No Playoff for the Big 10

[BigdaddyQH]

With Ohio State's chances of winning the Big 10 Championship basically out the window, the Big 10's chances of placing a team in the playoff also goes basically out the window. The reason is simple. In the Big 10 East, Michigan State now becomes the overwhelming favorite. Unless they trip up at Penn State at the end of the year, they really should have no problem running the Big 10 Conference schedule that they have. There is just one little problem facing MSU. A trip to Eugene to play Oregon. MSU loses that game. Not too much doubt about that.

Now we go West. Iowa certainly has the easiest schedule, playing contenders Wisconsin and Nebraska at home. Unfortunately, they are on back to back weeks. Is it reasonable to think that they can win both of those games, and then the CC game a week later? Probably not. Nebraska is next, but they get Michigan State and Northwestern back to back on the road in October, and also go to Wisconsin and Iowa in November. They will not survive that schedule. Wisconsin is last, and they seem to have a personnel advantage. Wisky must play Nebraska and then go to Iowa back to back n November. They also must open the season against LSU. A loss to LSU gives Wisconsin the same problem that a loss to Oregon gives Michigan State.

I think that Michigan State will win the Big 10 championship, but will be odd man out in the playoff if the winners of the ACC (Florida State), Big 12 (Oklahoma), Pac 12 (Oregon), and SEC (LSU. How about that for a long shot) have one loss or less.

[bob6199]

With Ohio State's chances of winning the Big 10 Championship basically out the window, the Big 10's chances of placing a team in the playoff also goes basically out the window. The reason is simple. In the Big 10 East, Michigan State now ecomes the overwhelming favorite. Unless they trip up at Penn State at the end of the year, they really should have no problem running the Big 10 Conference schedule that they have. There is just one little problem facing MSU. A trip to Eugene to play Oregon. MSU loses that game. Not too much doubt about that.

Now we go West. iowa certainly has the easiest schedule, playing contenders Wisconsin and Nebraska at home. Unfortunately, they are on back to back weeks. Is it reasonable to think that they can win both of those games, and then the CC game a week later? Probably not. Nebraska is next, but they get Michigan State and Northwestern back to back on the road in October, and also go to Wisconsin and Iowa in November. They will not survive that schedule. Wisconsin is last, and they seem to have a personnel advantage. Wisky must play Nebraska and then go to Iowa back to back n November. They also must open the season against LSU. A loss to LSU gives Wisconsin the same problem that a loss to Oregon gives Michigan State.

I think that Michigan State will win the Big 10 championship, but will be odd man out in the playoff if the winners of the ACC (Florida State), Big 12 (Oklahoma), Pac 12 (Oregon), and SEC (LSU. How about that for a long shot) have one loss or less.

MSU has a great chance of beating Oregon, Oregon can't match physical teams to say that is a stupid thing to say. MSU plus the points is going to be one of the biggest plays i may ever make, MSU is a top 5 team and if they didn't screw up last year against Norte Dame they would have gone undefeated and have 13 of those guys coming back. Oregon is over hyped all year along with Ohio State but yet big physical teams beat them every year.

[Vegas39]

MSU has a great chance of beating Oregon, Oregon can't match physical teams to say that is a stupid thing to say. MSU plus the points is going to be one of the biggest plays i may ever make, MSU is a top 5 team and if they didn't screw up last year against Norte Dame they would have gone undefeated and have 13 of those guys coming back. Oregon is over hyped all year along with Ohio State but yet big physical teams beat them every year.

Michigan St lost 5 starters on D and don't see them as a top 5 team. They may cover as think the 14 a bit high but don't see them winning. Then again I'm biased

[BigdaddyQH]

MSU has a great chance of beating Oregon, Oregon can't match physical teams to say that is a stupid thing to say. MSU plus the points is going to be one of the biggest plays i may ever make, MSU is a top 5 team and if they didn't screw up last year against Norte Dame they would have gone undefeated and have 13 of those guys coming back. Oregon is over hyped all year along with Ohio State but yet big physical teams beat them every year.

