Clemsons First loss

Ice House · 10-25-11, 03:04 PM

is sammy watkins playing?

spladle08 · 10-25-11, 03:11 PM

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/preview?gameId=313020059

Pregame analysis and predictions of the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets vs. Clemson Tigers NCAAF game to be played on October 29, 2011 on ESPN.

The Espn Preview... I dont see this being a single digit game, but I've been wrong before.... GTech just seems to have started losing steam in the NCST game and sputtered out over the next 3.... Clemson Clobbers.

Ice House · 10-25-11, 03:13 PM

yeah i think clemson is going undefeated and will play LSU in the national title game..... could be wrong but I think they would put Clemson in national title over boise state or stanford

spladle08 · 10-25-11, 03:21 PM

Not sure about them jumping the Cardinal, but Stanford would have to beat Oregon, and OSU still has some tough tests... I would say they definitely have the easiest road left, but an undefeated Stanford team finishing out with wins over Oregon, ND, and maybe a championship win over ASU... seems like it would be a favorite over Clemson, especially with the potential Heisman trophy winner storyline.... but we will see.

naslax13 · 10-25-11, 04:57 PM

yellow jacks all day

bfritsc3 · 10-25-11, 05:01 PM

Wrong!!! Clemson by at least 10....gtech hasnt played well the last 2-3 weeks and never really beat anyone great all year

BigdaddyQH · 10-25-11, 06:16 PM

Clemson does not do real well against Ga. Tech. One thing is for sure. Neither team has much of a defense, so this should be a wild game. I would love to see Tech defeat Clemson. Just who has Celmson played except a bunch of flaky ACC teams. The best team they have played so far is Auburn, and they may end up with 5 losses. There is no way Clemson passes Stanford if the Cards run the table.

naslax13 · 10-25-11, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by bfritsc3

Wrong!!! Clemson by at least 10....gtech hasnt played well the last 2-3 weeks and never really beat anyone great all year

homecoming should be a good reason to pick up the level of play, no? .. clemson let down spot

spladle08 · 10-25-11, 06:53 PM

Lol wouldn't it be a reason to pick up your play as well.... "why did this team schedule us for homecoming? Do they honestly think they can beat us? Lets embarrass them"

stevenash · 10-25-11, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Ice House

yeah i think clemson is going undefeated and will play LSU in the national title game..... could be wrong but I think they would put Clemson in national title over boise state or stanford

I have seen five Tigers games this year so far, their offense is very impressed with their offense, however, if their defense does not tighten up, they will not run the table, might even go down twice if they do not.

That team has been played a brutal schedule so far, it will catch up to them.

suicidekings · 10-25-11, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by BigdaddyQH

Clemson does not do real well against Ga. Tech. One thing is for sure. Neither team has much of a defense, so this should be a wild game. I would love to see Tech defeat Clemson. Just who has Celmson played except a bunch of flaky ACC teams. The best team they have played so far is Auburn, and they may end up with 5 losses. There is no way Clemson passes Stanford if the Cards run the table.

Georgia Tech hasn't had a quality win against an opponent at their level all season... Those first three games were layups and since then, they're 1-3-1 ATS and that's allowing for the UNC line closing at -6.5 when it was actually -7 a lot of places... GTech is making a living on hype at the moment and not backing it up on the field.

Clemson is 5-0 ATS in that same span and has been doing it by pushing tempo, tiring out opposing defenses. Considering GTech has given up 75% of their points this season in the 2Q/4Q (allowing 13+ points in either the 2Q or 4Q in 6 of their 8 games this year), I would say they're not the team to stop Clemson's no-huddle when the Tigers start to press.

All the talk about GTech being a threat here is just building drama for the game.

naslax13 · 10-26-11, 01:09 AM

yea dude, clemson is going to go undefeated against the spread forever.. the books are morons... they'll keep letting everyone ride the gravy train...COME ON, you guys will never learn.. these are the games u want to avoid clemson, it is a CLASSIC trap game. . Clemson could always cover but gtech is by far the sharp bet. I called purdue and mich st last week.. I cant be right all the time, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on clemsons side in this one. goodluck fellas. we'll chat after this ones over.

Pickma$ter · 10-26-11, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by naslax13

yea dude, clemson is going to go undefeated against the spread forever.. the books are morons... they'll keep letting everyone ride the gravy train...COME ON, you guys will never learn.. these are the games u want to avoid clemson, it is a CLASSIC trap game. . Clemson could always cover but gtech is by far the sharp bet. I called purdue and mich st last week.. I cant be right all the time, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on clemsons side in this one. goodluck fellas. we'll chat after this ones over.

I agree with this....its G-Tech or nothing. Clemson will have there hands full and I fully expect them to lose this game.

suicidekings · 10-26-11, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by naslax13

yea dude, clemson is going to go undefeated against the spread forever.. the books are morons... they'll keep letting everyone ride the gravy train...COME ON, you guys will never learn.. these are the games u want to avoid clemson, it is a CLASSIC trap game. . Clemson could always cover but gtech is by far the sharp bet. I called purdue and mich st last week.. I cant be right all the time, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on clemsons side in this one. goodluck fellas. we'll chat after this ones over.

