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  • Dirty D
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 09-26-06
    • 796

    #1
    Arkansas @ Alabama Beware
    First, I am an admitted Arkansas homer.

    That said, information from homers can be valuable too so I am going to put this out there in an effort to put you guys off of a risky affair if you are taking the Tide tomorrow (even the ML).

    I went to the University of Arkansas from 97 to 03 and picked up a few engineering degrees along the way. I follow the SEC very closely.

    As for Arkansas:
    Bobby Petrino has a totally different demeanor than I have ever seen during alabama week during his 3 year tenure at Arkansas. When he arrived at Arkansas, our cupboard was left extremely BARE by the biggest idiot douchebad on the planet named Houston Nutt. Petrino instantly brought a whole new offensive philosophy and instant improvement could be seen by all. There was a very key ingredient missing though and that was SEC caliber players because Houston basically quit recruiting about 3 years before he left.

    During Petrinos first year he had to get some offensive weapons and to make the quickest biggest impact he went after bigtime players at the skill positions. Arkansas was a tough sell to recruits at this moment in time so he sold his offense to the people that would listen the most. All that Greg Childs, Joe Adams, Ryan Mallet, Knile Davise, and Jerius Wright had to see was game film from Louisville and they signed up to play. However, he did not have that kind of pull with bigtime SEC caliber Olinemen or Defensive players. So his second season featured a much more productive offense and a poor defense for sure. Most would say that was one of the best recruiting jobs ever because the program was as such a low point and he came in in the middle of the year from Atlanta. After key losses Bobby always said he was proud of his team and that things are heading in the right direction BUT "our kids have to gain the confidence that they can win these big games on the road". They have to believe that they can do it.

    Recruiting for year two was much more focused on making the O and D lines much bigger faster and stronger. During this time we picked up very good talent on the offensive line and the entire defense. He still nabbed some stud skill players as well because he will always get those. This third year was much better for Arkansas. After losing to Bama, he did not say his team did not believe they could win anymore, instead he was very irritated because he knew he had the game won barring a terrible late 4th quarter pick thrown by Mallet. Arkansas lost in the Sugar bowl to Ohio State when after charging back in the second half had two miscues on the biggest stage. They blocked a punt and instead of running it in for a td they fell on the ball when nobody else was around. Then Mallet threw his terrible late game pick again when a sure score seemed inevitable. Mallet also got knocked out of the Auburn game but Tyler Wilson stepped in and threw 4 touchdown passes in a failing effort against the soon to be national champions. The defense was still a big weakness but we were a scoring machine.

    So Arkansas was two late 4th quarter miscues from being 12-1 Sugar bowl champions last year.

    This brings us to this year.

    Bobby and Willie (D Coordinator) are saying this is far and away our most talented defense that we have put on the field. Those players that they were able to recruit in year 2 are now more developed and have a year of experience under their belts. Before the troy game I believe they allowed a combined 10 points in 2 games. But what about that Troy game. Arkansas jumped out to a 31-7 lead and everyones attention turned to Bama. Business was taken care of and finally they could focus on the game that they have been preparing for since the end of the sugar bowl last year. Troy runs the spread and is built to score fast if the defense is not on their A game. They had Clemson down at the half the week before.

    Greg Childs was not present for the Troy game due to a death in the family. He also had limited looks in the first two games because of caution around his knee surgery from last year. Everyone talks about how big and storng the Bama secondary is but Greg is a man child and could deliver some intimidating blows to defenders during the game tomorrow.

    Joe Adams has also had limited reps just to limit exposure to injury risk but when he has been on the field he has been amazing. He already has multiple returns for touchdowns. Partly because he is a freak athlete but also in part because this is Jon L Smiths 3rd season with the Hogs as their special teams coach. Pretty nice to have the former Michigan State coach scheming your special teams for you.

    Arkansas will be missing Knile (NOT KNILES) Davis and Stud defensive end Jake Bequette. These are two kids with huge heart. They are both captains on the team so there is no doubt that this hurts Arkansas. That said. Arkansas has the most mature and athletic linebacker corp it has seen in a while with a lot of experience. Chris Smith would be a starting DE for most teams but Jake Bequette is big shoes to fill. I actually see this could work out as a positive in a weird way in that Chris Smith could prove to be a little better against the run than Bequette but he definitely cannot bring the pass rushing heat as Jake.

