the Joke that is the BCS

[shocka1212]

Florida #2 and Kansas St # 4?

[ZINISTER]

Lou had a good one this weekend. He said take the C Outta BCS and that's what it is. Peace

[slim dog]

Can you please expand on your post and tell us why you disagree? You look like a fool with such a stupid post! I would love to hear your reasoning!

I should add, who do you think should be there and why?

[LT Profits]

Florida #2 and Kansas St # 4?

You are correct. Kansas State should be ranked lower.

[HoulihansTX]

You are correct. Kansas State should be ranked lower.

Golf score lower or batting order lower?

[LT Profits]

Golf score lower or batting order lower?

Batting order lower. I have absolutely no problem with Alabama, Florida, Oregon 1-2-3. Oregon is the best non-SEC team in the country and should be the only non-SEC team in the top 5. I would have it like this:

1-Alabama
2-Florida
3-Oregon
4-South Carolina
5-LSU
6-Notre Dame
7-Kansas State
8-Oklahoma

And furthermore I think that Oklahoma is better than Kansas State, but rate Kansas State ahead of them for now because of the win in Norman. But I think that Oklahoma passes them eventually. I know that LSU beat South Carolina too but that was at home and by only 2 points, so I'd keep Gamecocks slightly ahead with identical records.

[possum11]

3. SC 4. LSU ? SC just got completely dominated on both sides of the ball. One score was on a punt return. One was right after a long interception return. Their only real weapon is their coach.

[LT Profits]

3. SC 4. LSU ? SC just got completely dominated on both sides of the ball. One score was on a punt return. One was right after a long interception return. Their only real weapon is their coach.

Oh after Alabama, I have no problem with putting my 2-3-4-5 teams in any order you choose. That is the next tier after Bama though, its a big drop-off to next group.

[slim dog]

Wow. Lots of sec people on here! They are by far the best conference and have the top teams. But they also have had some really bad losses this year as a conference. Would someone please explain to me what ND has done this year? Very unimpressed! I'll let it e known I'm a big12 fan and a K-Stater. Here are some facts and arguments supporting K-state. Something I'd love to see some of you bring to the table instead of "this team sucks, this teams good, this team has history, bla, bla, bla.

First off, I want to say KSU has one of the better wins this year winning at OU. A place where OU was undefeated playing top 25 teams with stoops. They had a bye week before they played us, how could they not be ready? Now all of a sudden, OU is a great team? Really? Can't wait for them to demolish ND!

On Saturday, K-State becomes the only team in the BCS Top 10 to have faced three BCS Top-25 foes in true road games.
Saturday, K-State & OU will have combined to face 6 BCS Top-25 foes. Alabama, Oregon, Ore St, Notre Dame & USC will have faced 2 combined!!
Count up the Ws. K-State went 10-3 in 2011 and is 6-0 in 2012. All 3 losses to ranked teams. OU last year at home, a 1 pt. loss at OK. St., and a loss in the cotton bowl against Arkansas.
People forget KSU took 2nd last year by themselves only behind Ok. St. Ahead of OU, A&M, Texas, Baylor, TT, Mizz.
I have no problem seeing KSU where they are at. If they go undefeated, which will be a tall task starting this weekend at WV, they should have a shot at the title. I would of loved to see that Alabama vs Ok. St.last year, then see two sec teams play.

Now, go ahead a fire away!

[MTek]

Slim, check your facts before you post - ND has beaten Michigan & Michigan state, both ranked higher then them at the time, then go on and beat a ranked Stanford team this week.
To balance out the arguement LSU has beaten .. in order... North Texas, Washington, Idaho, Auburn, and Towson (barely)
They Lost to Forida and squeaked out a 2 point win this past weekend, and LT thinks they should be ranked higher then Notre Dame ??

