NOLES vs WAR EAGLE

Semper Fidelis · 12-08-13, 12:11 AM

I honestly hope FSU is favored by that much--only makes the Auburn ML that much better! I unloaded my entire account when they were underdogs a few years back against Oregon at +150, and I'll do the same this time. I won't even take the points, I'm that confident in Auburn. They are a team of destiny, plain and simple. You can't get much luckier than they've been this year. They needed all the cards to fall exactly right, and everything did just that. FSU has never seen a defense anywhere near as good as Auburn's (banged up Florida being closest), and on top of that they have not played anybody at all. Auburn ML all day here boys, they will win it all. Interested to see everyone else's thoughts on this one.

jablo1312 · 12-08-13, 12:18 AM

Anywhere as good as Auburn's?!?!? Did you watch their D play tonight? Did you watch their D get bailed out by missed field goal after missed field goal against Bama. Have you seen FSU's wrecking ball of an offense? I'm genuinely curious- do you believe in something like "a team of destiny"? Like do you think God or some higher power is up there pulling string to make sure that this team wins the national title? Because logically, claiming that "you can't get much luckier than they've been this year" makes me more prone to pick against them, because luck is random and not biased towards Auburn or anybody else. Further, FSU did play, and destroyed, Clemson, who beat Georgia, who Auburn needed the luckiest play of the decade to beat. FSU by 2+ scores.

boss_of_um · 12-08-13, 12:20 AM

FSU has the benefit of the 'Heisman Jinx' being dead and gone now. Winston should throw for 400+ yards easy. Any total Under 60 should get pounded.

indio · 12-08-13, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Semper Fidelis

FSU has never seen a defense anywhere near as good as Auburn's (banged up Florida being closest), and on top of that they have not played anybody at all. Auburn ML all day here boys, they will win it all. Interested to see everyone else's thoughts on this one.

A defense as good as Auburn's? Did you watch any Auburn games this year? They don't have a defense. The only teams that didn't go up and down the field on them was Florida Atlantic and Western Carolina. Heck, they even made Arkansas' offense look good, and that's hard to do. They have a tremendous O-Line and a awesome ground attack, but I'm sorry, their defense isn't a strength in any way.

I agree with you that FSU hasn't played anybody, and who knows how the game will play out, but until the NCAA gets rid of the greedy old guard and joins this century and gives us an 8 team playoff of conference champs, I'll hardly care who wins a phony so called "national championship" game.

Pivotpoint · 12-08-13, 12:33 AM

Auburn D gives up a lot of points.

Seminole D big, fast and stingy.

I'm still shocked about how both Bama and Mizzu, couldn't stop War Eagle. Hats off to Auburn . Tigers basically running three different rushing plays. I'm sure they will have some new tricks.

Have to think Noles load the box and dare Aub to beat them in the air. I still can't believe Mizzu stuck with a 3 man line to stop run. If Aub blitzes and brings linebackers up into the gaps, Winston will make them pay. Screens and then deep.

Semper Fidelis · 12-08-13, 12:41 AM

I was going to say Parlay the ML with the Over, or the points with the Over if you don't feel like being a man.

Jablo, please don't start with the "FSU beat Clemson" bull. Clemson was the only team FSU played, and they weren't that good anyway. That same "amazing" Clemson team was slaughtered once again by a down USC team. It is hilarious when people try using the "team A beat team B, who beat team C, so therefore team A will beat team C" logic. It is very flawed, and more times than not team C ends up beating team A-I can name at least 3 instances where that happened this season.

Bottom line is, if FSU were in the SEC they'd have at least one or two losses, everyone can agree on that. Pretty funny how there have only been 4 instances since the BCS was instituted in 1998 where the SEC team that won was undefeated--1999 Tennessee, 2010 Bama, 2011 Auburn, and 2013 Bama. All the other 5 times the SEC team that won had at least one loss (the 2008 Tigers had two losses). Sure it's easy to go undefeated when you have a cupcake schedule like FSU's. This will be the Noles first real game, as Auburn is clearly on a whole different level than Clemson. Don't waste your money on FSU guys, trust me. FSU may keep it close for 2 or 3 quarters, but ultimately in the end Auburn will pull away.

Pivotpoint · 12-08-13, 12:58 AM

Going into Death valley at night and scalping Tigers was a big win. Clemson was on fire and never the same after that beat down.

Admit that Auburn is on fire. Defense wins championships and believe FSU has superior Defense.

Noles will hang a bunch of points on Tigers.

Can Tigers hang a bunch of points on Noles? Not so sure. Bama looked off in Auburn game. Saban really made some bad choices, FG kicker sucked. Still shocked over Mizzu defensive game plan.

