what we really learned last night

[sandman0713]

nobody outside sec-homerland really cared about watching this boring game. first team in like 75 years it says to win a nc without winning your conference...lol. there are a few homers in here who go on and on about the sec and say really stupid stuff...like zsr saying many times this would be the highest rated nc game of the bcs era. i try to let it slide and not get caught up in fights with people who clearly have no clue about anything really...but you guys make it hard. take your fake ass nc back to bama and celebrate there, because it is clear nobody else really cares. only an lsu win, or a 3rd game in this series of snoozefests this season could have produced a true national champion that won't be debated by many...and sadly none of that is going to happen. you can slam people in this forum who speak out against it and try to justify it any way you want...nobody really cares. sorry to any good bama fans...if there are actually any in here. you guys are poorly represented in this forum by a few guys who can't even spell or string together any kind of posts that make sense.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...lowest_tv.html

[lyon804]

Do you want some cheese with that whine?


Look I will be the first to admit I expected LSU to win the game. Clearly, I was WRONG! But to ignore the dominance of the performance that Alabama put together is trivial and costly as a gambler or more importantly an adult with room temperature IQ.

To call it a "fake" NC is clearly irresponsible and to not see the true dominace of Alabama's performance is laughable.

You can say you don't care or nobody really cares outside of "sec-homerland" all you want but it comes off as sour grapes. The truth is nobody cares outside of Alabama fan's or SEC fans about the game and that is understandable. The same would have been true if Okla St would have played Oklahoma in a NC game. Nobody resepects that brand of NO defense football that is good for nothing but really selling tickets. Offense is for ticket sales for "luke warm" fan bases. DEFENSE wins the championships.


Alabama and LSU were the two best team's in the nation this year and were more deserving based on the current format.

To think that Okla St would have throw the ball 50 times against either defense last nite is laughable, as your coach suggested.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-01-09/mike-gundy-bcs-1-9/52474940/1

Stanford lined up and played power football and ran it right down Ok St throat and if not for a missed FG and or some seriously questionable coaching move to "play" for the FG when you are at the 25 yrd line with 50 seconds left and 3 timeouts agaisnt a team's defense that has forced 1 turnover all game and one punt against you is not smart coaching at best. I would have put the ball and the game Andrew Lucks hands rather than a redshirt Freshman kicker and would have won the game.


Point is if you could not stop Stanford's running game how in the hell could you have stopped Alabama or LSU from controlling the entire game on the ground and running the clock down?? Not to mention you can't just sick back in the pocket and scan the field against those defenses. Weeden would have been on his ass all nite long trying to throw down field. In the big 12 defenses play real soft and allow 10 yrd completions as a given. In the SEC they play on top of you and man to man and challange a 3 yrd pass. The base defense in the big 12 is the prevent defense in the SEC.

The SEC was 5-2 in the bowl games prior to last nite and if Georgia coach did not decide to go to a prevent defense agaisnt Mich St than it most likely would have been 6-1. The other loss was Vandy and they only stay in the SEC to collect their check.


The real truth is if Ok St would have gotten to the Championship game and won then you and other's from the BIG 12 would have "cared" and nobody else would have. No difference. Had you taken care of business and beaten Iowa St than you would have made it. The good thing really is you was spared. Had Ok st played last nite that would have set your program back 3-5 yrs. It would have been exposed as a fraud. Look at the set backs OKlahoma has gotten since their thrashings in the NC game??


This playoff or plus one system you and everybody wants was actually first proposed by the SEC commisioner and was shot down by the other conference commisioner's because they could envison more all SEC NC games. Now, true the SEC commisioner proposed it to help his conference since Auburn was left out in the cold actually going UNDEFEATED, unlike Ok St.... and Auburn thrashed Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl. Now after this year's result the other conference commisioner's want to "revisit" it..

Honestly I would love any playoff format and say bring it on. But, if things keep going as they are with the SEC than the system will actually hurt other teams from other conference's. As it is right now, if Ok St can manage to beat Oklahoma and "Iowa St" than they will have a shot to get to the NC.. The same Iowa St team that got their ass handed to them by Rutgers? Who the hell is Rutgers??

I love how other fan's from other conferences are pissed about the SEC and how they get the "benefit" of the doubt in rankings. What is funny though is I don't here anybody crying when an SEC team is left out of March Madness that has a pretty good team and good W/L record, but their RPI is weak. Nobody cares then. It's only football when people care. The SEC is not a dominant basketball conference like other's and everybody understand's that. Why do people have such a hard time understanding it when it comes to football??? Nobody is ever whining or crying about the SEC team's left out of the big tournament in March. It's always because "they don't play anybody" in the weak SEC in basketball. People accept that, but they don't accept that the SEC is king right now in college football. Alabama and LSU will remain strong for the forseeable future and you better bet Florida and Tenny will improve along with Georgia, Ark, and SC on the rise.