Yes, that's the point I was making

I haven't played Clemson, nor am I likely to because I don't see any advantage in the line. I just don't understand all the GTech love. I'm pretty sure that at 8-0, going into their bye week, and playing a division rival, Dabo Swinney isn't about to let his foot off the gas for one second.

It would be different if GTech had some kind of matchup advantage, but they don't.

spladle08 · 10-26-11, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by naslax13

yea dude, clemson is going to go undefeated against the spread forever.. the books are morons... they'll keep letting everyone ride the gravy train...COME ON, you guys will never learn.. these are the games u want to avoid clemson, it is a CLASSIC trap game. . Clemson could always cover but gtech is by far the sharp bet. I called purdue and mich st last week.. I cant be right all the time, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on clemsons side in this one. goodluck fellas. we'll chat after this ones over.

So how many weeks in a row do you bet against the top teams ( teams that cover week in and week out) to finally have 1 winning weekend and say "I told you so... the lines are always right"......I dont understand how GT is the play this weekend... and HOMECOMING IS NOT A DETERMINING FACTOR... Im on Clemson because I feel like GT is losing steam and Clemson is the better team and has a lot more to play for....

This whole "Vegas is not dumb" stance, is for the birds. They put out a line they feel they can profit from every week, and they know which side the public will take. They know the public has been on Clemson's nuts since the wins over AUB, FSU, and Vatech in 3 consecutive games... do you think they said "The public loves Clemson, lets give them easy spreads for the next 3 games and then when they are all wealthy with our money, we will spring a trap and take some back on the GT game... we are awesome!!!! **a bunch of guys in suits high 5 each other and compliment each other drawing reference to how well their Italian leather boots match their ties".... NO... They always try to win and sometimes they have to take shots....

With a spread like 4 you are right GT probably has a shot at winning straight-up, but I'm sure with UNC -9, or Maryland -9.5 you were tooting the same stuff (they cant cover forever).... blah blah blah... IM OUT.

aimgator · 10-26-11, 10:01 AM

If the line was GT +7.5 i would take GT. At 4.5 there isnt enough there (for me) to go against a hot team.

i have played both Clemson (2-0) and GT (1-1) this year. Should be a good game though...

But this is not a TRAP Game... or a game the BOOKS are setting up because Clemson is 5-0 vs the spread.

14 out of that last 16 games have been decided by 5 points in this series. The line is fair.

coachcfb1 · 10-26-11, 10:03 AM

Agreed totally spladle...

I am copying and pasting this off of covers.com forum about the Ok St / Mizzou game:

"For some odd reason wiseguys have a knack for wanting to beat elite teams with undermanned home underdogs. Saturday was no different as sharp money poured in on the dog about 30 minutes before kickoff driving the price on Oklahoma State down through two key numbers.

While the final score might be a bit misleading, anyone who watched the game realized Oklahoma State was the better team throughout and if Mizzou had found a way to cover it would have been of the backdoor variety.

A professional bettor once told me when you bet bad teams you can’t expect good things to happen."

I see this exact same thing happening in the Clemson game on Saturday.

spladle08 · 10-26-11, 10:40 AM

I like it

M.W. · 10-26-11, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by naslax13

homecoming should be a good reason to pick up the level of play, no? .. clemson let down spot

Hardly. Clemson has been looking forward to this game for a month.

naslax13 · 10-26-11, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by spladle08

So how many weeks in a row do you bet against the top teams ( teams that cover week in and week out) to finally have 1 winning weekend and say "I told you so... the lines are always right"......I dont understand how GT is the play this weekend... and HOMECOMING IS NOT A DETERMINING FACTOR... Im on Clemson because I feel like GT is losing steam and Clemson is the better team and has a lot more to play for....

This whole "Vegas is not dumb" stance, is for the birds. They put out a line they feel they can profit from every week, and they know which side the public will take. They know the public has been on Clemson's nuts since the wins over AUB, FSU, and Vatech in 3 consecutive games... do you think they said "The public loves Clemson, lets give them easy spreads for the next 3 games and then when they are all wealthy with our money, we will spring a trap and take some back on the GT game... we are awesome!!!! **a bunch of guys in suits high 5 each other and compliment each other drawing reference to how well their Italian leather boots match their ties".... NO... They always try to win and sometimes they have to take shots....

With a spread like 4 you are right GT probably has a shot at winning straight-up, but I'm sure with UNC -9, or Maryland -9.5 you were tooting the same stuff (they cant cover forever).... blah blah blah... IM OUT.