Semper Fidelis · 12-08-13, 01:05 AM

And for those of you wanting to hate on Auburn's D, do you think that Auburn allowing only 7 pts, a single TD, in the 2nd half of the Iron Bowl last weekend had something to do with their victory? Of course Bama missed some field goals or had them blocked or whatever, but did you ever question why they were forced to attempt a field goal in the first place and couldn't get a TD every time they penetrated the red zone? Not to mention the couple times in the 2nd half when Saban decided to go for it on 4th and short, and Auburn's D stood them up. In fact if you examine their games a little more closely, you'll see that this team is a good parallel of the team that won it all in 2010. In that season Auburn's defense would always make their adjustments and come back out in the 2nd half and allow much fewer points. Look at this season--there are only 2 meaningful games where their D allowed more points in the 2nd half than the 1st. Is this team as good as the 2010 Auburn team that won it all? Of course not, the Cam Newton offense and that amazing defense was better than this current team. Is Auburn's defense the best in the country? Of course not, FSU will certainly score on them just as Mizzou did. However, their D will continue to be underestimated, which will only fall into their favor even more. I'm not saying FSU won't put up some numbers on Auburn; I know they will. But I'd be willing to bet that whatever Auburn does in the 1st half with be looked at and readjusted for the 2nd half and Auburn will better be able to contain Winston and that offense. Overall it should be a great game, as I believe Auburn is the only team that can actually give FSU a run for their money (other than Bama of course). Hate we have to wait over a month for the big game, but you better believe they will be prepared for each other!

Semper Fidelis · 12-08-13, 01:12 AM

I agree Pivot, FSU winning in Death Valley was a huge win, especially for how badly they scalped them. Clemson fell apart after that, and weren't the same team at all, you could tell they lost their drive, like FSU took their souls. I love discussing ball with you because I value what you have to say buddy, one of the few on here who really knows what they're talking about!

I agree that FSU D may be better than Auburn's, but I just feel like Auburn will make the adjustments like they do every game. It's just a matter of whether or not FSU will be able to improvise and change their gameplan if Auburn does a better job at containing their offense. Very much looking forward to this game, as I think we can all agree this one will be much better than Ohio State. I'm so glad Ohio State didn't make it, because I strongly believe they would've lost no matter who they played, whether that was FSU, Auburn, or Mizzou.

Semper Fidelis · 12-08-13, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by indio

A defense as good as Auburn's? Did you watch any Auburn games this year? They don't have a defense. The only teams that didn't go up and down the field on them was Florida Atlantic and Western Carolina. Heck, they even made Arkansas' offense look good, and that's hard to do. They have a tremendous O-Line and a awesome ground attack, but I'm sorry, their defense isn't a strength in any way.

I agree with you that FSU hasn't played anybody, and who knows how the game will play out, but until the NCAA gets rid of the greedy old guard and joins this century and gives us an 8 team playoff of conference champs, I'll hardly care who wins a phony so called "national championship" game.

This might be the best quote here so far my man. Not the one about Arkansas (Auburn only allowed 17 points, one of the only games in which they allowed more points in the 2nd half than the 1st lol), but the one about the playoff system. We can all agree that we are moving in the right direction with the 4-team playoff system being implemented next season. I agree whole-heartedly though that isn't enough, there should be at least an 8-team playoff. It isn't fair to all these good 1 and even 2-loss teams who deserve a chance to prove their mettle. FBS is the only sport, college or pro, that doesn't utilize a playoff system. FCS has been doing it for years, why can't FBS as well? That will always be the only fair way to ever decide a championship. Until then a 1 or probably even 2-loss power conference team will always be picked over an undefeated Nortern Illinois, Boise State, or Fresno for one of those 4 slots. No cinderellas will ever have a chance to win it all like in the NCAA basketball tournament. Besides, it's what we want to see. Who wouldn't want to see Michigan State/Baylor or Stanford/Mizzou or Ohio St/Oklahoma St? Just randomly picking teams in the top 10, and there would be some good matchups! Hopefully there will be 6 undefeated teams or 8 one-loss teams next year that will force them to expand the 4-team format sooner rather than later.

indio · 12-09-13, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by Semper Fidelis

Not the one about Arkansas (Auburn only allowed 17 points, one of the only games in which they allowed more points in the 2nd half than the 1st lol)

I watched a lot of that game, Arkansas went up and down the field on them (they had 25 first downs). They were inside the Auburn 10 two times but didn't score any points because they suck. Points are not everything when judging a defense or how it played. Auburn constantly blows coverages and leaves people wide open, because they just don't have the talent in those areas this year. They do have some good defensive players, but not enough of them.

Let's be honest about college football. Practically every defense sucks these days, because that's the way the game is developed now. College teams in the whole country with above average defenses can be counted on 2 hands.

Pivotpoint · 12-09-13, 12:25 PM

College Football Defense, even the Pro's, is really starting to slide.

Part of it is creative Offensive schemes. Technology today allows one to see and quickly adjust strategies on the fly. Speed is a big issue also.

Part of the problem with Defense these days is the "I" factor. No "I" in team, but some of these clowns that play now would argue otherwise. Many players are selfish, care about stats, highlights. Will cheat or abandon gap, contain,coverage. Lack discipline, and very poor tackling skills. They only care about "me" , but heck, most of society today is the same. Pride, respect are things of the past.

You don't see a lot of guys anymore with proper head placement, solid wrap and and driving legs and following through with the tackle. Maybe it's the speed of O's that require smaller speed guys in the secondary? I hate to see what they call tackles when they just dive at guys legs. Penetrating pussies.

I do really like FSU defense that flys to the ball, gang tackles. They have a bunch of guys on that side of the ball that will play on Sunday. Auburn maybe 2 or 3 tops. Believe FSU will shut down one dimensional attack from Tigers. Defense wins Championships.