[sandman0713]

Do you want some cheese with that whine?


Look I will be the first to admit I expected LSU to win the game. Clearly, I was WRONG! But to ignore the dominance of the performance that Alabama put together is trivial and costly as a gambler or more importantly an adult with room temperature IQ.

To call it a "fake" NC is clearly irresponsible and to not see the true dominace of Alabama's performance is laughable.

You can say you don't care or nobody really cares outside of "sec-homerland" all you want but it comes off as sour grapes. The truth is nobody cares outside of Alabama fan's or SEC fans about the game and that is understandable. The same would have been true if Okla St would have played Oklahoma in a NC game. Nobody resepects that brand of NO defense football that is good for nothing but really selling tickets. Offense is for ticket sales for "luke warm" fan bases. DEFENSE wins the championships.


Alabama and LSU were the two best team's in the nation this year and were more deserving based on the current format.

To think that Okla St would have throw the ball 50 times against either defense last nite is laughable, as your coach suggested.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-01-09/mike-gundy-bcs-1-9/52474940/1

Stanford lined up and played power football and ran it right down Ok St throat and if not for a missed FG and or some seriously questionable coaching move to "play" for the FG when you are at the 25 yrd line with 50 seconds left and 3 timeouts agaisnt a team's defense that has forced 1 turnover all game and one punt against you is not smart coaching at best. I would have put the ball and the game Andrew Lucks hands rather than a redshirt Freshman kicker and would have won the game.


Point is if you could not stop Stanford's running game how in the hell could you have stopped Alabama or LSU from controlling the entire game on the ground and running the clock down?? Not to mention you can't just sick back in the pocket and scan the field against those defenses. Weeden would have been on his ass all nite long trying to throw down field. In the big 12 defenses play real soft and allow 10 yrd completions as a given. In the SEC they play on top of you and man to man and challange a 3 yrd pass. The base defense in the big 12 is the prevent defense in the SEC.

The SEC was 5-2 in the bowl games prior to last nite and if Georgia coach did not decide to go to a prevent defense agaisnt Mich St than it most likely would have been 6-1. The other loss was Vandy and they only stay in the SEC to collect their check.


The real truth is if Ok St would have gotten to the Championship game and won then you and other's from the BIG 12 would have "cared" and nobody else would have. No difference. Had you taken care of business and beaten Iowa St than you would have made it. The good thing really is you was spared. Had Ok st played last nite that would have set your program back 3-5 yrs. It would have been exposed as a fraud. Look at the set backs OKlahoma has gotten since their thrashings in the NC game??


This playoff or plus one system you and everybody wants was actually first proposed by the SEC commisioner and was shot down by the other conference commisioner's because they could envison more all SEC NC games. Now, true the SEC commisioner proposed it to help his conference since Auburn was left out in the cold actually going UNDEFEATED, unlike Ok St.... and Auburn thrashed Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl. Now after this year's result the other conference commisioner's want to "revisit" it..

Honestly I would love any playoff format and say bring it on. But, if things keep going as they are with the SEC than the system will actually hurt other teams from other conference's. As it is right now, if Ok St can manage to beat Oklahoma and "Iowa St" than they will have a shot to get to the NC.. The same Iowa St team that got their ass handed to them by Rutgers? Who the hell is Rutgers??

I love how other fan's from other conferences are pissed about the SEC and how they get the "benefit" of the doubt in rankings. What is funny though is I don't here anybody crying when an SEC team is left out of March Madness that has a pretty good team and good W/L record, but their RPI is weak. Nobody cares then. It's only football when people care. The SEC is not a dominant basketball conference like other's and everybody understand's that. Why do people have such a hard time understanding it when it comes to football??? Nobody is ever whining or crying about the SEC team's left out of the big tournament in March. It's always because "they don't play anybody" in the weak SEC in basketball. People accept that, but they don't accept that the SEC is king right now in college football. Alabama and LSU will remain strong for the forseeable future and you better bet Florida and Tenny will improve along with Georgia, Ark, and SC on the rise.

wtf is all that man? so many points in there are completely wrong...and most of it has nothing at all to do with what i actually posted. you can write for 3 weeks str8 and still not be able to dispute the fact this was the lowest rated bcs championship game of all time. it was some of the weakest football i have ever watched. inept o does not + great d my man...sorry to tell you. nobody cares about seeing that garbage man, and it has been proven by the ratings. trash ostate all you want...it has nothing to do with that pathetic display of football. look at all the terrible teams that scored tds on these two "great" d's, including some d-2 teams...yet all we see in 2 full games is 10 fgs and a garbage td with a missed extra point. sell that "great d" garbage somewhere else man to someone not bright enough to know terrible and boring and inept o when they see it. lsu didn't come to play, and i can honestly say any team in the top 15 would have stomped them last night.

