Social Inclusion will beat California Chrome in Preakness

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  • Swift Thinking
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    • 03-28-14
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    #1
    Social Inclusion will beat California Chrome in Preakness
    He will either beat him outright or he will run Chrome into the ground. I don't see a triple crown winner . Social will be fresh and has the early speed and shorter distance to cause to many problems
  • Easy-Rider 66
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    #2
    Does Inclusion want the 1 3/16. Or will he fade late. Don't sell CC short. He has that deadly tactical speed. Also Inclusion was recently scratched for his next scheduled start. Rooting for CC to win the Preakness. Then will try to beat him in the Belmont.
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    • Swift Thinking
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      #3
      Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
      Does Inclusion want the 1 3/16. Or will he fade late. Don't sell CC short. He has that deadly tactical speed. Also Inclusion was recently scratched for his next scheduled start. Rooting for CC to win the Preakness. Then will try to beat him in the Belmont.

      He was scratched yesterday but all signs point to Preakness .Hoppurntity as well both had bruises. I do see Chrome with tactical speed but Social speed is different than any of the horses Chrome faced in the derby. Chrome is going to have to apply some pressure early . I think Social Inclusion is just as talented as Chrome just didnt have the racing experience nor points to get to Derby. This race sets up perfect for him to steal on the front
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      • mikemca
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        • 03-10-10
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        #4
        Social Inclusion, who missed getting into the Kentucky Derby on points after finishing third in the Wood Memorial, was scratched out of Saturday’s $75,000 Sir Bear at Gulfstream Park with what owner Ron Sanchez said was a bruised right hoof.
        Sanchez said the colt -- who won his first two races at Gulfstream by a combined 17 1/2 lengths before finishing a nose out of second in the Wood -- was doing well and he expected Social Inclusion to still make the May 17 Preakness Stakes in Baltimore.
        "We had to scratch because he bruised his hoof this morning," Sanchez told Gulfstream Park’s publicity department. "He's OK, he's going good and it's nothing serious, and this thing will heal in two days. But we didn't want to take a chance running today with the big race just two weeks away. We always have to do the right thing by the horse. Right now, we've arranged to go to the Preakness on (Wednesday), but I think now we'll probably just go (Thursday)."
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        • mikemca
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          • 03-10-10
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          #5
          I like him too but the scratch is concerning
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          • str
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            • 01-12-09
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            #6
            When is the last time you bruised your foot and it was fine in 2 days. Horses are no different, just heavier . The BS meter is lighting red.

            Yes, it will only take 3-5 days to be able to train properly but... you typically can't work for at least a week and that race yesterday was basically a work to be ok for the Preakness. That means he misses a full week of training at a key time. So let's follow this closely. This horse in my eyes ran lights out in the Wood and simply ran out of lung capacity. That would make sense with the ease he won his 1st two races .

            Where I would really think he had a big chance to win before, the scratch is HUGE and we will need to watch and see what takes shape in the next 2 weeks.
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            • Swift Thinking
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              • 03-28-14
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              #7
              Originally posted by mikemca
              I like him too but the scratch is concerning
              think it was a planned scratched . He wasn't going to run the horse in two weeks for Preakness for a 75k stakes race . They have had the Preakness planned all along . I'm hoping for 7/2 on Social Inclusion
              Horse been flying around the track on workouts as well.
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              • chaka
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                • 12-29-09
                • 437

                #8
                yeah 34.41 is one of the fastest 3f and 4f 45 3/5 ive ever seen in my short horse following period
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                • BGboothA
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                  • 08-07-08
                  • 4202

                  #9
                  Its going to come down to who enters the race with them. Fact is Hoppertunity needs a solid pace to run after if he wants to be close to CC, Social Inclusion's only hope is to be the lone speed of the race, and force CC to challenge him from the beginning.
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                  • Slimpickens
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                    • 10-28-12
                    • 2030

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BGboothA
                    Its going to come down to who enters the race with them. Fact is Hoppertunity needs a solid pace to run after if he wants to be close to CC, Social Inclusion's only hope is to be the lone speed of the race, and force CC to challenge him from the beginning.

                    Hoppertunity is off the triple crown trail. As to the title of the post I agree. have been saying the same thing for weeks. He clearly has the best chance to upset CC who will be odds on in the preakness. Kid Kruz could be an off the pace threat but has never faced the quality of horse that he will see in the Preakness.
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                    • Slimpickens
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                      • 10-28-12
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Swift Thinking
                      think it was a planned scratched . He wasn't going to run the horse in two weeks for Preakness for a 75k stakes race . They have had the Preakness planned all along . I'm hoping for 7/2 on Social Inclusion
                      Horse been flying around the track on workouts as well.