Moving on ... South Carolina ... week 2 - East carolina, Week 3 - UAB, week 5 - Kentucky, and the BIG blockbuster game of the year .. their 11th game .... WOFFORD Terriers ....ohhhhhhh

ESPN has everyone drinking the SEC coolaid

[BiffTFinancial]

love it when people freak out over BCS Standings in mid-October. slowly but surely, the process shuts up fans of undeserving teams who pay way too much attention to in-season rankings. WVU and S Carolina got shut up this week, Florida State, LSU, Texas and Georgia last week, and Stanford and Oklahoma got theirs in late September.

these sorts of rankings are completely irrelevant until mid-November and later. they come out early so that people will have something to waste their time discussing. mission accomplished. honestly can't remember the last time that i looked at CFB or CBB rankings, they're a complete waste of time until the end of the season.

as for Florida being #2 and KSU being #4 somehow making the BCS system a "joke," that's hilarious. if you want a sport where half of the teams get into a playoff for the title, watch pretty much any sport other than CFB, they're all completely watered down with meaningless regular seasons (see, e.g., the increased popularity of fantasy football).

[LT Profits]

ESPN has everyone drinking the SEC coolaid

Nothing to do with ESPN and nothing to do with being a "fan". When you play in the best conference in the country, you always get the close decisions in the rankings over teams from other conferences, it is as simple as that. Besides it is still early so this basically means nothing right now.

[BiffTFinancial]

Nothing to do with ESPN and nothing to do with being a "fan". When you play in the best conference in the country, you always get the close decisions in the rankings over teams from other conferences, it is as simple as that. Besides it is still early so this basically means nothing right now.

this is an election year, LT. that means that every event must be explained by some insipid conspiracy theory. the SEC having won every title since before Vince Young even entered the NFL is irrelevant because there must be some insidious media cabal pulling the strings on an entire world of deception. it's as if every person is as deluded as the father in So I Married An Axe Murderer. two word, conspiracy theorists: Occam's Razor.

[slim dog]

Slim, check your facts before you post - ND has beaten Michigan & Michigan state, both ranked higher then them at the time, then go on and beat a ranked Stanford team this week.
To balance out the arguement LSU has beaten .. in order... North Texas, Washington, Idaho, Auburn, and Towson (barely)
They Lost to Forida and squeaked out a 2 point win this past weekend, and LT thinks they should be ranked higher then Notre Dame ??

Moving on ... South Carolina ... week 2 - East carolina, Week 3 - UAB, week 5 - Kentucky, and the BIG blockbuster game of the year .. their 11th game .... WOFFORD Terriers ....ohhhhhhh

ESPN has everyone drinking the SEC coolaid

Read my post before insert your foot in your mouth. My post reads BCS ranked teams. Go read it again.

[LT Profits]

Wow. Lots of sec people on here! They are by far the best conference and have the top teams. But they also have had some really bad losses this year as a conference. Would someone please explain to me what ND has done this year? Very unimpressed! I'll let it e known I'm a big12 fan and a K-Stater. Here are some facts and arguments supporting K-state. Something I'd love to see some of you bring to the table instead of "this team sucks, this teams good, this team has history, bla, bla, bla.

First off, I want to say KSU has one of the better wins this year winning at OU. A place where OU was undefeated playing top 25 teams with stoops. They had a bye week before they played us, how could they not be ready? Now all of a sudden, OU is a great team? Really? Can't wait for them to demolish ND!

On Saturday, K-State becomes the only team in the BCS Top 10 to have faced three BCS Top-25 foes in true road games.
Saturday, K-State & OU will have combined to face 6 BCS Top-25 foes. Alabama, Oregon, Ore St, Notre Dame & USC will have faced 2 combined!!
Count up the Ws. K-State went 10-3 in 2011 and is 6-0 in 2012. All 3 losses to ranked teams. OU last year at home, a 1 pt. loss at OK. St., and a loss in the cotton bowl against Arkansas.
People forget KSU took 2nd last year by themselves only behind Ok. St. Ahead of OU, A&M, Texas, Baylor, TT, Mizz.
I have no problem seeing KSU where they are at. If they go undefeated, which will be a tall task starting this weekend at WV, they should have a shot at the title. I would of loved to see that Alabama vs Ok. St.last year, then see two sec teams play.

Now, go ahead a fire away!

I like to look at things from a gambling perspective and Kansas State would be an underdog on a neural field to all six teams I have ahead of them, and they would even be underdogs again to Oklahoma, albeit smaller than their first meeting when the implied neutral line was OU -12.