[sandman0713]

screw it...on to bball.

[letsgo]

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/01/10/alabama-lsu-bcs-national-championships-24-2-million-down-11-from-last-year/116083/

Given how exciting last night's game was (::cough: ESPN should be breathing a sigh of relief that the game was only down ~11% from last year's 27.3 million.

via press release:

BCS National Championship: Cable’s Second Biggest Audience of All Time

ESPN Wins the Night; Record College Football Audience for ESPN’s Digital Platforms

ESPN’s telecast of the Allstate Bowl Championship Series (BCS) National Championship – Alabama’s 21-0 shutout of LSU -- posted a 16.2 fast national household coverage rating, according to Nielsen, representing an average of 16,072,000 households, the second highest of any program in the history in cable television (records go back to 1987). The average of 24,214,000 viewers (P2+) was also second best in cable. It also is ESPN’s second-highest rating of all time.



The only telecast in cable television history with a larger audience was last year’s BCS Championship on ESPN (17,718,000 homes and 27,316,000 people, based on a 17.8 rating), a 22-19 Auburn victory over Oregon decided by a field goal as time expired.



The game was the most-viewed telecast of the night in all of television, broadcast or cable, and powered ESPN to win the night among all networks.



The programming leading into and following the game performed well. BCS Showcase (8:15-30 p.m. ET) earned a 7.7 metered market rating while BCS Post-Game (11:30 p.m. – midnight) drew a 7.9.



The game earned notable local ratings in a variety of markets:

Birmingham averaged a 61.2 rating, best of all metered markets, the second highest-rated bowl game on the ESPN networks in this market, behind only the 2011 National Championship (67.0; Auburn/Oregon)
New Orleans averaged a 53.3 overnight rating, second best in the nation and the highest-rated bowl game ever on the ESPN networks in this market
In addition, Austin (20.5), Greensboro (17.3), Greenville (24.5), Houston (16.2), Jacksonville (23.0), Memphis (25.8), Orlando (16.6), and Providence (9.6) delivered their highest-rating for a bowl game on the ESPN networks in the 2012 BCS National Championship.
Records date back to 2000


Record College Football Audience on ESPN’s Digital Platforms

Across all WatchESPN platforms – computer, smartphone, tablet, Xbox – the average minute audience for the BCS National Championship game totaled 261,000 people, up 40 percent over last year’s game, and a record for college football on ESPN’s digital platforms. More than 523,000 people watched the game on WatchESPN.com, generating 39.6 million minutes and an average minute audience of 227,000 people, which is up 20 percent compared to last year.



For the five BCS Bowl Games on WatchESPN.com, the average minute audience was 114,000 (up 27 percent over last year). For the entire bowl season, fans spent 6.9 million minutes per game on WatchESPN.com for an average time spent of 59 minutes per game, up 31 percent and 28 percent vs. 2011, respectively. ESPN’s college football content on the mobile web reached 872,000 fans and more than three million page views during the bowl season, up 15 percent and 11 percent respectively, compared to a year ago.



ESPN & the BCS

ESPN's second year of exclusive coverage of the five BCS matchups included all five games on ESPN, ESPN Radio and ESPN3 with ESPN Deportes and ESPN 3D also televising the Allstate BCS National Championship Game.



In addition, ESPN provided extensive on-site studio programming and reports across multiple shows and platforms, dedicated web pages for each bowl, re-airs of classic BCS games, international telecasts of all five games, encore presentations of the National Championship and more. ESPN's year-round commitment to college football includes more than 400 games, culminating with 33 bowls.

