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  • THE_LOCKSMITH
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    #1
    UFC on FUEL TV 4
    Date: Jul 11, 2012

    MAIN CARD (FUEL TV)
    • Mark Munoz vs. Chris Weidman
    • James Te Huna vs. TBA
    • Kenny Robertson vs. Aaron Simpson
    • Francis Carmont vs. Karlos Vemola
    • T.J. Dillashaw vs. Vaughan Lee
    • Rafael dos Anjos vs. Anthony Njokuani


    PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook)
    • Rapahel Assuncao vs. Issei Tamura
    • Chris Cariaso vs. Josh Ferguson
    • Rafael Natal vs. Andrew Craig
    • Tom DeBlass vs. Nick Penner
    • Alex Caceres vs. Damacio Page
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  • THE_LOCKSMITH
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    #2
    only odds out on the main but you'd have to think that if Weidman has trouble taking Munoz down (very possible) than Munoz the bigger puncher will have the advantage on the feet. Munoz at +123 now
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    • Kaladarus
      SBR MVP
      • 11-11-09
      • 1876

      #3
      Like Weidman. Think he's better everywhere, but doesn't have Munoz power on the feet. Going to wait this out as I think there will be better prices/props closer to the fight.
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      • Vaughany
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        • 03-07-10
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        #4
        Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH
        only odds out on the main but you'd have to think that if Weidman has trouble taking Munoz down (very possible) than Munoz the bigger puncher will have the advantage on the feet. Munoz at +123 now
        Catone and even Leben were able to take Munoz down so I dont see why Weidman cant
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        • MMAbetMASTA
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          • 05-24-11
          • 1931

          #5
          Originally posted by Vaughany
          Catone and even Leben were able to take Munoz down so I dont see why Weidman cant
          exactly, gotta favor weidman in this for a variety of reasons imo, I really only give mark the power edge on the feet and an experience edge, that's about it...
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          • Vaughany
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            • 03-07-10
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            #6
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            • gabe
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              #7
              Something to keep in mind:

              Damien Maia beat Mark Munoz, but Munoz stole the decision. I made $ on Munoz, so I was thrilled, but I knew going into the decision that Maia had beat him. Weidman, on the other hand, on something like 10 days notice stepped in against Damien Maia and beat him, convincingly, while gassed out throughout most of the match-up.

              I don't think Munoz will put him away. "I think Weidman takes this, boys." -Big Day's voice
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              • DeFactoCrippler
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                #8
                I don't know what was worse, the spinning backfist, or him working the speedbag. lol.

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                • Vaughany
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                  #9
                  lol Camozzi's the future champ brah!
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                  • gabe
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Vaughany
                    lol Camozzi's the future champ brah!
                    You think he could beat CB Dolloway? WTF?!
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                    • Vaughany
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                      • 03-07-10
                      • 45563

                      #11
                      Originally posted by gabe
                      You think he could beat CB Dolloway? WTF?!
                      Dolloway, and the rest of the top contenders....Lawlor, Hamann, McGee, Noke, Clifford Starks!
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                      • Vaughany
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                        • 03-07-10
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                        #12
                        Chris Camozzi
                        is playing to win. And he’s playing hard.

                        Camozzi – denied an opportunity at a six-figure
                        UFC
                        contract when a broken jaw forced his removal from Season 11 of
                        The Ultimate Fighter –
                        isn’t just determined to achieve mortal victory. By the time he steps back inside the Octagon June 22 at
                        UFC on FX
                        4 in Atlantic City, N.J., against hometown middleweight
                        Nick Catone
                        , the object is not only doing everything to ensure victory, but to shock fans out of their seats with cries of, “Holy [smokes]!”