                      Social Inclusion is 14-1 at an offshore Sportsbook to win the Preakness right now. Im hoping to get confirmation that he will run 1st.
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                      • BGboothA
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                        #12
                        Looks like Pablo De Monte will enter the Preakness, so there is some solid pace along with Social Inclusion. Which IMO will put some more test on CC to either choose to stay with them or let them go and try to rate further back.
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                        • trytrytry
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                          • 03-13-06
                          • 23649

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Slimpickens
                          Social Inclusion is 14-1 at an offshore Sportsbook to win the Preakness right now. Im hoping to get confirmation that he will run 1st.
                          for those wondering the book its the hollysportsbook family of books that have the 14-1...
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                          • trytrytry
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                            • 03-13-06
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                            #14
                            also just to add....u have a better chance of seeing God than seeing social inclusion beat California Chrome in the Preakness
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                            • Slimpickens
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by trytrytry
                              also just to add....u have a better chance of seeing God than seeing social inclusion beat California Chrome in the Preakness

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                              • Swift Thinking
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                                • 03-28-14
                                • 45

                                #16
                                Originally posted by trytrytry
                                also just to add....u have a better chance of seeing God than seeing social inclusion beat California Chrome in the Preakness

                                Im confident . Social is just as talented as chrome
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                                • Swift Thinking
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                                  • 03-28-14
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Slimpickens
                                  Social Inclusion is 14-1 at an offshore Sportsbook to win the Preakness right now. Im hoping to get confirmation that he will run 1st.

                                  thats a a huge value bet
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                                  • Easy-Rider 66
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                                    • 02-14-12
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                                    #18
                                    Social Inclusion is shipping Tomorrow by Van to Pimlico. According to his connections he has recovered from the bruised foot. Based on Str's post #6 would tread carefully with SI.
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                                    • Slimpickens
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                                      #19
                                      Im not too big on talking people out of betting on longshots they like. Seems pointless to me.
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                                      • nvrlose37
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                                        • 06-01-12
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                                        #20
                                        If Social Inclusion is alone on the lead then maybe but as someone said, if Pablo Del Monte or others are there, CC will have his way. Probably only would need to worry about Hoppertunity.
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                                        • trytrytry
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                                          • 03-13-06
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by nvrlose37
                                          If Social Inclusion is alone on the lead then maybe but as someone said, if Pablo Del Monte or others are there, CC will have his way. Probably only would need to worry about Hoppertunity.
                                          hoppertunity is now off triple crown trail
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                                          • Swift Thinking
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                                            • 03-28-14
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Slimpickens
                                            Im not too big on talking people out of betting on longshots they like. Seems pointless to me.

                                            No chance Social goes off at more than 6 to 1
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                                            • sandyw123
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                                              • 07-28-11
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                                              #23
                                              I'm no expert, but I'm having trouble seeing a horse that ran out of gas at 1 1/8th of a mile win at 1 3/16th. Maybe not a good distance for Social Inclusion. He is fast, but I'm only seeing 4 horses (others) in the race down the stretch. California Chrome at the top of the list. He's shown that he can win a fast paced race as well as a slower one. He did that in the Santa Anita Derby, finished in 1:47 seconds.
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                                              • BGboothA
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                                                #24
                                                Looking at the way the field is shaping up, I will likely be looking at SI not hitting the board. The pace is going to be strong, with Pablo and Bayern helping along the way. A horse that couldn't hold a tough pace in the Wood, isn't going to hold a tough pace while adding more distance.

                                                A couple of closers under CC will be my tri tickets and hope to score a better price.
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                                                • Slimpickens
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BGboothA
                                                  Looking at the way the field is shaping up, I will likely be looking at SI not hitting the board. The pace is going to be strong, with Pablo and Bayern helping along the way. A horse that couldn't hold a tough pace in the Wood, isn't going to hold a tough pace while adding more distance.

                                                  A couple of closers under CC will be my tri tickets and hope to score a better price.


                                                  This is almost like a class drop for Social Inclusion. Samaratt, Wicked Strong, the 1-2 finishers in the wood both ran relatively well in the Derby. Horses like Bayern and especially Pablo Del Monte are a cut below. Social Inclusion is clearly the second likliest winner but I have cooled on him a bit lately..