[sandman0713]

ratings for every game were down, except the fiesta. uconn\oklahoma last year in that game was about as pretty as lsu\bama part two...so you can understand it being up. i think there are a large number of people who are tired of this bcs system, and there has been a ton of bias in the espn coverage that just really turns you off and makes you not want to watch at all...unless you are a fan of the teams playing. sec fans will begin to understand this bias as texas gets better. there is actually a clause in the contract for the longhorn network where tu can call for the job of anyone at espn who says something they don't like about texas...lol. how can people even claim or expect unbiased coverage or honest sports news without an agenda? it is just all getting crooked, and looking more and more like the nfl each year...minus the playoff of course. bama got in and bama won it, and that is that. this thread was created to show the drop in ratings for all the bcs games...and nowhere does it mention ostate. when i said disputed i was talking about lsu. they clearly had the best case for a split champion as their overall resume is way better than anything bama has done. bama fans in here 2 minutes after the game tho trying to justify the fact they were there, or demanding everyone recognize them as the best team in the nation. sorry...i don't. unless there is a 3rd game in this series there is no true champion. yes you are bcs champions...but that seems to carry less Prestige each season. seems this season will actually be the one that brings about change from what is being said everywhere...so that is great.

[lyon804]

wtf is all that man? so many points in there are completely wrong...and most of it has nothing at all to do with what i actually posted. you can write for 3 weeks str8 and still not be able to dispute the fact this was the lowest rated bcs championship game of all time. it was some of the weakest football i have ever watched. inept o does not + great d my man...sorry to tell you. nobody cares about seeing that garbage man, and it has been proven by the ratings. trash ostate all you want...it has nothing to do with that pathetic display of football. look at all the terrible teams that scored tds on these two "great" d's, including some d-2 teams...yet all we see in 2 full games is 10 fgs and a garbage td with a missed extra point. sell that "great d" garbage somewhere else man to someone not bright enough to know terrible and boring and inept o when they see it. lsu didn't come to play, and i can honestly say any team in the top 15 would have stomped them last night.

I know this is a hot topic subject for you and you have spent alot of time here giving your opinion over the last several weeks. So please take the time to "enlighten" me and explain what points I made are wrong. Don't tell me you don't have time because it is clear you have plenty of time to discuss. I am looking to be as "bright" as you.


We have already established the ratings "were lowest rated bcs" because "nobody cares" That does not discount the quality of football. It might not be pretty to the eye but it wins.


My favorite from you: "inept o does not + great d my man" Did it ever occur to you that the defense was so dominant it makes the offense look "inept"? I mean LSU harldy had trouble scoring on any other teams all season. They whipped all comer's and even had 2 convincing ass whipping against 2 teams (oregon, WV) that went on 2 win BCS bowl games and one win came on a neutral site an another came on the road.


Another..: "look at all the terrible teams that scored tds on these two "great" d's, including some d-2 teams." Did it ever occur to you these are games that both teams play lot of guys such as walk on's, practice dummies and Freshman? I mean Alabama gave up 21 pts to Georgia Southern. I guess by your reasoning Georgia Southern has a batter offense than LSU.


Good one: "bright enough to know terrible and boring and inept o when they see it" Are you sure? Your football experience is predicated on a conference that plays ZERO defense. So naturally all the offense's look like world beaters to you. I guess if a team don't get into the least the 40's in your opinion the offense was "inept" The best teams in the SEC put their best athlete's on defense to stop the other team from scoring. Where in the big 12 they put their best athlete's on offense.


Any team in the top 15 would have stomped them last nite: LSU had no trouble beating anybody else all season now all of a sudden other's would have "stomped" them?? Did you read that first? Easy to say now after the fact, but you are not crediting Alabama for LSU looking so meager. A much different time period but in 1992 Alabama whipped Miami in the Sugar Bowl 34-13 and was awarded the NC. In case you wasn't around then that Miami team was the most "vaunted" offense of it's time. They looked pretty "inept" that nite too. Forget that.. I am sure you will discredit that since that happened ions ago. But what about Oklahoma Sooner's in 2008??? They had the best offense "ever seen" by most experts and scored the most points in a college football season. They scored 14 pts against Florida in the NC game... Do you see a trend?? DO you want to discredit that too? Or do you want to go on and on about your rants about the BCS being corrupt? And Espn is causing all this with their hype machine?? Yes, I read that shit you posted in another thread. I would be willing to be a conspiracy theorist with you if their was any proof of such bullshit. I love a good conspiracy as much as anyone. But when nobody from your conference beats an SEC team when it really counts or hardly any other instance it is hard to believe. Such as Oklahoma St.. I doubt that ESPN and the BCS could have sold the public on fuc$king them out of the BCS NC game if they would have beaten Iowa St. Tell me more about these conspiracies and attach some actual LOGIC to them rather than some sour grapes and inneundo.


I know it is easier for you to cry "conspiracy" and "worst rated" BCS of all time than face the facts. And the facts are the SEC has been the premeire conference in college football over the last several yrs. I don't need a conspiracy to know that. I can see the bowl records in head to head matchups and the recent BCS National Championship's to see that. Stick with the facts rather than some pipe dream conspiracy you been posting in other threads.

