i mean really wtf weere they watching in the gliesan fighr?????????????????
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They fu*cked me over bad, complete fix. Tibau decisively won two rounds, I had it scored 30-27 Tibau, not 30-27 Nurmagomedov . Ridiculous.Comment -
Gotta keep the undefeated undefeated....Comment -
just unreal. kid was swinging wild every where landing nothing and got stuffed on every single take down.Comment -
One 29-28 for Khabib would have been AWFUL, but ALL THREE having 30-27 for him? Unreal. He swung and missed everything, and had 11/11 takedowns stuffed. Tibau didn't land much, but he landed and landed more.
The unified rules state that these are the scoring criteria, in order of importance:
EFFECTIVE Striking/Grappling
EFFECTIVE Agression
EFFECTIVE cage control
Tibau had the more effective striking because he was actually landing strikes. Khabib was just missing.
Tibau had the more effective grappling because he was stuffing takedowns and keeping the fight standing. He also got 2 takedowns of his own. Khabib tried to use his grappling, but had it thwarted by Tibau 11/11 times.
Tibau had the more effective aggression because he was actually doing the things he tried -- landing more punches, scoring 2 takedowns. Khabib was more aggressive, but he wasn't successful at anything he tried. Therefore, Khabib's aggression wasn't "effective".
Tibau had the more effective cage control because he chose where the fight took place by stuffing 11/11 takedown attempts and even taking Khabib down twice himself.
So, Tibau won in every category.
Swinging constantly and missing every punch, then trying to take the other guy down and failing miserably does NOT win a fight. Judges suck as usual, always favoring the guy who pushes forward, even if he doesn't do squat. This is the reason why Leonard Garcia has like 8 "wins" that should be losses.Comment -
And yes, I had money on Tibau.
I did the research, picked the right guy, put money on him at a great price, he goes out and wins EVERY round, yet I lose the bet. So god damn frustrating.Comment -
Completely disagree Tibau was doing nothing himself, Khabib was pushing the action being the more aggressive fighter and controlling the octagon. All Tibau did in that fight was spend energy stuffing khabib's takedown attempts. Other than that he wasn't doing much else. In all fairness the fight should have been a draw but I definitely can see how khabib could earn the victory just by being the more aggressive fighter.Comment -
Pushing the pace means everything in fighting and mma in general, you've never even fought a fight in your life, you analyze things from behind your computer. Unified rules of mma have nothing to do with the outcome of the decision. This isn't about following rules it's about winning fights and you win a fight by controlling your opponent. In no point in time except for maybe 3 seconds of a scramble did Tibau win the grappling exchanges. Have you ever even grappled before ? No you haven't I'll answer that question for you. Khabib was winning the grappling exchanges, he had Tibau on defense with his back up against the cage in grappling when you're in defensive position you're not winning grappling exchanges. As for strikes landing I don't even know what you're talking about Khabib had landed more strikes there wasn't even points in the fight where Khabib was in trouble. The facial damage at the end of the fight really told the story of who landed the more damaging shots.
That's all for you dude.Comment -
You never know with the judges.
Khabib was more aggressive, but he wasn't ultra effective. Tibau was countering really well, but the judges didn't see it apparently.Comment -
I had money on Khabib and got lucky as fk. I was expecting Khabib to use his jujitsu skills but Tibau's takedown defense prevented that.
I think the judges saw the aggression and strikes landed, even if those strikes were harmless, which why I think he won for these wrong reasons.Comment -
You guys are fooled into thinking Tibau landed more when he didn't, the only reason you think Tibau landed more is because Khabib missed a lot of strikes. He hit thiago with shots that didn't appear to do any damage at all so it seems like he missed those shots or they landed on the glove when in fact they landed but they weren't power punches nonetheless were effective enough to get the decision victory.