    So this is Bobby's 4th season with the Hogs. Alabama is the only SEC monkey on his back. It is not a secret that his entire staff has been scheming for this game all year long.

    Funny note: Saban was talking about the game last year and said that they spent all week preparing to defend the empty backfield that arkansas had run in all three games leading up to Bama. He said that Arkansas did not run a single play with an empty backfield. Saban said, you end up adjusting for those new looks but you can't get back all the hours of preparation you waste trying to predict what Bobby is going to bring at you.

    Trent Richardson, the Bama D, and the home venue could be the great equalizer. Their passing game is unproven at this point. i would say it is shaky but you really do not know how good it is because they really have only needed to run the ball. It will be interesting to see how this McCaren kid plays.

    Anyways, I usually do not bet on Arkansas very often unless I just really see the value. Last week I posted for people to have confidence in Arkansas for the first half at -13 but not to bet the game line. It hit and the gameline did not hit. This week I will be betting 7-8 units on Arkansas +12 and 1-2 units on Arkansas ML.

    Again I am a razorback to the core. I am just putting this information out there to help you guys cap the game a bit. I think this would be a very bad game to put into your ML parlays thinking that Bama is a cant miss. There is significant risk for Bama ML in this game.

    But I think the spread is a safe bet. I do think this will be a one possession game when the clock hits triple zeros and it should be exciting to watch from kickoff to kneel down regardless of who wins!

    Dirty D
  • JT OZ
    SBR MVP
    • 08-16-10
    • 2076

    #2
    Thanks for the info should be a good one.
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    • gunnersgun
      SBR High Roller
      • 07-31-11
      • 124

      #3
      wasn't even gonna touch this game but your post convinced me to make a play on arkansas
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      • tokio
        SBR MVP
        • 03-30-10
        • 2150

        #4
        Petrino will have an answer for Saban tomorrow.
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        • Matt1144
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 07-25-11
          • 813

          #5
          I have Alabama -2 in a teaser. Still pretty confident here
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          • dume walker
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 04-08-10
            • 971

            #6
            I was thinking of taking Bama but laid off even before I read your excellent post. Couple of reasons why... Arkansas is 10-1 ATS its last 11 SEC games. Bama was 3-5 ATS against the SEC last year. Also feel like Saban will stick more to the running game with Richardson and Lacy rather than trusting their new QB in a game like this, which would seem to keep them from getting a breakaway lead. Another is Saban's supposed preference (I read this. Not my opinion.) to use defense to hold on to a lead rather than using O to run it up.

            Not sure if I'm going to put coin on the Hogs or not but do appreciate your write-up.

            Also sorry to hear you didn't bet on your homies more seeing as how they went 10-3 ATS last year.
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            • wesleypotter
              SBR High Roller
              • 09-22-11
              • 121

              #7
              Lester, Barron, Kirkpatrick, Menzie best secondary in the country hands down. Hightower, Upshaw,Johnson,Mosely arguably best linebacker core in the nation and all 8 will be 1st or 2nd round picks in the draft when their time comes.Gonna be hard to throw the ball on that defense just being real.
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              • brahmabull117
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 11-08-10
                • 8622

                #8
                just like nearly any other alabama game



                under under under under under under
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                • jwbama23
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-17-10
                  • 2373

                  #9
                  Thank you for the public service announcement, and anyone who makes a play one way or the other based on this very one sided post should not be gambling any longer.
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                  • brahmabull117
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 11-08-10
                    • 8622

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jwbama23
                    Thank you for the public service announcement, and anyone who makes a play one way or the other based on this very one sided post should not be gambling any longer.

                    you're a bama fan, so I'm sure you have seen your team cover the under at a disgusting rate over the years, why not play that????
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                    • jwbama23
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-17-10
                      • 2373

                      #11
                      I only play Bama games for action, nothing else very small wagers and its usually tied to something else exotic
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                      • BamaBill67
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 11-12-08
                        • 682

                        #12
                        Hahahahaha , if this is Ark most talented D then I feel sorry for yall . Troy hung 28 on that hog ass , what do you think Bama will do ? Bama 37 . Ark 14
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                        • wildcorndog
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-30-10
                          • 1456

                          #13
                          I'm sorry to say it buddy, but BAMA will win the ML.... All I want arky to do is keep it within 12. To do this arky has to hold thier own in pass protection on offense and stopping the run on defense.
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                          • Dirty D
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 09-26-06
                            • 796

                            #14
                            Be careful looking at the Troy game as your indicator of this defense. 31-7 at half. 100% spread attack. Loss of focus in second half.