                        Maybe you forgot about Camozzi, 12-3 competing in shows near his native Lakewood, Colorado, before a national television audience saw him break Victor O’Donnell’s orbital bone to gain entry into the house -- at a heavy price. Perhaps you dismissed him after a tap out loss to
                        Kyle Noke
                        on February 27, 2011 led to his release. Maybe his nip-and-tuck defeat to
                        Francis Carmont
                        at UFC 137 in his return bout flew under your radar, but there is something deep in Camozzi’s spirit, which he let out on his fan community page a month or so before his trip to Atlantic City.

                        It was weeks earlier when the UFC announced its seven-year partnership with the FOX networks. And judging from what Camozzi wrote, you’d figure he was a whiz-kid marketing guru and not someone who attended Fort Lewis College for a year before dropping out. Someday, some way, Camozzi believes he can attract major companies and do commercials to certify mixed martial arts as a mainstream sport. A win over Catone is a small step for the fighter and a quantum leap for Chris Camozzi Inc., the making of a brand which leads MMA and the UFC to rarefied heights reserved for Major League Baseball or the National Football League.

                        “I think I am that guy,” Camozzi said with relaxed confidence. “I have to string a few wins together and make them notice me. The business side, I feel like I’m a good face for the sport. I’m honest and don’t try to make myself look better than I am. I have my faults. A lot of guys try to perceive themselves as perfect. I’m just an everyday guy I think other people can relate to. Once I put some wins together I think I would be one of those faces they would like to get behind.”

                        Camozzi’s management company, Ingrained Media, has developed a strategy that refuses to settle for a fight every few months before disappearing from public view. It never ends with mere victory, not for Camozzi. He’s dogged in his pursuit to become must-see TV, when fans drop everything and plan their agenda around his next night of combat.

                        “It’s about being remembered,” Camozzi said. “Nobody cares if you win playing it safe. I think that relates more to my personality too. I said a long time ago the person I’d love to be would be
                        Chris Lytle
                        . Everybody knows no matter who he’s fighting he’s going to be great. That’s somebody I’d love to be like, one of those guys who if you turn on the TV it doesn’t matter if he’s fighting Joe Schmo, people are like, ‘Oh my God. You gotta watch this.’”

                        Of Camozzi’s 16 MMA wins, six have gone the distance and another six have ended via submission, including his last bout in January, when his guillotine choke forced
                        Dustin Jacoby
                        to surrender 1:08 into round three. The next level of evolution to solve Catone, an accomplished high school wrestler competing in his first bout in 15 months after recovering from a torn Achilles tendon, was to improve the weakest part of his game, on the mats. At the Englewood, Colorado-based Factory X Muay Thai MMA facility, he trained with Olympic caliber wrestlers and accepted an invite to West Linn, Oregon, to work with a former NCAA Division I champion and Greco-Roman wrestling Olympic alternate named
                        Chael Sonnen
                        .

                        “I think I’ll walk in there as a better wrestler as far as MMA is concerned,” Camozzi said. “I’m training with guys on another level.”

                        Where Sonnen is blunt, brash and outspoken, Camozzi is reserved with a quiet confidence, but a bit of Sonnen swagger has rubbed off on the 25-year-old Brazilian jiu-jitsu purple belt. For the fourth time in five fights, Camozzi is competing in enemy territory. Catone grew up in Brick Township, N.J., not far from Atlantic City. Camozzi traveled to Sydney, Australia, for the ill-fated battle with Noke, but neutralized homefield advantages with victories over Joey Villasenor and Jacoby in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, and Chicago, respectively. Not unlike many fighters, Camozzi’s adrenaline flows when he’s booed. Like a select few, he trains in Denver, where the altitude does a number on your ability to breathe.

                        “Everywhere I fight I have the hometown advantage,” Camozzi said. “I don’t ever think the other guy does. I fight out of Denver, Colorado. We’re higher than just about everybody. I have the hometown advantage because I’m coming down in altitude. What he feels like in the first round is what I feel like in the third round. If the crowd boos me, I don’t care. It pumps me up.