The MSU-Oregon gamee will be one of your biggest LOSSES you have ever played. Oregon is way too fast for Michigan State. Oregon had problems with a Stanford team who has played them every season. Michigan State has NEVER played a team with that kind of speed. Their defense, wich loses 6 players, will be gassed by half time. Oregon's regular season non-con recurd for the past 9 years is 24-3. Those 3 losses were against LSU and twice to Boise State. They are also 12-1 ATS in the 2nd of two straight home games. The Big 10 is a SLOW conference. This is why they get beat in so many Bowl games. No Big 10 team will be in the Top 4. Michigan State will be behind Florida State, Alabama, Oregon, and Oklahoma for sure, and possibly Auburn, LSU, UCLA, and Baylor.

[survive]

Michigan St lost 5 starters on D and don't see them as a top 5 team. They may cover as think the 14 a bit high but don't see them winning. Then again I'm biased

MSU defense actually might be better than last year. As bob already said Oregon struggles vs physical teams, this won't be easy for Oregon. Narduzzi is going to have this defense ready

[BigdaddyQH]

MSU defense actually might be better than last year. As bob already said Oregon struggles vs physical teams, this won't be easy for Oregon. Narduzzi is going to have this defense ready

How can he have his defense ready when he has no one to practice against? He has no speed at all on that team. You guys think that just because Oregon has lost a couple of games to Stanford, they cannot play against physical teams. WRONG. All that shows is that Stanford has their number. This is why you guys lose so much money. You take a fact and blow it all out of porportion. Notre Dame defeated Michigan State 3 times in a row and 4 out of their last 5 games. Notre Dame is probbly the fastest team that MSU has played in several years. So I guess Michigan State has no chance against Oregon because they are a fast team. That makes about as much sense as your comments about Oregon and Stanford.

[Vegas39]

How can he have his defense ready when he has no one to practice against? He has no speed at all on that team. You guys think that just because Oregon has lost a couple of games to Stanford, they cannot play against physical teams. WRONG. All that shows is that Stanford has their number. This is why you guys lose so much money. You take a fact and blow it all out of porportion. Notre Dame defeated Michigan State 3 times in a row and 4 out of their last 5 games. Notre Dame is probbly the fastest team that MSU has played in several years. So I guess Michigan State has no chance against Oregon because they are a fast team. That makes about as much sense as your comments about Oregon and Stanford.

Beat me to it , there has been one physical team to beat them the last two years

[bob6199]

MSU defense actually might be better than last year. As bob already said Oregon struggles vs physical teams, this won't be easy for Oregon. Narduzzi is going to have this defense ready

Narduzzi is a top 5 coordinator in the football, and Mich state will be fine with their speed, i don't know if they can win, but they will for sure stay within the spread, it will be one of the biggest plays i ever make, and i know it will hit.

[Vegas39]

Narduzzi is a top 5 coordinator in the football, and Mich state will be fine with their speed, i don't know if they can win, but they will for sure stay within the spread, it will be one of the biggest plays i ever make, and i know it will hit.

lets hope you cap CFB better than hockey then

[bob6199]

lets hope you cap CFB better than hockey then

good 2 know u remember that, i'll go back and find when you missed on a play and hope you cap better then that play....

[Vegas39]

good 2 know u remember that, i'll go back and find when you missed on a play and hope you cap better then that play....

was up 15 K during playoffs so better luck next time bobby

Since your biggest bet how much you laying that MSU covers

[bob6199]

was up 15 K during playoffs so better luck next time bobby

and i was up in the world cup, but missed on some plays just like in hockey and just like you missed plays too, good to know you are 100% on all your plays

[bob6199]

was up 15 K during playoffs so better luck next time bobby

Since your biggest bet how much you laying that MSU covers

probably 10 units and i rarely even go up to 5 units let alone 10. So for me this is bigger then what i should be betting, but i'm more confident in this play then any other play i have done in a long time, i'll probably put 0.5 units on the ML too

[Vegas39]

Just my opinion but many better games to lay large bets on compared to this one. Can MSU cover sure but far from a slam dunk

[survive]

How can he have his defense ready when he has no one to practice against? He has no speed at all on that team. You guys think that just because Oregon has lost a couple of games to Stanford, they cannot play against physical teams. WRONG. All that shows is that Stanford has their number. This is why you guys lose so much money. You take a fact and blow it all out of porportion. Notre Dame defeated Michigan State 3 times in a row and 4 out of their last 5 games. Notre Dame is probbly the fastest team that MSU has played in several years. So I guess Michigan State has no chance against Oregon because they are a fast team. That makes about as much sense as your comments about Oregon and Stanford.