[sandman0713]

what does it mean to be the lowest rated game of the bcs era? that is not something i made up and can be verified easily. it means fewer people watched this than any other bcs nc game...and 15% fewer than last season when there was actually hope of a td or two. it means most people have no respect for that brand of football and want to see teams capable of scoring and playing an exciting game. it means most people were not interested in seeing a rematch of the most boring game of the year. that is all truth bro, and that is why they didn't watch. how can you argue that? i have come away from past sec nc games thinking they were clearly the best conference in football...and they were in past seasons. this year i came away thinking that was the most boring game i have ever watched, and it was played very poorly. if you think it was bama that made lsu look bad then there is no point going on man, and we must just disagree. they never showed up man. both sec spotlight games this season were duds, and both were played poorly by one of the teams. shit man...you act like i am one person making this claim and laughing at the sec. it is the country man...outside of homer-land like i said. it shows in every poll you look at and every forum i read in and all the articles from credible sources outside of homer-land...and last night it showed in the poorest rated bcs nc game of all time. nothing to dispute there.

[sandman0713]

btw...the oklahoma comparison is nonsense and you know it. what did florida beat them by?...14 or so? ostate beat oklahoma this year by almost 40...does this mean we are 40 points better than that 2008 oklahoma team, or whenever it was? that is all nonsense man. nobody knows what would have happened if ostate and stanford and bama and lsu would have played it out. smart people may think they know, but smart people didn't see wv beating clemson by 100...or countless other things over the years. this year was jacked man, and my opinion will never change. i am not saying i a 100% correct, and i am not saying i am smarter than you. my opinion is my opinion tho, and i think you know it will never change. i also think you know it is based on many years of football experience, and i am far from dumb when it comes to anything to do with football. we just disagree. i think every single year it needs to be played out on the field. i don't care who anyone thinks is the best team or the best conference, or what they think would have happened if this team would have played this team...i want to see it. looks like we will have our +1 now tho...maybe as soon as next season.

[lyon804]

what does it mean to be the lowest rated game of the bcs era? that is not something i made up and can be verified easily. it means fewer people watched this than any other bcs nc game...and 15% fewer than last season when there was actually hope of a td or two. it means most people have no respect for that brand of football and want to see teams capable of scoring and playing an exciting game. it means most people were not interested in seeing a rematch of the most boring game of the year. that is all truth bro, and that is why they didn't watch. how can you argue that? i have come away from past sec nc games thinking they were clearly the best conference in football...and they were in past seasons. this year i came away thinking that was the most boring game i have ever watched, and it was played very poorly. if you think it was bama that made lsu look bad then there is no point going on man, and we must just disagree. they never showed up man. both sec spotlight games this season were duds, and both were played poorly by one of the teams. shit man...you act like i am one person making this claim and laughing at the sec. it is the country man...outside of homer-land like i said. it shows in every poll you look at and every forum i read in and all the articles from credible sources outside of homer-land...and last night it showed in the poorest rated bcs nc game of all time. nothing to dispute there.

Yeah, yeah... You have already established that point about the ratings and I did not dispute that. You clearly underestimate the strength of football though. The hell with being pretty. The object is to win the game. You really don't think LSU was dominated? Alabama had about 6 guys on defense that will be in the NFL next year. You just pass it off as boring and inept offense. If you want to say boring than fine, but inept is a clueless comment. At what other times have those teams looked inept on offense? You also mentioned Alabama won a "fake" NC?? Funny thing is had Ok St been in the game last nite and won you would have celebrated like no other. Grant you Ok St probably would have scored more than Zero points, maybe in 14 like Oklahoma did agaisnt Florida in 2008 but would have given up a ton with that defense they play.


I sure hope they have a plus one or some playoff format that is "fair" to you so all the BS will be settled and you will then have first hand knowledge of the ass whipping I am telling you the OK States of the world would recieve against ANY elite SEC team. You feel like Ok State got short changed so you rant about the BCS and call the SEC style of football boring and inept... Funny thing is they never seem to have ANY problem scoring against a Big 12 team when they get matched up with them, but the Big 12 teams offense all of sudden don't seem to walk on water anymore. Wonder why?