Actually, no i'm winning at a 64% rate right now.. you can check out the link at the top of the page if you like. I don't just blindly bet against top teams. I identify games that are traps week in and week out, and it works... Hows your win percentage? Higher than 64? Your also a fool if you don't think pep rallys, parades, and psychotic fans dramatically raise the mood on campus and the level of play .. Last week I took the unpopular homecoming teams..mich st+7.5, purdue+4, southern miss-3, and minnesota +24, with the exception of minnesota missing by 3, I think the rest all proved that homecoming is a factor, as southern miss won by 24, purdue and michigan state won outright by touchdowns.. You cant ignore the stats or the win percentage.

spladle08 · 10-26-11, 11:42 AM

I didn't play the games, but people asked and I suggested Purdue, Southern Miss, and Minnesota (as I thought it was too much for Nebraska to cover, I actually played the Over in this game)... Purdue and Southern Miss were easy.

I will give you MichSt, (I honestly thought Wisconsin had too many weapons, and I still think they win that game 7 out of 10 times)

I got crushed last week, going 5-11 in games played (I am an action junkie as well so I play too many games) my record so far is something like 33-22-2 (not great but meh... doesnt mean your opinion is that of god and mine is irrelevant) 14-8 is good... but its not 22-0.

AT BEST this game is a coin-flip. You are calling heads and I am calling tails... good luck

naslax13 · 10-26-11, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by spladle08

I didn't play the games, but people asked and I suggested Purdue, Southern Miss, and Minnesota (as I thought it was too much for Nebraska to cover, I actually played the Over in this game)... Purdue and Southern Miss were easy.

I will give you MichSt, (I honestly thought Wisconsin had too many weapons, and I still think they win that game 7 out of 10 times)

I got crushed last week, going 5-11 in games played (I am an action junkie as well so I play too many games) my record so far is something like 33-22-2 (not great but meh... doesnt mean your opinion is that of god and mine is irrelevant) 14-8 is good... but its not 22-0.

AT BEST this game is a coin-flip. You are calling heads and I am calling tails... good luck

A coinflip in your opinion... not in mine. Trap Trap Trap

M.W. · 10-26-11, 01:37 PM

I identify games that are traps week in and week out, and it works...

But this is the polar opposite of a trap. This is a game that has Clemson's full attention. This game will be all about talent, schemes, and matchups. Nonetheless, the oddsmakers have adjusted the line by a FULL NINE POINTS to address the situational factors that you like in this game. But there's no reason for the adjustment.

thebestthereis · 10-26-11, 01:59 PM

gtech i will be on for certain

GoBlue23 · 10-26-11, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by thebestthereis

gtech i will be on for certain

Inside information of the late breaking variety

Ga Tech cannot lose!

In all seriousness though I like Tech in this spot as well. BOL

House · 10-26-11, 02:11 PM

Watched every GTech game this year,I swear there games are fixed

......Saturday, you will say it two or three times in your head and one time out loud,real loud....THIS GAME HAS TO BE FIXED

.....

Clemson rolls....the big play has left the building for GTech ... Clemson -4

naslax13 · 10-26-11, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by M.W.

But this is the polar opposite of a trap. This is a game that has Clemson's full attention. This game will be all about talent, schemes, and matchups. Nonetheless, the oddsmakers have adjusted the line by a FULL NINE POINTS to address the situational factors that you like in this game. But there's no reason for the adjustment.

Its not about if the game has clemsons attention or not. Thats not what is meant by a trap game. Also, I would LOVE to know where you got the nine point adjustment number from, if you could please share that information...

M.W. · 10-26-11, 03:59 PM

Yeah, that is what's meant by a trap game. You're talking about a trap BET.

And why would you expect this to be a trap bet?

Sunde91 · 10-26-11, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by suicidekings

Yes, that's the point I was making

I haven't played Clemson, nor am I likely to because I don't see any advantage in the line. I just don't understand all the GTech love. I'm pretty sure that at 8-0, going into their bye week, and playing a division rival, Dabo Swinney isn't about to let his foot off the gas for one second. It would be different if GTech had some kind of matchup advantage, but they don't.

GT's 5th rush O vs. Clemson's 76th rush D

Only other time Clemson played the triple option this year was at home to FCS Wofford. Wofford put up 275 yards on the ground. 2 weeks ago 50th rush O Maryland put up 291 yards on the ground.

Huge matchup advantage

House · 10-26-11, 06:20 PM

ahhh ,Wofford put up 27 points vs Clemson

treytb8 · 10-26-11, 06:33 PM

275 rushing yards 400 total yards and also 27 points to Wofford enough said. Wofford also runs triple option. Clemson also struggled with a terrible Maryland team on the road.

naslax13 · 10-26-11, 09:35 PM

trap bet/trap game same thing in my book.. a classic "let down spot" is what you are referring to.. if u check the link in my first post you can see why its a trap bet.. goodluck all..

naslax13 · 10-29-11, 08:37 PM

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sportfan · 10-29-11, 08:41 PM

still early to celebrate but looking good pal