[slim dog]

I like to look at things from a gambling perspective and Kansas State would be an underdog on a neural field to all six teams I have ahead of them, and they would even be underdogs again to Oklahoma, albeit smaller than their first meeting when the implied neutral line was OU -12.

I totally agree with you. But I can say, I'm a few dollars richer by betting on KSU the last few years. Everyone said the regression would be this year after winning so many close games last year. Picked 6th in league last year and finished top 10 BCS. Picked 6th again this year behind OU, WV, Texas, tcu, OSU, & Baylor. All 10 teams play each other, not a split league like others.
My thoughts on the sec I've stated. I do however think if you can't be in the top two of your league, and I don't care how good it is, you should be out of the BCS talk. It's all early talk and I believe we will only have one undefeated team left before the bowls and that's Alabama.

[LT Profits]

My thoughts on the sec I've stated. I do however think if you can't be in the top two of your league, and I don't care how good it is, you should be out of the BCS talk.

Well I didn't think that Alabama deserved to be in the championship game last year after not even winning a DIVISION in their conference, but it is what it is. As to your point about only considering the top 2 teams in each conference, I agree but at this point there is no telling who the top two SEC teams will be, so I think it's OK to rank them all now until that shakes out. If Florida wins this week, then you can stick a fork in South Carolina with 2 losses. Things could get VERY interesting if LSU beats Alabama next month and you have a logjam of one-loss teams with LSU again beating Bama in the division. And as an aside, I like Kansas State outright at West Virginia this week.

[MTek]

All things are cyclical and this run by the SEC will soon be a fading memory
Im here to gamble just like everyone else, and due to my age and years of enjoying the sport long before ESPN was even on the air I really don't need anything "explained" to me
I can clearly see that the SEC fills it's schedule with patsies, runs the table and then thumps their chest about how they're the best conference.
I also know that any given hour of any given day I can turn on ESPN and get an earful of SEC news.... funny how Orgon, K-state and ND don't get nearly the air time SEC schools do
Although ND is probably to blame for this since they're the 1st school to break tradition and sign an independent contract with a major network, so other confrences had to follow suit ... the SEC got ESPN,... fair enough

My hope is the SEC teams cancel each other out and someone, Oregon, ND, K-state, USC, can face an SEC team so we don't get another re-match of 1 loss SEC teams playing each other again

[LT Profits]

All things are cyclical and this run by the SEC will soon be a fading memory
Im here to gamble just like everyone else, and due to my age and years of enjoying the sport long before ESPN was even on the air I really don't need anything "explained" to me
I can clearly see that the SEC fills it's schedule with patsies, runs the table and then thumps their chest about how they're the best conference.
I also know that any given hour of any given day I can turn on ESPN and get an earful of SEC news.... funny how Orgon, K-state and ND don't get nearly the air time SEC schools do
Although ND is probably to blame for this since they're the 1st school to break tradition and sign an independent contract with a major network, so other confrences had to follow suit ... the SEC got ESPN,... fair enough

My hope is the SEC teams cancel each other out and someone, Oregon, ND, K-state, USC, can face an SEC team so we don't get another re-match of 1 loss SEC teams playing each other again

You keep harping on ESPN, yet I never watch ESPN except for live games and am being totally objective when I say the SEC is the best conference RIGHT NOW and will be until proven otherwise. Yes they pad their schedules, but so do many other conferences, but at the end of the day it is the SEC that had five straight championships. And I bet I have been on this earth for more years than you have.

[Da Manster!]

All things are cyclical and this run by the SEC will soon be a fading memory
Im here to gamble just like everyone else, and due to my age and years of enjoying the sport long before ESPN was even on the air I really don't need anything "explained" to me
I can clearly see that the SEC fills it's schedule with patsies, runs the table and then thumps their chest about how they're the best conference.
I also know that any given hour of any given day I can turn on ESPN and get an earful of SEC news.... funny how Orgon, K-state and ND don't get nearly the air time SEC schools do
Although ND is probably to blame for this since they're the 1st school to break tradition and sign an independent contract with a major network, so other confrences had to follow suit ... the SEC got ESPN,... fair enough

