LSU - Probably Overrated

[ritehook]

Most of the preseason prognosticators are picking LSU to finish 2nd or 3rd in the final, January rankings.

They do understand the personnel losses but cite the fact that most of the superior defense is back. And that the schedule is easier than last year, with just about all the serious competition having to come to Baton Rouge.

And of course the old "reloading not rebuilding" bromide.

I'll dissent from this popular view. I'd estimate the Tigers to finish lower than 7th in the national ranking. Maybe not even in the Top Ten.

Granted the D looks solid. But they lose the heart of the secondary with both starters gone, including the best D back in college last year (Landry).

Three offensive stars gone in Round One of the NFL draft, including the QB, picked first. I understand Flynn is not a bum, but he was second fiddle last year for a reason.

While I don't think the Tiger WR picked in Rd 1 by San Diego was worthy of the honor, it's beside the point.The offense will be off several notches. It has to be.

Add to that the major loss of one of the best Off Coordinators in the biz, Jimbo Fischer, lured to Fla St by a lot of long green.

I'm thinking that LSU will lose one of their early home games, to either Va Tech or S. Carolina. And depending on the posted total in those game the Under will be worth a look.

JMO

[ritehook]

Georgia or Alabama look best in a slightly-weaker-than-last-year SEC

[pags11]

they are far from overrated...

[prickbeater101]

I agree Pags, they are certainly far from overrated. The defense appears to be as good if not better than last year and the offense, even though losing all those receivers as well as JaMarcus Russell, still look very,very good. Keiland Williams will certainly be a running back you will want to keep an eye on. He is the real deal. As far as Flynn being second string for a reason, I can answer that. He played behind the NFL's first pick in the draft. Weak analogy. I really look for the Tigers to run the table in the SEC this year but that in itself is saying quite a bit. So we will see....

[pags11]

prickbeater...

[imgv94]

prickbeater appears to be a sharp feller. Stick around guy

[prickbeater101]

hey pags and imgv, lookin for another fun year guys!! Good to be back after a off season break. thanks for the kudos imgv but I must say, you and pags are the sharpest on this board!!

[pags11]

prickbeater,

appreciate it...razz, buddy, darkhorse, hawk, austintx and vanzack are very good as well...

[r2d2]

prickbeater,

appreciate it...razz, buddy, darkhorse, hawk, austintx and vanzack are very good as well...

true dat. What up Pags & Imgv? Been a long, long offseason. Getting ready for some football!!!! Imgv, can't wait for your teaser selections, I enjoyed the hell of them last year. Pags, can't wait for your write ups either, those were great last year. Bring on Fall, the prick, matchbook, beer and broads.

i am flying out to denver to take my son to the raiders game at mile high on 9/16. Cant wait for football~!

[pags11]

r2d2,

what's going on my friend?...glad that you are well...it's gonna be a fun season for sure...good to hear about the football game you guys will be attending...have fun bud...

[Razz]

I'm not all about laying road chalk, especially in the SEC, but LSU is going to beat the shit out of Mississippi State, just like they do every year. Oh, and this LSU team is, IMO, far and away the best in the country.

[linebacker]

Most of the preseason prognosticators are picking LSU to finish 2nd or 3rd in the final, January rankings.

They do understand the personnel losses but cite the fact that most of the superior defense is back. And that the schedule is easier than last year, with just about all the serious competition having to come to Baton Rouge.

And of course the old "reloading not rebuilding" bromide.

I'll dissent from this popular view. I'd estimate the Tigers to finish lower than 7th in the national ranking. Maybe not even in the Top Ten.

Granted the D looks solid. But they lose the heart of the secondary with both starters gone, including the best D back in college last year (Landry).

Three offensive stars gone in Round One of the NFL draft, including the QB, picked first. I understand Flynn is not a bum, but he was second fiddle last year for a reason.

While I don't think the Tiger WR picked in Rd 1 by San Diego was worthy of the honor, it's beside the point.The offense will be off several notches. It has to be.

Add to that the major loss of one of the best Off Coordinators in the biz, Jimbo Fischer, lured to Fla St by a lot of long green.

I'm thinking that LSU will lose one of their early home games, to either Va Tech or S. Carolina. And depending on the posted total in those game the Under will be worth a look.

