OKLAHOMA vs KANSAS -35

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 01:15 AM

Kansas playing at home and does have a decent offense. Be careful that Oklahoma may be content with a big lead in the second half and run out the clock. They've been known to do this in past games.

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 01:38 AM

Thank you for responding to my post TwoWays. In the 70-21 loss to Oklahoma State, Kansas scored 21 points, but 14 of those were in the 4th quarter. They also have not played anyone who has a defense close to Oklahoma's.

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 01:51 AM

I wouldn't feel comfortable with playing Oklahoma giving 40 points at home versus Kansas. I definitely would not feel comfortable playing Oklahoma giving 35 points on the road. Because you will be counting on backups to finish off the game against Kansas, and Kansas will probably still have their starters playing. In these types of games it's not about defensive ranking, but defensive intensity, and I'm not sure Oklahoma will have it after last weekend's emotional outburst versus Texas.

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 01:53 AM

It is called playing for the right to play in the BCS Championship game, the ratings, impressing the pollsters. However, you do have some valid points to consider for anyone playing this game.

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 01:56 AM

It's also the style of offense that teams run as well. Oklahoma State runs a hurry-up, at times no-huddle, through out the game no matter who's playing quarterback. Oklahoma tends to slow it down with a big lead and run out the clock with a big lead.

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 01:59 AM

Think of this final score: 51-17. Is this whooping not enough to impress the pollsters? And this score would be a game played on the road. Not many teams can boast such a whopping result on the road (leave Boise State versus Fresno State out, of course).

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 02:05 AM

Schedule so far for Kansas
Previous Games Week Date Opponent Result Record
1 Sat., Sep 3 McNeese State W 42-24 1-0
2 Sat., Sep 10 Northern Illinois W 45-42 2-0
3 Sat., Sep 17 @Georgia Tech L 66-24 2-1
5 Sat., Oct 1 Texas Tech L 45-34 2-2
6 Sat., Oct 8 @Oklahoma State L 70-28 2-3

They have not played anyone close to a defense like Oklahoma's, and the Oklahoma offense is better than any of the teams they have played with the possible exception of Oklahoma State.

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 02:08 AM

I know Kansas gives up a ton of points. But I also can see they've scored at least 20 points in each of those contest. The blowouts were on the road, it looks like. I'm sure they could manage to scrape together 20 points at home. Then you would be counting on Oklahoma putting up 60?

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 02:10 AM

But they have not played anyone with a defense, absolutely no one.
Schedule for Oklahoma so far:

Previous Games Week Date Opponent Result Record
1 Sat., Sep 3 Tulsa W 47-14 1-0
3 Sat., Sep 17 @Florida State W 23-13 2-0
4 Sat., Sep 24 Missouri W 38-28 3-0
5 Sat., Oct 1 Ball State W 62-6 4-0
6 Sat., Oct 8 @Texas W 55-17 5-0

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 02:15 AM

It seems obvious, yes. But let's look at a team like Alabama. Alabama played played Florida on the road when Florida was healthy and blew them out. Before this game they played N. Texas at home giving 40+ points and didn't cover.

shooms79 · 10-10-11, 02:16 AM

I have ok -35. There is no reason Oklahoma cant cover....PERIOD. With that being said, i think it solely lays in the hand of Stoops. He DOES need to impress the BCS computer, and what urbanwildlife said, is absolutely on point. I think he (stoops) learned his lesson vs mizz when they failed to cover and dropped outta No1. The only apprehension i would express, is Kansas backdooring by scoring a td...but really i dont think that will happen. I am really going to look at the 1h for this game. But yes, i believe ok is a solid play. Ok has oklahoma state in their last week (dec 3), and the way Ok st dismantled kansas was SICK. yes giving up 28 points? 21 in 2h 14 in 4q. I think it comes to motivation for Ok 2nd/3rd string...make sure they finish strong. 35, is a lot to cover...esp when a team gets up so much that coaches play "future talent" to build for future. The only risk i can see is a the trash TD which kansas had lived off of (look at all their games and a token td in 4q)

