.

[JBEX]

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/231362/david-jacobson-retires-from-training

thought you'd find this interesting..jacobson is getting out of training..gives reasons but they're vague..probably something you would understand

[str]

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...-from-training


thought you'd find this interesting..jacobson is getting out of training..gives reasons but they're vague..probably something you would understand

I waited a couple of days to see if something else came out but didn't hear anything. I do know that NY racing has been extremely costly for trainers. Much more so than other jurisdictions. So much so that I have heard several successful trainers want out of there.
Yeah, the purses are great but many people do not realize the true bottom line cost wise. I know for sure that the workmans comp is outrageous in NY. When you charge 100 or more dollars a day and still dig into your 10% earnings share, you know something isn't right.

He should have success as an owner. He fully understands the game. That will allow for many a solid decision along the way.
I never knew him and honestly, didn't always appreciate some of the things I saw him do or were reported to me by some of his owners. Can't say he was my kind of guy but do understand the bottom line. And sure do know about the commitment and hours sacrificed everyday at your loved ones expense.
It's a tough business JBEX.

[JBEX]

I waited a couple of days to see if something else came out but didn't hear anything. I do know that NY racing has been extremely costly for trainers. Much more so than other jurisdictions. So much so that I have heard several successful trainers want out of there.
Yeah, the purses are great but many people do not realize the true bottom line cost wise. I know for sure that the workmans comp is outrageous in NY. When you charge 100 or more dollars a day and still dig into your 10% earnings share, you know something isn't right.

He should have success as an owner. He fully understands the game. That will allow for many a solid decision along the way.
I never knew him and honestly, didn't always appreciate some of the things I saw him do or were reported to me by some of his owners. Can't say he was my kind of guy but do understand the bottom line. And sure do know about the commitment and hours sacrificed everyday at your loved ones expense.
It's a tough business JBEX.

seems to me based on what I read in an old article from 1964 about his dad (major publication but forget which one) and what I've heard about david is that they were too business oriented and less concerned about the care of their horses.. guessing if you talked to their detractors that's what they'd probably say

the other point of expenses being so high in ny (especially wc) obviously plays into it.. if you can't make a decent dollar why continue doing it especially with the hard work and long hours required..makes sense to me that he'll be a very successful owner..guessing he'll be collaborating a lot with whomever he chooses to train his horses

[JBEX]

there's an excellent article about him written by david grening from Feb 2014 ..his biggest year was 2013 so this was around his highest point since his comeback in 2007..I won't put the link up but if your interested Google
"thoro-graph hay oats and water" (sarcasm lol)...it's posted in their forum and think you'd find it a good read..they even mention our old friend "el oH el" in there..I first asked you about him in fall of 2013 so this was written a little after that

[JBEX]

hey str


general question...R1 tampa today pletcher has a $325k 4yo going at gulfstream..horse debuted at tampa last month vs msw... finished 4th by 6 with kind of running line I like for a stretch out (gradual fade vs better) msw tampa significantly better than mcl 12.5k at gulf.. owners are long time participants at a high level in this game.. while obviously a dissapointment you think with these
high level connections this horse more likely to be live than with avg to below avg trainer/owner tandem ??

[str]

hey str


general question...R1 tampa today pletcher has a $325k 4yo going at gulfstream..horse debuted at tampa last month vs msw... finished 4th by 6 with kind of running line I like for a stretch out (gradual fade vs better) msw tampa significantly better than mcl 12.5k at gulf.. owners are long time participants at a high level in this game.. while obviously a dissapointment you think with these
high level connections this horse more likely to be live than with avg to below avg trainer/owner tandem ??

When most of the trainers that regularly pay 6 figures for yearlings drop them like this, it is , in most cases, actually a 25k maiden running for 12.5. Pletcher needs the stall. He wants to win and have the horse claimed. He does not want to run for maiden 40, then 30, then 20 etc.
While a claiming trainer would manage the horse differently typically, Todd is not a guy to run for a tag very often unless something has changed that I am unaware of. Win, lose him, move on and fill the stall with the next 6 figure horse. His game is like most with plenty of hopefully elite horses. That is almost always the objective.
How did the horse do?

[Easy-Rider 66]

When most of the trainers that regularly pay 6 figures for yearlings drop them like this, it is , in most cases, actually a 25k maiden running for 12.5. Pletcher needs the stall. He wants to win and have the horse claimed. He does not want to run for maiden 40, then 30, then 20 etc.
While a claiming trainer would manage the horse differently typically, Todd is not a guy to run for a tag very often unless something has changed that I am unaware of. Win, lose him, move on and fill the stall with the next 6 figure horse. His game is like most with plenty of hopefully elite horses. That is almost always the objective.
How did the horse do?

The horse in question placed. Ran a good race beaten by a 2/1 shot.