                        “The hometown guy always has to perform in front of friends and family, and everybody he knows. I get to go to these guys’ hometown and not have all the pressure on me, not having every single person I know in the crowd and performing in front of them. Granted, I’m bringing a big group of people so (laughs) … I’m hoping one day I get to fight in Denver. Maybe I’ll eat my words and the pressure will be put back on me, but it’s a win-win situation.”

                        Despite Vince Lombardi’s enduring words, in Camozzi’s world there is more to fighting than winning – much more. It’s a brick used to build the Camozzi brand, to make money without fighting. “You have to build your name, build that brand,” Camozzi said. Working with Ingrained Media has prodded him to find something both marketable and different. You have your garbage talkers, good guys and bad guys. Camozzi needs to deduce what makes him stick out.

                        “I’m still searching for that, but I feel like I’m starting to find it,” Camozzi said. “When somebody watches me fight they know I’m not going to quit. I’m one guy who fans can rely on to put on a fight, push the pace and never quit in the corner.”
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                        • poopoo333
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                          • 05-30-11
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                          #13
                          Catone all day
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                          • MMAbetMASTA
                            SBR MVP
                            • 05-24-11
                            • 1931

                            #14
                            interesting.. I've heard really good things about camozzi as of late, and have heard some not so good things about catone as of late... Got some interesting inside info on camozzi that I'll share later.

                            Until then let's keep this one under wraps until the line is out!

                            Weidman has the exact same birthday and year as me (although for being almost 28 years old he looks ages older than me, but then again I've always been a baby face haha)...

                            therefore I'll be betting huge on weidman - superstitious bet right here.......

                            They always come through
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                            • MMAbetMASTA
                              SBR MVP
                              • 05-24-11
                              • 1931

                              #15
                              Originally posted by gabe
                              Something to keep in mind:

                              Damien Maia beat Mark Munoz, but Munoz stole the decision. I made $ on Munoz, so I was thrilled, but I knew going into the decision that Maia had beat him. Weidman, on the other hand, on something like 10 days notice stepped in against Damien Maia and beat him, convincingly, while gassed out throughout most of the match-up.

                              I don't think Munoz will put him away. "I think Weidman takes this, boys." -Big Day's voice
                              good points gabe, weidman did beat maia more convinvingly than munoz and did it will on short notice... but I will say that seeemd like the worst performance I've ever seen from maia, he looked 'off'... nevertheless a 10 day notice weidman did beat him much more clearly than munoz did.... Man we got lucky on that one, I had prob 1400 on munoz in that, so close!!!
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                              • poopoo333
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                                • 05-30-11
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                                #16
                                TJD

                                FC

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                                • GunShard
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                                  • 03-05-10
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                                  #17
                                  Black House fighters usually beat wrestlers. I'm unsure of this trend.
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                                  • Beelzebubzy
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                                    • 06-06-11
                                    • 6995

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by poopoo333
                                    TJD

                                    FC

                                    I agree AC for me too
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                                    • poopoo333
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                                      • 05-30-11
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                      I agree AC for me too
                                      Which one?!
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                                      • scofflaw
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                                        • 06-12-11
                                        • 182

                                        #20
                                        I lean Weidman for technical superiority, especially his higher level ground game. Munoz brings the power but looks a little raw at times. If Munoz hasn't won by the end of round 2, I don't think he's going to.

                                        My favorite play for Weidman vs Munoz is Fight won't go 5 rounds @ +165. They're both powerful guys who go for the finish. This is the biggest fight of their careers and it's 5 rounds. It might not hit but I think this price is a gift.