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 02:21 AM

Who wouldn't think Oklahoma is a solid play. You think any coach comes into a game thinking "failing" to cover the spread vs. a team will cost his team a spot in the poll? There are many positives to side with Oklahoma going into this game. But a big positive for Kansas is they can put up points. So Oklahoma will have to count on multiple turnovers by their defensive, and maybe a defensive TD or two to cover this spread.

shooms79 · 10-10-11, 02:30 AM

i dont put too much stock in turnovers this game. Oklahoma can easily force kansas to go 3 and out and not sweat it. im sorry but they held texas to ZERO tds (except special teams and the trash 4q td). Yes i know u will say Oklahoma had 2 ints...but oklahoma just being oklahoma will do that vs kansas - ie i dont think Def needs to be THAT huge a factor. Kansas D is swiss cheese. Like i said, opponents are so far up, they tend to relax and thats when kansas gets their points.

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 02:38 AM

Turnovers are important in every game. It matters in terms of whether a team covers or doesn't cover, whether a total hits or doesn't hit. Turnovers are a deciding factor in one or both cases in every game. Kansas is not Texas, yes. And N. Texas is not Florida, so... So let's say Oklahoma scores 60 points on the road, which is a ridiculous number. Can't Kansas, with a decent offense, put together 20 points playing at home? Isn't this margin too close for comfort to bet a large amount on this game?

travismcilrath · 10-10-11, 02:42 AM

theyll cover

travismcilrath · 10-10-11, 02:42 AM

easily

travismcilrath · 10-10-11, 02:43 AM

kansas blows ok st proved that

travismcilrath · 10-10-11, 02:43 AM

theyll beat them by 40 or more

travismcilrath · 10-10-11, 02:44 AM

lol

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 02:44 AM

It's hard to respond to or back curt remarks. Would you lay a large bet on the Sooners this coming up week yourself?

travismcilrath · 10-10-11, 02:45 AM

if not ok st will whip oklahoma

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 02:46 AM

@ TwoWays
Not for me!

37421095-110/9/2011 4:42PMSpread 2,160.00 2,000.00Football - 165 Oklahoma -35½ -108 for Game

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 02:46 AM

There have been many-a-games where superior teams have had letdowns, and I'm sure you're aware of that too travis.

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Urbanwildlife

@ TwoWays
Not for me!

37421095-110/9/2011 4:42PMSpread 2,160.00 2,000.00Football - 165 Oklahoma -35½ -108 for Game

Nice man! For all the opposing points that I'm putting out there not to back Oklahoma, I hope you hit

BTW, you didn't need to post your bet. What you end up doing with your money is your deal, not mine.

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 02:51 AM

It is nice to get opposing views TwoWays, as I have turned around and bet the other way, just basically losing the juice, if something pops out that I do not care for. It rarely happens after I place a wager, but it has. This is why I like to keep an open mind about these games, and others points of view.

TwoWays · 10-10-11, 02:56 AM

Dude, Urban, that's a lot of juice. But guess that's relative to the person's bankroll. Whichever way you end up going, hope it hits, or at least gets you that juice back.

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 02:58 AM

Thank you! and the best of luck to you as well.

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 04:20 PM

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Boscoe · 10-10-11, 09:10 PM

i normally hate playing big chalk but hard to pass this one up. ku is dead last in total def and scoring defense for a reason. i'm just baffled that the line is dropping.

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 09:59 PM

and I believe the second and third string defensive players for Oklahoma are more athletic than the first team offensive players for Kansas, so that is why I am not concerned about Oklahoma getting a big lead, then putting in there reserves. Look what Georgia Tech and Oklahoma State did to them, and now they are up potentially against the best team in the country.