[JBEX]

" R1 tampa today pletcher has a $325k 4yo going at gulfstream " lol I'm losing it

as easy said a good 2nd.. battled back from the rail when confronted and lost by a head.. think pace was a little soft and he was on the front the whole way..gonna check if he was claimed

[JBEX]

" R1 tampa today pletcher has a $325k 4yo going at gulfstream " lol I'm losing it

as easy said a good 2nd.. battled back from the rail when confronted and lost by a head.. think pace was a little soft and he was on the front the whole way..gonna check if he was claimed

no claim shown in chart (believe they show them there).. comment ..ranged outside (mine) at the 6f mark and prevailed in a stretch-long dispute.. fractions 23.4/47.1/112:3 (fifths) so not necessarily slow for that level

[JBEX]

When most of the trainers that regularly pay 6 figures for yearlings drop them like this, it is , in most cases, actually a 25k maiden running for 12.5. Pletcher needs the stall. He wants to win and have the horse claimed. He does not want to run for maiden 40, then 30, then 20 etc.
While a claiming trainer would manage the horse differently typically, Todd is not a guy to run for a tag very often unless something has changed that I am unaware of. Win, lose him, move on and fill the stall with the next 6 figure horse. His game is like most with plenty of hopefully elite horses. That is almost always the objective.
How did the horse do?

sorry for the multiple posts.. so this oftentimes a good opportunity to pick something up for a bargain.. pretty sure I've seen rudy and linda rice do this on more than 1 occasion and do very well with the claims.. guess it's not an automatic and there's other considerations whether the horse is worth putting in a claim for

[str]

sorry for the multiple posts.. so this oftentimes a good opportunity to pick something up for a bargain.. pretty sure I've seen rudy and linda rice do this on more than 1 occasion and do very well with the claims.. guess it's not an automatic and there's other considerations whether the horse is worth putting in a claim for

Thanks Easy !

Yes, it typically is a nice opportunity to pick up a horse that might or might not have manageable problems or better yet, just a case of the slows or a breathing problem or things you see everyday.
He will probably have offers waiting for him today to buy privately from trainers. The only question is does he want the win for the trainers standings or does he just want to move on.
Typical initial sale offer would be 12.5 but if Todd rejects that, and he should, the true price should be 12.5 and 1/2 way between the purse of 1st and 2nd. So about 40% of the pot of that 12.5k race. That is a fair number for all parties typically. Maybe a bit more if they beat the field by a lot and it's a no brainer that the horse will win at that level or maybe for 16 or 20k. At that point it depends on soundness and exactly what the problem, if any, is.

[JBEX]

Thanks Easy !

Yes, it typically is a nice opportunity to pick up a horse that might or might not have manageable problems or better yet, just a case of the slows or a breathing problem or things you see everyday.
He will probably have offers waiting for him today to buy privately from trainers. The only question is does he want the win for the trainers standings or does he just want to move on.
Typical initial sale offer would be 12.5 but if Todd rejects that, and he should, the true price should be 12.5 and 1/2 way between the purse of 1st and 2nd. So about 40% of the pot of that 12.5k race. That is a fair number for all parties typically. Maybe a bit more if they beat the field by a lot and it's a no brainer that the horse will win at that level or maybe for 16 or 20k. At that point it depends on soundness and exactly what the problem, if any, is.

they do have clm 6250 n2 and n3l at GP so there are places to run if (probably when) he does break his maiden.. as you said good chance todd won't be the trainer next outing.. also would be a decent horse for gulfstream west where the level of competition drops off a bit if they want to give him a rest..but if he comes out of the race in good shape someone's gonna run him sooner than that

[JBEX]

they do have clm 6250 n2 and n3l at GP so there are places to run if (probably when) he does break his maiden.. as you said good chance todd won't be the trainer next outing.. also would be a decent horse for gulfstream west where the level of competition drops off a bit if they want to give him a rest..but if he comes out of the race in good shape someone's gonna run him sooner than that

purse of that race is $21k and a clm 6250n2l is $18k..nice money for that low a tag

[str]

they do have clm 6250 n2 and n3l at GP so there are places to run if (probably when) he does break his maiden.. as you said good chance todd won't be the trainer next outing.. also would be a decent horse for gulfstream west where the level of competition drops off a bit if they want to give him a rest..but if he comes out of the race in good shape someone's gonna run him sooner than that

Sounds like that 12.5 race yesterday has a chance to become a "key" race. Keep an eye on the 3,4,5,6 finishing horses next out .

Yes, what the horse needs is a lesser venue where NW of 2,3,4 exist everyday. This horse would probably make 35k at Charlestown.
MSW, nw 2 allow. if possible or nw2 10k , and if nothing else, nw3 10k and nw4 7.5k or 5k. Then, if he can't compete you give him away as a jumper or show horse. Probably a big, good looking horse to pay that much for him. Those are very easy to find great homes for.
I make it sound easy don't I? Lol. It isn't, but...if you want to make money, this is how you can try and do it. I had a lot of these types . Just wish the CT purses were near what they are now back then.

[str]

purse of that race is $21k and a clm 6250n2l is $18k..nice money for that low a tag

That works as well.