I definitely do not see how Tibau won the fight by backing up against the cage stuffing takedownsComment -
The good old Leonard Garcia path to victory.Comment -
I thought Tibau won..but I wasn't shocked when I heard to went to Khabib..I really thought we were gonna see one of those crazy split decision where one guy has it 30-27 for one guy and another 30-27 the opposite way...the fight was a whole bunch of nothing going on..I don't think it was the robbery that a lot of people do.Comment -
The bright side is this win for Khabib should set up a more favorable line for his next opponent and a good betting oppurtunity becsause even in victory I still think he's pretty garbage. (unless he doesn't fight again until UFC goes to Russia in which they will of course put him up against a tomato can.)Comment -
Luca -- I think you're wager on Tibau clouded your perception.
I think Khabib won all 3 rounds (I pounded the live line because it was hanging around even). Tibau was just there waiting and deflecting shots and takedowns. The striking was about even (they both landed shots -- and it doesn't matter if Khabib's shots are "wild". Some of them landed). Cage control was almost all Khabib. He drove Tibau against the fence and kept him there. And he was 100% on aggression. Tibau was as passive as it got.
I think we're seeing an evolution in judging. Where passivity is getting punished (i.e. this fight, Clay vs. Maynard).
We were talking to judges at a local MMA fight 2 weeks ago and we asked them about the judging. He said a key point: If the fight is CLOSE, then they start looking at the smaller variables and elements to figure out the winner: a takedown, aggression, etc...
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I think I have never agreed with the Judges as much as I did in this ufc 148. Every round I judged is what they judged + they were unanimous very often. I had this particulat fight 30-27 Khabib. He was pushing the pace the whole time, he landed more punches, he was pushing Tibau against the cage and was stalking him in the octagon. Tibau did nothing in this fight.Comment -
Couture proved years ago that you can win a fight just by being the guy leaning into the other guy against the fence.
If you're going to be a fight fan you can argue about who fought the better fight. If you're a capper you should be looking at what actually wins the match.Comment -
The majority of the MMA media also had Tibau winning 30-27, as did most people I follow on Twitter. I'm pretty sure they didn't all have money on him.Comment -
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I missed the beginning of the first, but I thought Tibau won the second and third. To me, Khabib just looked sloppy and desperate. I will say that Tibau was a bit too passive as well though. Even so, he seemed to be a lot more crisp when he landed. Completely stuffing those takedowns should definitely count for Tibau as Khabib wasn't effective off the stuffed shot (i.e. when someone like Couture gets stuffed and presses against the fence, he's still bullying and landing with dirty boxing). Khabib looked desperate on the stuffed shots.
In the end, I think Tibau won, but I'm not heartbroken by the call. Tibau has himself to blame here as well. He was too passive and didn't take advantage of opportunities.Comment -
Also Jake Shields vs Sexyama comes to mind.
I hit Shields after two rounds at +180 on 5D.
Won 30-27 x 3. LOL Whut?Comment -
Although i can see an argument on both sides of this fight. I think the one aspect of the fight that may have pushed it in Khabib's way is just the torrid pace he set. Don't think there was a second of the fight that he wasn't in Tibau's face thus making him back up most of the time. Tibau may have been a tad bit more effective in striking department but when your all complete defensive mode grappling that doesn't win fights.Comment -
Judging isn't consistent that's the problem. I can think of several fights where Khabib's style got the nod for the decision and several fights Tibau's style got the nod. Tibau obviously should have won, but can't really trust judges in a fight like that.Comment -
Yeah, I sure suck at picking winners. That's why I went a perfect 11-0 in picks at UFC on Fuel 4 tonight and more than tripled my money. I just suck so bad...
And before you doubt this fact, go look into it. I made my picks public before hand.
Not to mention, you said I suck at picking winners because I picked a guy who the vast majority of MMA media and fans thought got robbed according to play-by-play, polls and forums posts. I obviously made the right pick there. More proof of just how wrong YOU are.Comment -
If you tripled your bankroll betting all favorites in 11 fights you are overestimating your edge.
If you are betting 11 fights out of 11, you are overestimating your handicapping ability.Comment -
1, tripling my money doesn't give you the slightest bit of evidence that I overestimated my edge. Not even close. You don't know how many fights I bet on, what size favorites they were, if they were in parlays, or if some were props at plus money. There is absolutely no way for you to come to the conclusion that you did, other than making a random accusation.
2, I didn't bet every fight on the card. As usual, I picked my spots.Comment