My hope is the SEC teams cancel each other out and someone, Oregon, ND, K-state, USC, can face an SEC team so we don't get another re-match of 1 loss SEC teams playing each other again

totally agree, MTek...SEC is always overrated and overhyped (the conference as a whole)....I NEVER refer to their frivilous 5 straight paper championships....and yes the total garbage network known as ESPN has a lot to do with the hype....Having said that, I will say that Alabama, LSU, and Florida (the top three and dominant teams during this frivilous SEC run) probably would have beaten any team that they played BUT we will never know that because Division I is an absolute joke with their crappy bowl system and tie-in's...There needs to be a playoff system to determine a true championship and I'm not too excited about the four team format that will start in 2014...Personally, I would have done 16 teams with each conference regular season champion represented and then the best of the rest......BTW, as most regulars know, I am a huge and diehard Big East fan (both football and basketball) and although the All Cupcake Conference (ACC) constantly raids the league and even though we lost several more teams to other conferences, and even though this once proud conference is on life support and nearly extinct, I am proud that they continue to hold their own with their BCS bretheren!...Have a winning record this year against the aforementioned ACC, and 2-0 against the Almighty SEC!....(Louisville destroyed Kentucky and Rutgers kicked Arkansas ass)...the only conference that has our number this year is the Big Ten but then again that is because Penn ST beat Temple and Syracuse lost to Minnesota and Northwestern!...

[Mac4Lyfe]

Who has the Pac2 beaten OOC? Who has Oregon beaten? How about USC? The 2 best teams in the Pac10 haven't beaten anyone of value OOC. LSU went to Washington and buttraped them in their own backyard. Did the same thing to Oregon last year. BTW LSU beat the same Washington that beat one of the top Pac10 teams in Stanford who by the way beat USC. You think Oregon is the shit? How does that work out when they play a team with any type of defense (Auburn, LSU, Ohio State)??? They're fukking smoke and mirrors. Same for USC who is very dysfunctional.

Bama raped Michigan. A pathetic Mizzou beat Arizona State. Mizzou can't win a game in the SEC. Check your records. The SEC plays BCS teams from other conferences as well. They just kick their ass most of the time they play. The results speak for themselves. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best and the SEC has been the best the past few years. No need hating, just try to get better. just look at the NFL and you get your answer to the SEC's dominance.

All things are cyclical and this run by the SEC will soon be a fading memory
Im here to gamble just like everyone else, and due to my age and years of enjoying the sport long before ESPN was even on the air I really don't need anything "explained" to me
I can clearly see that the SEC fills it's schedule with patsies, runs the table and then thumps their chest about how they're the best conference.
I also know that any given hour of any given day I can turn on ESPN and get an earful of SEC news.... funny how Orgon, K-state and ND don't get nearly the air time SEC schools do
Although ND is probably to blame for this since they're the 1st school to break tradition and sign an independent contract with a major network, so other confrences had to follow suit ... the SEC got ESPN,... fair enough

My hope is the SEC teams cancel each other out and someone, Oregon, ND, K-state, USC, can face an SEC team so we don't get another re-match of 1 loss SEC teams playing each other again

SEC has won 6 straight and are going on 7... ...

You keep harping on ESPN, yet I never watch ESPN except for live games and am being totally objective when I say the SEC is the best conference RIGHT NOW and will be until proven otherwise. Yes they pad their schedules, but so do many other conferences, but at the end of the day it is the SEC that had five straight championships. And I bet I have been on this earth for more years than you have.

[BiffTFinancial]

FYI, that's six straight titles for the SEC, not five. i doubt that it matters if it's 10 or 20 or those who automatically hate the conference. for the record, by the way, i'm Big Ten guy and don't root for the SEC but there is no denying their recent greatness in college football. if you can watch the last six seasons and walk away unimpressed with the SEC, perhaps you should consider watching another sport....

[LT Profits]

SEC has won 6 straight and are going on 7... ...

I stand corrected, although the sixth one was impossible to lose.

[RidetheTide]

Wow. Lots of sec people on here! They are by far the best conference and have the top teams. But they also have had some really bad losses this year as a conference. Would someone please explain to me what ND has done this year? Very unimpressed! I'll let it e known I'm a big12 fan and a K-Stater. Here are some facts and arguments supporting K-state. Something I'd love to see some of you bring to the table instead of "this team sucks, this teams good, this team has history, bla, bla, bla.