JMO

I Believe LSU will have a greats season. But to run the SEC gauntlet, you need experience at QB rather than just talent. And they do have a lot of both talent and experience just not at the important role QB.

[linebacker]

Georgia or Alabama look best in a slightly-weaker-than-last-year SEC

I both AL and Ga will improve their season but not first place in the SEC for either programs.

[pags11]

razz,

I'm laying the lumber with them in week one as well, but they ain't better than USC...

[Razz]

razz,

I'm laying the lumber with them in week one as well, but they ain't better than USC...

Typical clueless west coast bias. LSU is better or equal at every position. I think all the talk about SC is funny, they're a very flawed team. I can't wait until they go to Nebraska and get their asses handed to them. I'll talk to you tomorrow night donkey.

[prickbeater101]

Pags I must agree with Razz on this one. I cannot see just yet how anyone can say LSU is not better than USC or vice versa. Granted with all the teams in the country, USC would be the one I feared the most. They are very,very good and from what I have been reading, some are predicting this to be the best USC team ever!! Thats saying a ton with all the teams they had over the years. Yes, expectations are high here in Baton Rouge and they still must play the games and take care of business, but should they go undefeated as well as USC, there is no amount of money that would keep me out of the Superdome this year!! As I remember there is still some unfinished business we have with USC.......

[pags11]

razz, haha...wasn't it you that was pissed he bet against USC in the bowl game?...dude, they are equal in every position but one...coaching...Pete Carroll and his staffwill out gameplan miles and his revolving door of assistant coaches any day of the week...you'll see as well prickbeater...

[prickbeater101]

There is little doubt that they better coaches, for that I will agree. Miles has a tendancy to get conservative at the wrong time and that has come back to bite him in the a**. I cannot argue that point.......

[Razz]

razz, haha...wasn't it you that was pissed he bet against USC in the bowl game?...dude, they are equal in every position but one...coaching...Pete Carroll and his staffwill out gameplan miles and his revolving door of assistant coaches any day of the week...you'll see as well prickbeater...

We'll start with the most inane part of this, and progress from there.

I love how SC and LSU are equal at every position. Really? LSU has enormous advantages at FB, WR, D-Line, and DBs, and they have better RBs and special teams too. SC has better TEs. Everything else is pretty equal, I guess, though LSU has arguably the best LB in the nation (but SC may be deeper), and I would much rather have Matt Flynn than John David Booty.

For that matter, what position does SC have an advantage over Nebraska? I'm telling you right now, it's not a matter of if Nebraska beats SC, it's by how much.

Pete Carroll is one of the worst in-game coaches in college football. This is not debatable. People see his record and assume he is a very good head coach. He's an excellent recruiter and motivator, but it's not a coincidence that SC loses almost every close game they play. Most weeks they show up and overwhelm the opposition with their raw talent. When they don't, they lose. Five years ago, anyone who watched the NFL with regularity would have said he was the worst coach of the '90s. He got owned by Karl Dorrell, Mike Riley, and Dirk Koetter last year. Those were three of the worst 20 coaches in the country.

When LSU goes 11-1/12-0 and SC goes 9-3 and Carroll is kicking himself for not taking the Chargers to the Super Bowl, we'll go ahead and remember this thread.

[pags11]

I like it when you get cocky before the Trojans take the field, only to have them demolish their opponents and your criticsm...LSU does NOT have better talent than USC in any position, nor do they have the depth that SC does...

and comparing Carroll's NFL coaching career to his pro career is apples and oranges...so I guess Nick Saban's terrible then?

and just like after USC whipped Michigan's ass (even though you said it would be the other way around), we will remember this thread after the Trojans win it all...

[imgv94]

We'll start with the most inane part of this, and progress from there.

I love how SC and LSU are equal at every position. Really? LSU has enormous advantages at FB, WR, D-Line, and DBs, and they have better RBs and special teams too. SC has better TEs. Everything else is pretty equal, I guess, though LSU has arguably the best LB in the nation (but SC may be deeper), and I would much rather have Matt Flynn than John David Booty.

For that matter, what position does SC have an advantage over Nebraska? I'm telling you right now, it's not a matter of if Nebraska beats SC, it's by how much.