Wow..."all that shows is that Stanford has their number" really? Maybe it means YOU DONT NEED SPEED TO BEAT SPEED

[Vegas39]

Wow..."all that shows is that Stanford has their number" really? Maybe it means YOU DONT NEED SPEED TO BEAT SPEED

other physical teams like UCLA last year couldn't do it

[survive]

Beat me to it , there has been one physical team to beat them the last two years

Because no other team in the PAC 12 really plays like Stanford

[Vegas39]

Because no other team in the PAC 12 really plays like Stanford

Think UCLA defense was just as physical with Barr last year. We will see how MSU D look they had to replace half the defense. This will be their toughest test all year

[BigdaddyQH]

Narduzzi is a top 5 coordinator in the football, and Mich state will be fine with their speed, i don't know if they can win, but they will for sure stay within the spread, it will be one of the biggest plays i ever make, and i know it will hit.

This is a perfect example of why people like yourself lose so much money. You base your wagers on what YOU think will happen, not what the experts think will happen. Just how many practices at Oregon have you seen this season? How many Oregon games did you see last season? What makes you an expert? This is nothing more than your typical Big 10 desperation talk now. Do you even have an idea of what the number is going to be? If so, tell me what you think it will be.

[survive]

Think UCLA defense was just as physical with Barr last year. We will see how MSU D look they had to replace half the defense. This will be their toughest test all year

Secondary should be pretty good despite losing dennard. Lost 2 starting lbs but the lb core should still remain quite good, we always have a solid core. D line should be the best we've had in a long time...Calhoun and rush are going to have big years at DE. I do worry playing in the hostile environment at Autzen

[BigdaddyQH]

Do any of you Michigan State/Big 10 fans think that either Michigan State or Wisconsin can qualify for the playoffs if they lose to Oregon and LSU, even by 1 point? Apparently ESPN does not think so. Acording to ESPN's Mark Schlabach the Big 10 could be finished as a Playoff Contending Conference by mid September. I thinkt that this is a rather strong statement made by an ESPN reporter. You know ESPN. The people who are footing the bill for the playoffs. Just sayin...

[Vegas39]

Just my opinion, but don't think a loss at Oregon kills MSU title chances . They'd have to run table but doubt we see 4 undefeated teams in that playoff

[BigdaddyQH]

Just my opinion, but don't think a loss at Oregon kills MSU title chances . They'd have to run table but doubt we see 4 undefeated teams in that playoff

I sincerely do not think that there will be four teams that run the table. I do think that if Michigan State wins the Big 10 title, and a 1 loss Oregon wins the Pac 12 title, Michigan State loses out because no one wants to see a rematch (the committee made that rather clear) and Oregon won the meeting between the two. The same holds true for any other conference winner with one loss. As long as a team has not lost to a team that is also in the running for the playoffs, they are O.K. If a team has lost to another team that is in the running, that team is toast. This is how immportant that Michigan State-Oregon game may be.

[Vegas39]

I sincerely do not think that there will be four teams that run the table. I do think that if Michigan State wins the Big 10 title, and a 1 loss Oregon wins the Pac 12 title, Michigan State loses out because no one wants to see a rematch (the committee made that rather clear) and Oregon won the meeting between the two. The same holds true for any other conference winner with one loss. As long as a team has not lost to a team that is also in the running for the playoffs, they are O.K. If a team has lost to another team that is in the running, that team is toast. This is how immportant that Michigan State-Oregon game may be.

Really depends who is there with one loss and more importantly who that loss was to. Not sold on OU or anyone in Big 12 making it

[McDabs]

Good thing I snagged MSU +500 last night to win Big10