[lyon804]

btw...the oklahoma comparison is nonsense and you know it. what did florida beat them by?...14 or so? ostate beat oklahoma this year by almost 40...does this mean we are 40 points better than that 2008 oklahoma team, or whenever it was? that is all nonsense man. nobody knows what would have happened if ostate and stanford and bama and lsu would have played it out. smart people may think they know, but smart people didn't see wv beating clemson by 100...or countless other things over the years. this year was jacked man, and my opinion will never change. i am not saying i a 100% correct, and i am not saying i am smarter than you. my opinion is my opinion tho, and i think you know it will never change. i also think you know it is based on many years of football experience, and i am far from dumb when it comes to anything to do with football. we just disagree. i think every single year it needs to be played out on the field. i don't care who anyone thinks is the best team or the best conference, or what they think would have happened if this team would have played this team...i want to see it. looks like we will have our +1 now tho...maybe as soon as next season.

Are you an attorney? You can really spin shit good. Florida beat Oklahoma 24-14 in the NC game 2008. The point is that wonderful offense Oklahoma had that set records in the Big 12 and hung 61 POINTS on your beloved cowboy's at your home field could only muster 14 pts in the biggest game of the year against the SEC's best team that had the #2 rated defense in the SEC that year. Oklahoma looked great against your team that year scoring, but looked "inept" against Florida...


And besides your team winning a game this year against Oklahoma has nothing to do with Oklahoma's 2008 team. The point I was making was from 2008 against 2 teams that actually played one another in the NC game. Not the 2011 OSU vs 2008 Oklahoma Sooner's.


You like conspiracy theories I have noticed... I'll give you one. T Boone Pickens paid off Landry Jones and some of the other Sooner's to look like garbage against OSU to help your cause in the BCS voting. OKL wasn't playing for a NC and they knew it so they took the money. You remember how far you guys moved up in the BCS after that game?? Why was Oklahoma's offense so inept against OSU?? Why was it the lowest scoring output all year for them by far? How in the hell did that butter defense OSU plays hold Oklahoma to 10 pts? Was it inept? Was it rigged? It couldn't be your defense...... What was it? This is the same program in Oklahoma that has been whipping OSU like bastard step children since the invention of football. How all of a sudden did you beat them that bad and make them look so inept? How did you give up over 30 pts to shitty Iowa St and only 10 to Oklahoma??A team OSU hadn't beaten but once since the turn of the century?? Remember oddsmakers only made OSU a 3.5 favorite on there home field... Which is to say a virtual PK on a neutral field! How often are oddmakers off by by nearly 40 pts in a high profile conference rivalry??? You explain all that to me.

[sandman0713]

Are you an attorney? You can really spin shit good. Florida beat Oklahoma 24-14 in the NC game 2008. The point is that wonderful offense Oklahoma had that set records in the Big 12 and hung 61 POINTS on your beloved cowboy's at your home field could only muster 14 pts in the biggest game of the year against the SEC's best team that had the #2 rated defense in the SEC that year. Oklahoma looked great against your team that year scoring, but looked "inept" against Florida...


And besides your team winning a game this year against Oklahoma has nothing to do with Oklahoma's 2008 team. The point I was making was from 2008 against 2 teams that actually played one another in the NC game. Not the 2011 OSU vs 2008 Oklahoma Sooner's.


You like conspiracy theories I have noticed... I'll give you one. T Boone Pickens paid off Landry Jones and some of the other Sooner's to look like garbage against OSU to help your cause in the BCS voting. OKL wasn't playing for a NC and they knew it so they took the money. You remember how far you guys moved up in the BCS after that game?? Why was Oklahoma's offense so inept against OSU?? Why was it the lowest scoring output all year for them by far? How in the hell did that butter defense OSU plays hold Oklahoma to 10 pts? Was it inept? Was it rigged? It couldn't be your defense...... What was it? This is the same program in Oklahoma that has been whipping OSU like bastard step children since the invention of football. How all of a sudden did you beat them that bad and make them look so inept? How did you give up over 30 pts to shitty Iowa St and only 10 to Oklahoma??A team OSU hadn't beaten but once since the turn of the century?? Remember oddsmakers only made OSU a 3.5 favorite on there home field... Which is to say a virtual PK on a neutral field! How often are oddmakers off by by nearly 40 pts in a high profile conference rivalry??? You explain all that to me.

wow...lol. last post for me...i gotta finish painting before bball starts. you do understand there was a big 12 title on the line, and a bcs bid for oklahoma as well? if you think the sooners took a dive for boone with all that on the line, then think it man...lol. i am sure half the players on the bama roster are on the school's payroll. in almost every case out there, the more money a school has the better their football program. maybe it works in reverse as well...but you understand. boone kickstarted the ostate football program by throwing a shit-ton of money into it and building wonderful facilities and so on...so of course the ostate football program is different than it has been ever before. he bought a contender, and nobody i know has ever disputed that. this program is so far better than it ever has been...so you looking back over results from past seasons and trying to apply them here is absurd. i am not even sure where to go from here, or really what you are asking. baylor didn't score on kansas in the first half...the worst d in the big 12...yet they hung 70 on washington. what does that mean?...nothing really. i could go on, but you know the deal man. who is rutgers?...they either beat or played tight with the w virginia team you are using to establish lsu's greatness...lol. getting pointless man.