Pete Carroll is one of the worst in-game coaches in college football. This is not debatable. People see his record and assume he is a very good head coach. He's an excellent recruiter and motivator, but it's not a coincidence that SC loses almost every close game they play. Most weeks they show up and overwhelm the opposition with their raw talent. When they don't, they lose. Five years ago, anyone who watched the NFL with regularity would have said he was the worst coach of the '90s. He got owned by Karl Dorrell, Mike Riley, and Dirk Koetter last year. Those were three of the worst 20 coaches in the country.

When LSU goes 11-1/12-0 and SC goes 9-3 and Carroll is kicking himself for not taking the Chargers to the Super Bowl, we'll go ahead and remember this thread.

Razz this is your worst performance yet. WOW

Shame on you Razz..

[Razz]

I like it when you get cocky before the Trojans take the field, only to have them demolish their opponents and your criticsm...LSU does NOT have better talent than USC in any position, nor do they have the depth that SC does...

and comparing Carroll's NFL coaching career to his pro career is apples and oranges...so I guess Nick Saban's terrible then?

and just like after USC whipped Michigan's ass (even though you said it would be the other way around), we will remember this thread after the Trojans win it all...

I never said I thought Michigan would beat SC, just that Michigan was basically a road favorite made me feel the oddsmakers were saying Michigan was the play.

Please explain how LSU doesn't have better players at the positions I listed.

[BuddyBear]

This LSU/MSU has the makings of one of those games where after the game we see thread titles (mostly on Covers):

How did I get suckered into this game
Les Miles should be fired
LSU is very overrated
Officials giving the game away to MSU backers

Just a feeling.....

[pags11]

or it could read:

-god damn why didn't I bet more on this game?
-Ryan Perriloux is ten times the QB Hennig is and he's LSU's back up?
-even the refs can't fix this one, LSU is just too damn good.
-LSU covers vs. MSU...again.

[dave11486]

or it could read:

-god damn why didn't I bet more on this game?

People will be betting whatever they have available on LSU haha. That is why I agree with BB. I don't know if I can logically explain this one, but something can't be right with this spread.

[pags11]

time will tell Dave...

[imgv94]

pags

Would you be floored if LSU won by less than 7?

[pags11]

yes, I would, but don't trick me into giving you advice on a teaser...hahahahha...you the man imgv...

[austintx05]

pags - I'm gonna get you to take miss st..hahah

LSU wins 24-10 ...you heard it here first

[pags11]

I'm thinking more like 35-10 but I've been wrong before...

[ritehook]

Most of the preseason prognosticators are picking LSU to finish 2nd or 3rd in the final, January rankings.

They do understand the personnel losses but cite the fact that most of the superior defense is back. And that the schedule is easier than last year, with just about all the serious competition having to come to Baton Rouge.

And of course the old "reloading not rebuilding" bromide.

I'll dissent from this popular view. I'd estimate the Tigers to finish lower than 7th in the national ranking. Maybe not even in the Top Ten.

Granted the D looks solid. But they lose the heart of the secondary with both starters gone, including the best D back in college last year (Landry).

Three offensive stars gone in Round One of the NFL draft, including the QB, picked first. I understand Flynn is not a bum, but he was second fiddle last year for a reason.

While I don't think the Tiger WR picked in Rd 1 by San Diego was worthy of the honor, it's beside the point.The offense will be off several notches. It has to be.

Add to that the major loss of one of the best Off Coordinators in the biz, Jimbo Fischer, lured to Fla St by a lot of long green.

I'm thinking that LSU will lose one of their early home games, to either Va Tech or S. Carolina. And depending on the posted total in those game the Under will be worth a look.

JMO

Note I didn't say last August that LSU was bad ---- just overrated. With parity a fact now in Div 1-A football, be suspicious of all preseason hype.

I was wrong about them losing one of the early games (tho V Tech, now that the tragedy is in the rear window, might well beat them if played again). But will stick to the view that they'll finish no better than 8th, by losing their bowl game.

Of course, if I were a gentlemen, I wouldn't resurrect this post at all.

But a gent I ain't.

As my ol' pappy said when I was knee-hi, "Son, you ain' got much in this here ol' life, doan make it worse by bein' a gennulman."

Thanks, dad.

[imgv94]

Good bump ritehook. you were on point