First off, I want to say KSU has one of the better wins this year winning at OU. A place where OU was undefeated playing top 25 teams with stoops. They had a bye week before they played us, how could they not be ready? Now all of a sudden, OU is a great team? Really? Can't wait for them to demolish ND!

On Saturday, K-State becomes the only team in the BCS Top 10 to have faced three BCS Top-25 foes in true road games.
Saturday, K-State & OU will have combined to face 6 BCS Top-25 foes. Alabama, Oregon, Ore St, Notre Dame & USC will have faced 2 combined!!
Count up the Ws. K-State went 10-3 in 2011 and is 6-0 in 2012. All 3 losses to ranked teams. OU last year at home, a 1 pt. loss at OK. St., and a loss in the cotton bowl against Arkansas.
People forget KSU took 2nd last year by themselves only behind Ok. St. Ahead of OU, A&M, Texas, Baylor, TT, Mizz.
I have no problem seeing KSU where they are at. If they go undefeated, which will be a tall task starting this weekend at WV, they should have a shot at the title. I would of loved to see that Alabama vs Ok. St.last year, then see two sec teams play.

Now, go ahead a fire away!

Kansas St has one big one big win against OU with an opponent record of 16-21
Florida has one big when against LSU with an opponent record of 21-18
Your strength of schedule strategy seems a little lacking...

[eeezzzz]

Don't forget either that the SEC teams are dominating in TV ratings compared to other conferences. Check out this article i have had bookmarked for awhile.

http://collegesportsinfo.com/2010/12/17/2010-college-football-tv-ratings/

The SEC dominated the TV ratings in 2010. 6 out of 10 were SEC games. More fans equals more money and more TV time.

[eeezzzz]

Here is another interesting chart. SEC dominates here also. Birmingham has been #1 every single year except for in 2001 since 2000.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/headlines/20120831-college-football-tv-ratings-no-texas-cities-make-espn-s-top-10-list.ece

[slim dog]

Kansas St has one big one big win against OU with an opponent record of 16-21
Florida has one big when against LSU with an opponent record of 21-18
Your strength of schedule strategy seems a little lacking...

Road games my friend. OU win was on the road. Florida win was at home.
I did not say they have the best win, only that they have one of the better wins. When ND gets smoked by OU, it will look even better for KSU.

[shocka1212]

Can you please expand on your post and tell us why you disagree? You look like a fool with such a stupid post! I would love to hear your reasoning!

I should add, who do you think should be there and why?

Calling me a fool? That's a stretch... Florida gave up some points to a vandy team that didn't belong in the same state... Oregon blows the doors off everyteam they play.. How's that for those bcs style points.. We might as well call it te CBS because that its the SEC network . And Kansas st? Really? They struggled in their game today and if it wasn't fr 2 or 3 key plays by Klein, they're not even in the top 12

[WildcatNation]

ND sucks and all they have is a defense but that D has not played any special offense .. I mean Michigan and Michigan st blow this year and Im telling you ND loses to Oklahoma. Florida is not bad but they might lose this weekend to SC and Then I guarantee they lose to Florida st. Kansas st has there work cut out for them to they could lose this weekend to West Virginia but they have the worst Defense and K-state will look to capitalize on that. K-state also still has texas,tcu, and baylor if they make a clean sweep of there scheduled they are where they belong at the top... the best team with one loss is LSU. LSU is still better than ksu florida and ND.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Do you live in a cave? LSU sure wasn't better a week ago. UF ran the ball like 25 times in a row down their throats and LSU couldn't stop it. UF whipped that ass on both sides of the ball and made several LSU players quit...


LSU with 1 loss is not better than UF with no losses, especially when UF pushed their shit in...

ND sucks and all they have is a defense but that D has not played any special offense .. I mean Michigan and Michigan st blow this year and Im telling you ND loses to Oklahoma. Florida is not bad but they might lose this weekend to SC and Then I guarantee they lose to Florida st. Kansas st has there work cut out for them to they could lose this weekend to West Virginia but they have the worst Defense and K-state will look to capitalize on that. K-state also still has texas,tcu, and baylor if they make a clean sweep of there scheduled they are where they belong at the top... the best team with one loss is LSU. LSU is still better than ksu florida and ND.