[sandman0713]

btw...most people agree oklahoma didn't show up for that bedlam game. i don't think any sensible fan believes ostate was 40 points better than oklahoma this year. clemson didn't show up against w virginia...i am sure we can agree clemson has at least as much talent as wv. happens all the time. lsu didn't show up in the nc game...and i think that is very clear. bama took advantage.

[zsr]

Sandman shut your bitch ass up you've been bitching for 2 months.

First, they don't deserve to be there.

Then, there going to get killed

Now, the game sucked

Btw, I said the game would not be the highest rated, although I was surprised it was this low. Obviously ratings don't matter though..

Hows your fiesta bowl that you had to have Stanford miss a field goal to win

Once again, keep on whining little boy

[zsr]

Do you think there going to take the trophy away because it was the lowest rate??

Little square lost his bankroll on his lsu

[zsr]

Do they even give a trophy for a fiesta bowl?

[zsr]

All joking aside though, do you realize how sad you are? You've been going on and on about this for two months. Let it go. Alabama is the best team in the country. Ratings don't mean anything.

I remember you saying two months ago you were done arguing this, you just can't let it go. It's actually comical.

[sandman0713]

Do you think there going to take the trophy away because it was the lowest rate??

Little square lost his bankroll on his lsu

you are honestly a dipshit...and i mean that. you have never been inside a classroom there...you will never see or touch that trophy...and i doubt you have ever even been to a game. you know almost nothing about football...made clear by your many dumbass posts here. no way am i getting sucked into another long deal with you where you follow me around for a month. you said it would be the highest rated ever, and you have said it several times. it can be found and pointed out by bumping the threads if need be. don't be a little bitch and lie about something you posted. dealing with you is like dealing with a little kid...i wonder why. see i actually respect lyon, even tho i disagree with most of what he says...lol. he makes it clear by his posts he knows football and loves football. you make it clear you know very little about football, and it makes it pointless to talk to you. that is why i just tease you and call you a little girl. later honey.

[zsr]

Little square bitch lost his whole roll on the "lock of the century"

Hey, I though bama didn't deserve to be there?

Hey, i thought lsu was going to give them a whipping?

Btw, I deleted the part about it being the highest rated and said it would not be. I find it laughable you criticize anyone when your dumbass has been bitching and whining for TWO MONTHS! And everything you've said has turned out wrong

[sandman0713]

nobody outside sec-homerland really cared about watching this boring game. first team in like 75 years it says to win a nc without winning your conference...lol. there are a few homers in here who go on and on about the sec and say really stupid stuff...like zsr saying many times this would be the highest rated nc game of the bcs era. i try to let it slide and not get caught up in fights with people who clearly have no clue about anything really...but you guys make it hard. take your fake ass nc back to bama and celebrate there, because it is clear nobody else really cares. only an lsu win, or a 3rd game in this series of snoozefests this season could have produced a true national champion that won't be debated by many...and sadly none of that is going to happen. you can slam people in this forum who speak out against it and try to justify it any way you want...nobody really cares. sorry to any good bama fans...if there are actually any in here. you guys are poorly represented in this forum by a few guys who can't even spell or string together any kind of posts that make sense.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...lowest_tv.html

that was actually written with you in mind you little bitch.

[zsr]

Lol. From the one who posts giant walls of misspelled, run on, text

[zsr]

Anyway, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. You obviously are a sore loser that you lost your entire roll on the squarest bet of the year

[sandman0713]

Anyway, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. You obviously are a sore loser that you lost your entire roll on the squarest bet of the year

yeah, that is clearly what happened since i posted somewhere i was betting my entire roll on lsu? i played 10 units on lsu and 5 units on the under...losing 5.5 units on this game. i clearly posted it before the game. this is funny man...i read a post by you the other day about miami facing a zone, and i actually found a little respect for you. then i turned on espn and they were doing a story on the miami heat against the zone...lol. as i read back over it, you were quoting what you heard on espn and trying to sound credible...like it was yours instead of some played-out espn story. i am square tho i guess...lol.

[zsr]

Lol at quoting what I heard on espn. Weird, how I posted it two days before? Some of us look at advanced statistics, some of us put all of our money on square bets. I know which one you are.

Also weird that I copy/pasted the chart right from synergy..maybe I found a way to copy/paste what's on the tv, and put it on my computer..square.

