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    I'll tell you why I'm staying away from the Hawaii game

    I was gonna bet this game Friday night ... but after getting into the guts of these teams, I can't help but think that Hawaii may have thrown the UNLV game. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but it just doesn't make sense that Hawaii could possibly lose that game. But they did. And they did it by losing four fumbles, which is how you throw a game without raising suspicion.

    Follow me here...UNLV is #113 in offense and #118 in defense. Pretty much they are the worst team at the FBS level. Hawaii is #25 in total offense. They should have wiped the field with the Rebels. But they lost in brutal fashion in Las Vegas.

    And if Hawaii didn't throw the game, then they lost to the worst team in FBS by 20 points.

    Now, I understand there was some other stuff going on...Hawaii stayed on the West Coast that week from the Washington game and lived out of their bags for a week. So maybe they were just horribly flat for that game. Or...maybe some of the Hawaii players were contacted about a fix either while they were in Washington or before they ever left Hawaii. I don't know, but it is very suspicious.

    The bottom line is that the UNLV game is the crucial piece to how I handicap this San Jose State matchup. If I consider the UNLV loss to be legitimate, then Hawaii shouldn't be favored by more than 2 points vs SJSU. If it was not a legitimate loss and was either a thrown game or just a flat week, then Hawaii should be favored by 7.

    Bottom line, I'm staying away, especially with Hawaii coming in off the bye. We don't know what we'll see tomorrow.

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    Anything made on USC will be lost. Count it.

    Its all set up. Still hard to put money on SJSU. Take a small play on the Money line or dont take them at all. Thats my advice

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    @ Machine Choice,
    Good post, and I agree with you totally, and that is why I chose to stay away from it. That UNLV game still haunts me whenever I think about playing Hawaii on the mainland.

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    Machine!! First of all great call on San Diego State tonite, your Locks are money!!! As for the Hawaii thing against UNLV, they did spend a whole 7 days in Las Vegas. The coaches go on a recruting binge during the week and the players (most have some kind of tides in Las Vegas) are left to hang out with family and friends who live here. UNLV SUCKS!!! this year more than any other year i lived here, however my rule of thumb is to take them at home no matter who they play and bet against them on the road. It's the same thing when teams go to Hawaii, good teams struggle and crappy teams get their ass kicked. I'm not gonna bet the game, but the same rule applies to San Jose as it does in Las Vegas, alot of the players have family and friends except this time they dont have a whole week to goof around. No play for me no matter how much I be tempted to do so but best of luck to those who do. Hawaii on paper is simply the better team. Keep up the gret work this weekend and best of luck to all

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    Machine I was hoping you come out with a lock tonight so I can think about going with it or not! If you was to pick a side or the total of the game what would your lean be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by artist View Post
    Machine I was hoping you come out with a lock tonight so I can think about going with it or not! If you was to pick a side or the total of the game what would your lean be?
    Sorry, not happening with this game. I should have two plays for Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machine Choice View Post
    Sorry, not happening with this game. I should have two plays for Saturday.
    Bol on Saturday then get money...!

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    betting hawaii---the win here!

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    Why not bet SJSU then?

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    they have to win or people will know its fixed!

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    Thanx for that insightful writup.

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    Las Vegas is considered the ninth island with lots of Hawaiians living there. The whole Hawaii/UNLV game had a stigma about it and UNLV was pretty fired up about it. UNLV has been a really good home dog over the past few years and Hawaii just cam into that game thinking they could just show up and win.

    I think the win over LA tech shows more who this Hawaii team really is. Still a weird game tonight and line movement in this one doesn't support a big play on Hawaii.

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    You think something fishy happened with a Nevada-Las Vegas game?



    UNLV is the king of the bizarre cover. They'll probably do it again this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by og4667 View Post
    Las Vegas is considered the ninth island with lots of Hawaiians living there. The whole Hawaii/UNLV game had a stigma about it and UNLV was pretty fired up about it. UNLV has been a really good home dog over the past few years and Hawaii just cam into that game thinking they could just show up and win.

    I think the win over LA tech shows more who this Hawaii team really is. Still a weird game tonight and line movement in this one doesn't support a big play on Hawaii.

    I dont get it either was at Hawaii -7...the public pounds hawaii and then the line goes to -5.5? why would vegas want everyone to bet on hawaii?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machine Choice View Post
    Sorry, not happening with this game. I should have two plays for Saturday.
    Did you see the game, fumbles, and how they occurred? No reason to think Hawaii will throw this game on tv and American soil, much easier games they could cheat on in Hawaii like the basketball games.

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    Two words

    Over 56

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    Agree with the over 56.

    Friday night WAC action on ESPN will go over.

    Reason,

    ESPN wants to keep you degenerates that gamble on anything sitting on the couch pounding beers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmackdownV View Post
    Agree with the over 56.

    Friday night WAC action on ESPN will go over.