The level in which the Jayhawks played on Oct. 8 enabled Oklahoma State to remove some of its offensive starters before the end of the first half. The Cowboys scored on all eight of their first-half possessions, four after taking over in Kansas territory following turnovers. The result was a 49-point margin at halftime, which the Cowboys eventually turned into a 70-28 romp.
It marked just the third time the Jayhawks allowed 70 points in a game and was just a point short of the all-time mark Oklahoma posted in a 1987 rout. Bob Valesente was in his second season as the Kansas coach and was not retained. Turner Gill just happens to be in his second season, so stay tuned.
By allowing 496 yards passing, Kansas has now allowed the most passing and rushing yards in its history over the last three games. Georgia Tech rushed for a record 604 yards in pasting the Jayhawks 66-24 on Sept. 17. With Oklahoma up next on Oct. 15, Kansas (2-3, 0-2 Big 12) does not look capable of competing against the best in the Big 12, and could be in jeopardy of a winless run through the league.
OK, it is still early. But any opponent that executes a hurry-up offense figures to have an advantage because the Jayhawks are confused over where to line up and then are too slow to the football. Their 556-yard average allowance is easily the worst in the Bowl Subdivision.
Yet Gill was left addressing the inability of his offense to protect the football after Oklahoma State converted all four first-half takeaways into easy points. The Cowboys probably would have scored no matter where they obtained the football, but the turnovers simply expedited matters and quickly convinced OSU coach Mike Gundy to show mercy.
"The biggest thing is giving ourselves a better chance,'' Gill said. "Ball security is number one and number two is creating turnovers. We're going the opposite way. We're not at that point in our program where we can turn the ball over and still be competitive in the football game.''

NOTES, QUOTES
--In a span of three games Kansas allowed two different opponents to set inglorious records for yardage. Georgia Tech rushed for the most yards ever against the Jayhawks with 604 in a Sept. 17 blowout. Then on Oct. 8, Oklahoma State passed for a record 494 yards and crushed Kansas 70-28. The Cowboys even used two quarterbacks, yet both threw for more than 200 yards, the first time two passers ever accomplished that feat for OSU. --Although Oklahoma State removed starting QB Brandon Weeden before the final series of the first half, Kansas elected to stick with its regular QB, Jordan Webb. After throwing two first-half picks, Webb was sharp against the OSU reserves and eventually completed 25 of 36 passes for a career-best 316 yards. He engineered three second-half touchdowns and was hopeful the Jayhawks acquired some valuable confidence executing against the OSU backups.
--The victory for Oklahoma State snapped a tie in the series and gave the Cowboys a 30-29-3 edge.
KEEP AN EYE ON: TE Tim Biere -- The senior captain was used extensively and caught three passes on the opening drive, including a 10-yard touchdown, to give Kansas a brief lead at Oklahoma State. Biere finished with career bests for receptions (seven) and yards (93). He possesses good hands and will be a desired target as long as the Jayhawks do not have to mass protect for QB Jordan Webb.
LOOKING GOOD: This is all relative considering the Jayhawks dug a 56-7 halftime deficit. The 21-14 advantage Kansas managed in the second half could be a positive to build from, if only it played in a league that wasn't as stacked with good teams as the Big 12. Oklahoma State is among the most explosive, but the Cowboys made it look far too easy against the Jayhawks' first-team defense. Well, youth is developing. The longest gains for the Jayhawks, both for touchdowns, were a 31-yard rush by Tony Pierson and a 68-yard catch by JaCorey Shepherd. Both are freshmen.
STILL NEEDS WORK: Just about everything requires more work, something the Kansas coaches insisted repeatedly during postgame remarks. The four first-half turnovers the Jayhawks committed at Oklahoma State provided opportunities that were simply too easy for the Cowboys, who moved the ball at will with their potent hurry-up attack. Defensive coordinator Vic Shealy has been quick to stand up and take blame for the Jayhawks' shortcomings, but the players he is using are simply too young and too slow to compete favorably.

M.W. · 10-10-11, 10:42 PM

I'm not abaout to bet on Kansas, but Oklahoma doesn't need any style points. If they win out, they're in the national championship game. The PAC 10, Big 10, and ACC are too weak for Stanford, Wisc/Mich/Mich St/Illinois, or Clem/GT to make it even if they're undefeated.

Urbanwildlife · 10-10-11, 11:03 PM

But you have Alabama, LSU, and Boise State as big possibilities.

bu08usc11 · 10-10-11, 11:15 PM

Agree OU's 2nds could put up 50 on KU.

M.W. · 10-10-11, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Urbanwildlife

But you have Alabama, LSU, and Boise State as big possibilities.

Well, LSU or Alabama would be Oklahoma's opponent, so they don't matter, and Boise's schedule is too weak for them to pass OU no matter how much they win by.