[sandman0713]

Lol at quoting what I heard on espn. Weird, how I posted it two days before? Some of us look at advanced statistics, some of us put all of our money on square bets. I know which one you are.

Also weird that I copy/pasted the chart right from synergy..maybe I found a way to copy/paste what's on the tv, and put it on my computer..square.

sister please...it was on espn that day.

[zsr]

Lol. Gee, I wonder why there numbers, and the numbers i posted match? Probably because there the correct numbers? Did I get the chart off the tv? How's that possible? weird.

Fukin square

[sandman0713]

Lol. Gee, I wonder why there numbers, and the numbers i posted match? Probably because there the correct numbers? Did I get the chart off the tv? How's that possible? weird.

Fukin square

their and they're...actually three ways to spell that girl. i didn't say the numbers were wrong dumbass...just that you heard it on espn and quoted what you heard like it was yours. just about everyone in that thread called you a dumbass, yet you still have trouble getting it...so screw it. later bitch.

[zsr]

What? Your done posting about this? Haven't heard that one before

How did I post the chart? Weird huh? Almost like, wait a minute, I got the chart from synergy where the stats were! What a concept

Fukin squares never learn

[zsr]

The funny thing is, I'm not even an Alabama fan, they were obviously the sharp side and the best team in football.

Fukin square donk

[HoldEmHook!!]

wtf is all that man? so many points in there are completely wrong...and most of it has nothing at all to do with what i actually posted. you can write for 3 weeks str8 and still not be able to dispute the fact this was the lowest rated bcs championship game of all time. it was some of the weakest football i have ever watched. inept o does not + great d my man...sorry to tell you. nobody cares about seeing that garbage man, and it has been proven by the ratings. trash ostate all you want...it has nothing to do with that pathetic display of football. look at all the terrible teams that scored tds on these two "great" d's, including some d-2 teams...yet all we see in 2 full games is 10 fgs and a garbage td with a missed extra point. sell that "great d" garbage somewhere else man to someone not bright enough to know terrible and boring and inept o when they see it. lsu didn't come to play, and i can honestly say any team in the top 15 would have stomped them last night.

Post your ratings, iast night drew a 16.8 share 2nd only to last years 17.6.

[HoldEmHook!!]

wtf is all that man? so many points in there are completely wrong...and most of it has nothing at all to do with what i actually posted. you can write for 3 weeks str8 and still not be able to dispute the fact this was the lowest rated bcs championship game of all time. it was some of the weakest football i have ever watched. inept o does not + great d my man...sorry to tell you. nobody cares about seeing that garbage man, and it has been proven by the ratings. trash ostate all you want...it has nothing to do with that pathetic display of football. look at all the terrible teams that scored tds on these two "great" d's, including some d-2 teams...yet all we see in 2 full games is 10 fgs and a garbage td with a missed extra point. sell that "great d" garbage somewhere else man to someone not bright enough to know terrible and boring and inept o when they see it. lsu didn't come to play, and i can honestly say any team in the top 15 would have stomped them last night.

got my numbers wrong on the ratings, but this is correct........You dont know a thing about defense, Bama allowed only 3 rushing T.D.'s all year. Not to mention only allowing LSU across the 50yd 1 time. Syaing that about any D1 school is amazing

[HoldEmHook!!]

btw...the oklahoma comparison is nonsense and you know it. what did florida beat them by?...14 or so? ostate beat oklahoma this year by almost 40...does this mean we are 40 points better than that 2008 oklahoma team, or whenever it was? that is all nonsense man. nobody knows what would have happened if ostate and stanford and bama and lsu would have played it out. smart people may think they know, but smart people didn't see wv beating clemson by 100...or countless other things over the years. this year was jacked man, and my opinion will never change. i am not saying i a 100% correct, and i am not saying i am smarter than you. my opinion is my opinion tho, and i think you know it will never change. i also think you know it is based on many years of football experience, and i am far from dumb when it comes to anything to do with football. we just disagree. i think every single year it needs to be played out on the field. i don't care who anyone thinks is the best team or the best conference, or what they think would have happened if this team would have played this team...i want to see it. looks like we will have our +1 now tho...maybe as soon as next season.

your opinion is as good as your football team, Go Iowa St.

[HoldEmHook!!]

their and they're...actually three ways to spell that girl. i didn't say the numbers were wrong dumbass...just that you heard it on espn and quoted what you heard like it was yours. just about everyone in that thread called you a dumbass, yet you still have trouble getting it...so screw it. later bitch.

well you suck at football threads but are a phenominal grammer cop......what a tool