    Reason,

    ESPN wants to keep you degenerates that gamble on anything sitting on the couch pounding beers.
    Love the over 56.
    Got it parlayed, straight up, teased down to 49 (7pts).............

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    I think it will go over too. I handicapped it to 62 total points.

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    Alot of the Hawaii players were getting hammered in Vegas the night before that UNLV game(know a couple people that work in vegas) hard to believe that UNLV still wins that game(which stopped me from betting huge on this game) but a bunch of hungover Hawaii players could contribute to a bad game the next day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Two words

    Over 56
    "over fifty six" is actually three words

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    Love the over here too

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmackdownV View Post
    Agree with the over 56.

    Friday night WAC action on ESPN will go over.

    Reason,

    ESPN wants to keep you degenerates that gamble on anything sitting on the couch pounding beers.
    What up Smack, where u been at???? We have missed U in your NFL thread..........

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    Can't pick a side either. That's why I went with the Over...but I don't feel that great about it.

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    HaHa, five turnovers now for Hawaii in this game...Warrior players are lining their pockets!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machine Choice View Post
    HaHa, five turnovers now for Hawaii in this game...Warrior players are lining their pockets!

    Just wished i bet that ML play... backed out at the last second. Any

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    Good write up but from experience over thinking games is the worst thing to do. Bol this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kp126 View Post
    Anything made on USC will be lost. Count it.

    Its all set up. Still hard to put money on SJSU. Take a small play on the Money line or dont take them at all. Thats my advice

    I hate to go down the black helicopters rabbit hole.

    But I have to admit from that anyone betting on Thursday and Friday night is probably betting a lot on Saturday and Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willieteal View Post
    I hate to go down the black helicopters rabbit hole. But I have to admit from that anyone betting on Thursday and Friday night is probably betting a lot on Saturday and Sunday.
    Looks like i spoke too soon. This reminds me a lot of the ucla sjsu game. SJSU doesnt know how to maintain leads.

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    SHARP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machine Choice View Post
    I was gonna bet this game Friday night ... but after getting into the guts of these teams, I can't help but think that Hawaii may have thrown the UNLV game. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but it just doesn't make sense that Hawaii could possibly lose that game. But they did. And they did it by losing four fumbles, which is how you throw a game without raising suspicion.

    Follow me here...UNLV is #113 in offense and #118 in defense. Pretty much they are the worst team at the FBS level. Hawaii is #25 in total offense. They should have wiped the field with the Rebels. But they lost in brutal fashion in Las Vegas.

    And if Hawaii didn't throw the game, then they lost to the worst team in FBS by 20 points.

    Now, I understand there was some other stuff going on...Hawaii stayed on the West Coast that week from the Washington game and lived out of their bags for a week. So maybe they were just horribly flat for that game. Or...maybe some of the Hawaii players were contacted about a fix either while they were in Washington or before they ever left Hawaii. I don't know, but it is very suspicious.

    The bottom line is that the UNLV game is the crucial piece to how I handicap this San Jose State matchup. If I consider the UNLV loss to be legitimate, then Hawaii shouldn't be favored by more than 2 points vs SJSU. If it was not a legitimate loss and was either a thrown game or just a flat week, then Hawaii should be favored by 7.

    Bottom line, I'm staying away, especially with Hawaii coming in off the bye. We don't know what we'll see tomorrow.
    Sharp

    Kid called it

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    Another great capper that was forced away by the vocal minority. Sad really...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machine Choice View Post
    I was gonna bet this game Friday night ... but after getting into the guts of these teams, I can't help but think that Hawaii may have thrown the UNLV game. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but it just doesn't make sense that Hawaii could possibly lose that game. But they did. And they did it by losing four fumbles, which is how you throw a game without raising suspicion.

    Follow me here...UNLV is #113 in offense and #118 in defense. Pretty much they are the worst team at the FBS level. Hawaii is #25 in total offense. They should have wiped the field with the Rebels. But they lost in brutal fashion in Las Vegas.

    And if Hawaii didn't throw the game, then they lost to the worst team in FBS by 20 points.

    Now, I understand there was some other stuff going on...Hawaii stayed on the West Coast that week from the Washington game and lived out of their bags for a week. So maybe they were just horribly flat for that game. Or...maybe some of the Hawaii players were contacted about a fix either while they were in Washington or before they ever left Hawaii. I don't know, but it is very suspicious.

    The bottom line is that the UNLV game is the crucial piece to how I handicap this San Jose State matchup. If I consider the UNLV loss to be legitimate, then Hawaii shouldn't be favored by more than 2 points vs SJSU. If it was not a legitimate loss and was either a thrown game or just a flat week, then Hawaii should be favored by 7.

    Bottom line, I'm staying away, especially with Hawaii coming in off the bye. We don't know what we'll see tomorrow.

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    They were able to hide it for five weeks. But not from me.

    http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...-investigation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machine Choice View Post
    They were able to hide it for five weeks. But not from me.

    http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...-investigation
    One of the best cappers and sharp guys here. Amazing call.

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