                            Fact is, Bama does not bring a spread today. Totally different matchup. I see bama scoring less than Troy did for sure but that is not saying much.

                            How did bama do against the spread last year? 28 unanswered points in the meltdown loss to your little brother auburn. Albeit NC Winner Auburn.

                            Was this a one sided report... Hell yeah it was. Because I know Arkansas VERY well and I know the rest of the SEC teams PRETTY well. I took the time to write this because I really like getting information on SBR from people close to programs (whether they have their fan glasses on or not). Call it giving back to the community but I have laid off a lot of losing bets that i thought were probably safe when learning a little more about a team from a fan perspective.

                            Dirty D
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                            • Dirty D
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 09-26-06
                              • 796

                              #15
                              One more thing to consider about the Bama Defense. This is less about the talent on the field and more about the coaching schemes chessmatch! Secondaries and Linebacker corps loaded with NFL talent have not given Petrino too much difficulty in the past (See LSU and Ohio State last year).

                              Its Saban that is the difference. Saban is the master of disguising coverage and hiding blitzes. He is 100% NFL Defense. Petrino is a master of exploiting defenses. Chess match for sure.

                              Arkansas has a very good short passing game along with the screen so CBP should be using all weapons at his disposal to keep the blitzes at bay.

                              This is going to be a damn good game. I woke up at 6:00 this morning and popped out of bed like Santa Claus had come last night!

                              Dirty D
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                              • brahmabull117
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-08-10
                                • 8622

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Dirty D
                                One more thing to consider about the Bama Defense. This is less about the talent on the field and more about the coaching schemes chessmatch! Secondaries and Linebacker corps loaded with NFL talent have not given Petrino too much difficulty in the past (See LSU and Ohio State last year). Its Saban that is the difference. Saban is the master of disguising coverage and hiding blitzes. He is 100% NFL Defense. Petrino is a master of exploiting defenses. Chess match for sure. Arkansas has a very good short passing game along with the screen so CBP should be using all weapons at his disposal to keep the blitzes at bay. This is going to be a damn good game. I woke up at 6:00 this morning and popped out of bed like Santa Claus had come last night! Dirty D

                                your boys barely scored 20 points last year at home with Mallet starting, u think you will do better without him on the road in a hostile environment???


                                Bama - 27
                                Arkansas - 14



                                It wouldn't surprise me to see Arkansas cover this spread, but the smart play is UNDER UNDER UNDERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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                                • Vin_vermillion
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 01-24-11
                                  • 1537

                                  #17
                                  Excellent post. Bama will tap that ass and cover easily.
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                                  • jwbama23
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 01-17-10
                                    • 2373

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Dirty D
                                    One more thing to consider about the Bama Defense. This is less about the talent on the field and more about the coaching schemes chessmatch! Secondaries and Linebacker corps loaded with NFL talent have not given Petrino too much difficulty in the past (See LSU and Ohio State last year). Its Saban that is the difference. Saban is the master of disguising coverage and hiding blitzes. He is 100% NFL Defense. Petrino is a master of exploiting defenses. Chess match for sure. Arkansas has a very good short passing game along with the screen so CBP should be using all weapons at his disposal to keep the blitzes at bay. This is going to be a damn good game. I woke up at 6:00 this morning and popped out of bed like Santa Claus had come last night! Dirty D
                                    Dirty D, I appreciate your optimism and the fact that you have found a small crack in Bama that you are hoping and praying Arky can exploit. I do think the game will be a great game and I love Petrino as a coach and he is one of the very good ones in the business. However when making your wager today remember he is going up against the best in the business in college football. He is going into that guys house and dont think for a second when Saban eyed his schedule down this year he didnt realize Arky O would be the toughest he would probably have to face. Saban will have a plan for them and without the home crowd atmosphere like last season I dont see how the Razorbacks can jump on Bama early. Do I think Arky can win? YEP. I just dont think it is probable and its much more probable that Bama will win by 10-14 points than it is Ark will win. Good luck with your wager on this game as I am not playing it(learned its too hard to get a real read on your team when emotion is involved).