                                                  Im hoping Chrome wins the Preakness and loses to Tonalist in the Belmont, which is very likely IMO. Tonalist is the best 3 year old in the country right now.
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                                                  • harthebar
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                                                    • 12-09-11
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                                                    #26
                                                    ill tell you what, ride on curlin...will win one of the next two races..........take it to the bank.do not underestimate him in the preakness.he will be way closer this time, all these trainers are all playing mind games with each other, acting like he is going for the lead, just your basic chit chat,hype......ride on culin, can go right out there if he wants to, s.i. has a ton of speed, it will be a great race, remember the shackleford race....
                                                    Originally posted by Slimpickens
                                                    This is almost like a class drop for Social Inclusion. Samaratt, Wicked Strong, the 1-2 finishers in the wood both ran relatively well in the Derby. Horses like Bayern and especially Pablo Del Monte are a cut below. Social Inclusion is clearly the second likliest winner but I have cooled on him a bit lately..

                                                    Im hoping Chrome wins the Preakness and loses to Tonalist in the Belmont, which is very likely IMO. Tonalist is the best 3 year old in the country right now.
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                                                    • Slimpickens
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                                                      • 10-28-12
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by harthebar
                                                      ill tell you what, ride on curlin...will win one of the next two races..........take it to the bank.do not underestimate him in the preakness.he will be way closer this time, all these trainers are all playing mind games with each other, acting like he is going for the lead, just your basic chit chat,hype......ride on culin, can go right out there if he wants to, s.i. has a ton of speed, it will be a great race, remember the shackleford race....

                                                      Ride On Curlin might win his next start after the Preakness. It will likely be an overnight stake or an allowance race.
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                                                      • Easy-Rider 66
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Swift Thinking
                                                        No chance Social goes off at more than 6 to 1
                                                        Right now SI at about 7/1 offshore and at the Wynn in LV. Would think if everything looks good and he draws well will be considerably lower at post.
                                                        Last edited by Easy-Rider 66; 05-12-14, 04:57 PM.
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                                                        • mikemca
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                                                          #29
                                                          Forget the Preakness , the Black Eyed Susan looks like a gold mine if you can decipher it.
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                                                          • harthebar
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                                                            • 12-09-11
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                                                            #30
                                                            yes the belmont
                                                            Originally posted by Slimpickens
                                                            Ride On Curlin might win his next start after the Preakness. It will likely be an overnight stake or an allowance race.
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                                                            • harthebar
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                                                              • 12-09-11
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                                                              #31
                                                              what is the field mike, didnt see
                                                              Originally posted by mikemca
                                                              Forget the Preakness , the Black Eyed Susan looks like a gold mine if you can decipher it.
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                                                              • harthebar
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                                                                • 12-09-11
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                                                                #32
                                                                do you like anyone, a little bit ?is rosies horse running
                                                                Originally posted by mikemca
                                                                Forget the Preakness , the Black Eyed Susan looks like a gold mine if you can decipher it.
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                                                                • Slimpickens
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by harthebar
                                                                  yes the belmont

                                                                  Ride on Curlin would drown in Tonalist's piss if he were to take him on. Ride on Curlin is just an also ran. What has he ever done on the racetrack to warrant such high hopes for him?
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                                                                  • mikemca
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by harthebar
                                                                    do you like anyone, a little bit ?is rosies horse running

                                                                    Who Untapable?

                                                                    No she isn't running and that's probably why it is so wide open.Stopchargingmaria is the vulnerable 7-2 fave.

                                                                    Not sure who I will land on yet as there are quite a few that look live.

                                                                    Originally posted by Slimpickens


                                                                    Ride on Curlin would drown in Tonalist's piss if he were to take him on. Ride on Curlin is just an also ran. What has he ever done on the racetrack to warrant such high hopes for him?
                                                                    He always seems to look like he could have run a lot better.
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                                                                    • harthebar
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                                                                      • 12-09-11
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      he can ..run a lot better, just seems to be at a short end of the stick...he will have is day, and id much rather have rosario then mr.rail
                                                                      Originally posted by mikemca
                                                                      Who Untapable?

                                                                      No she isn't running and that's probably why it is so wide open.Stopchargingmaria is the vulnerable 7-2 fave.

                                                                      Not sure who I will land on yet as there are quite a few that look live.



                                                                      He always seems to look like he could have run a lot better.
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