                                    Bama 34- Ark 20
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                                    • Delirium tremens
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 02-01-11
                                      • 173

                                      #19
                                      Bama BIG!!!!
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                                      • bradleysnyder
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 04-18-07
                                        • 6662

                                        #20
                                        Hilarious. Bama will rolllllllllllll at home. No way ark goes into Bama and wins.... back door cover? Maybe, but I doubt it.
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                                        • Dirty D
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 09-26-06
                                          • 796

                                          #21
                                          I have put everything I have out there for this post. I welcome all pro BAMA feedback. Kindof what I was looking for since I haven't laid any coin yet. Hog fan or not I still love money so I want to hear all opines on BAMA.

                                          Another consideration: Tyler Wilson, 1st year starting QB, First road game, First BAMA defense to see.
                                          Another consideration: People have been getting to TW already this year and they were not BAMA. This could be key.
                                          Another consideration: Tyler Wilson is not Ryan Mallet. TW has less physical throwing skills, but he has higher football !Q, has 3 years experience under BP, and has MOBILITY which he might very well need today. I got scared anytime a defener got close to Mallet the 6'6" statue last year. Don't expect a late 4th qtr pic from Wilson. Less emotion and more football IQ!

                                          I have mad respect for BAMA too. I am just saying that this Arkansas team is siginificantly better than last years Arkansas team and I think Bama's defense is still stellar and their O is not as good for sure.

                                          Dirty D
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                                          • wildcorndog
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 08-30-10
                                            • 1456

                                            #22
                                            Defense wins in this sport. Same reason LSU will win tonight. If u hope to have any success at all in betting football games u need to understand that in all probability the team with the best D will win most of the time. In this case BAMA has the best D, an it's not like they don't have weapons on offense. Thier offense was designed to compliment their defense "ball control" saban will string together 7 minute drives with Trent Richardson to keep arky on the sideline and limit their opportunities...
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                                            • jwbama23
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 01-17-10
                                              • 2373

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Dirty D
                                              I have put everything I have out there for this post. I welcome all pro BAMA feedback. Kindof what I was looking for since I haven't laid any coin yet. Hog fan or not I still love money so I want to hear all opines on BAMA. Another consideration: Tyler Wilson, 1st year starting QB, First road game, First BAMA defense to see. Another consideration: People have been getting to TW already this year and they were not BAMA. This could be key. Another consideration: Tyler Wilson is not Ryan Mallet. TW has less physical throwing skills, but he has higher football !Q, has 3 years experience under BP, and has MOBILITY which he might very well need today. I got scared anytime a defener got close to Mallet the 6'6" statue last year. Don't expect a late 4th qtr pic from Wilson. Less emotion and more football IQ! I have mad respect for BAMA too. I am just saying that this Arkansas team is siginificantly better than last years Arkansas team and I think Bama's defense is still stellar and their O is not as good for sure. Dirty D
                                              Getting to wilson is the key for Bama on D. I read a stat where wilson has completed 70% of his passes in the pocket but only 20 percent outside of the pocket. My money says Saban makes this kid run a lot and gets him outside the pocket. As for the Bama Offense, I dont know if you can call it shaky.....we havent had to show anything yet and we have had a very vanilla game plan so far. Against N. Texas we ran the same run play 3 times in a row. McElwain has been hand cuffed but dont worry today they will be flinging the ball all over the place mixed in with the usual pound down your throat runs. Again, I have no money on this game as you can see I wear Crimson shaded glasses but if I were to bet I would have to put my money on Bama.
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                                              • wildcorndog
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 08-30-10
                                                • 1456

                                                #24
                                                By the way I have my money on arky +12... buy I wouldn't touch the arky ML
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