                                        Also like RDA over Njokuani.
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                                        • Vitooch
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                                          • 09-26-11
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                                          #21
                                          Im a big fan of Weidman, but I have a weird feeling Munoz somehow takes this. Seems like everyone here is on Weidman which worries me.
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                                          • Vaughany
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                                            • 03-07-10
                                            • 45563

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Vitooch
                                            Im a big fan of Weidman, but I have a weird feeling Munoz somehow takes this. Seems like everyone here is on Weidman which worries me.
                                            Same here...Im thinking Munoz might take a controversial decision

                                            Weidman can take this if he uses his wrestling...Munoz has been taken down by anybody that has tried to take him down including Leben. Granted, Munoz is solid at scrambling and reversing position or just getting back to his feet, but Weidman has the submission game to put Munoz in trouble if Munoz does scramble. If Weidman keeps it standing for too long I think Munoz will have the edge due to his power
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                                            • Beelzebubzy
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                                              #23
                                              To celebrate gabes absence I will give a breakdown via gabes language for the Weidman fight


                                              The All American is the All American so fugheddaboutit
                                              all in on Chris cause I don't celebrate bankroll managent
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                                              • PunisherIND
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                                                • 02-24-11
                                                • 4980

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by scofflaw
                                                I lean Weidman for technical superiority, especially his higher level ground game. Munoz brings the power but looks a little raw at times. If Munoz hasn't won by the end of round 2, I don't think he's going to.

                                                My favorite play for Weidman vs Munoz is Fight won't go 5 rounds @ +165. They're both powerful guys who go for the finish. This is the biggest fight of their careers and it's 5 rounds. It might not hit but I think this price is a gift.

                                                Also like RDA over Njokuani.
                                                i'm with you on both counts. i'm on weidman SU and fight ends ITD. although, i think its slightly more likely that the fight goes the distance, i like the value on ITD at +165.

                                                neither guy has been in a 5 round fight. should be interesting how their cardio holds up.

                                                and i will probably throw a little something on munoz by TKO as a hedge, which is the most likely method of victory for munoz imo.
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                                                • Beelzebubzy
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                                                  #25
                                                  Leben vs Munoz was a five rounder just never went that far
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                                                  • PunisherIND
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                                    Leben vs Munoz was a five rounder just never went that far
                                                    ah true true. i think this one will go over 3 rounds though, so im curious to see how they handle it.
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                                                    • GunShard
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                                                      #27
                                                      I think I'll take Munoz to defeat Weidman.

                                                      I previously bet on Dos Santos defeating Velasquez and Silva defeating Brenneman.

                                                      Black House fighters defeating wrestlers. Just a trend that I noticed with my bets.
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                                                      • Vaughany
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                                                        • 03-07-10
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by GunShard
                                                        I think I'll take Munoz to defeat Weidman.

                                                        I previously bet on Dos Santos defeating Velasquez and Silva defeating Brenneman.

                                                        Black House fighters defeating wrestlers. Just a trend that I noticed with my bets.
                                                        Munoz isnt really a Black House fighter, he's spent some time helping Black House guys with their wrestling but tht was over a year ago.
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                                                        • GunShard
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                          Munoz isnt really a Black House fighter, he's spent some time helping Black House guys with their wrestling but tht was over a year ago.
                                                          Oh ok. Going to rewatch Munoz's and Weidman's previous fights before placing a bet.
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                                                          • Vitooch
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by GunShard
                                                            Oh ok. Going to rewatch Munoz's and Weidman's previous fights before placing a bet.
                                                            That would be a good idea
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                                                            • Vaughany
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                                                              #31
                                                              lol
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                                                              • GunShard
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Vitooch
                                                                That would be a good idea
                                                                lol, I seen both of those fights on TV before. Munoz vs Leben and Maia vs Weidman. Rewatching them for weaknesses and strengths this time around.
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                                                                • THE_LOCKSMITH
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Nice Wednesday card before the weekends StrikeForce event, just need some more odds for this soon
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                                                                  • terpkeg
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Havnt really dove into this one too deep, no tape. But, first glance this is all Weidman for me. Younger faster stronger. Leanring curve seems greater. Munoz wrestling hasnt transationed well. I feel like throughout career he has put himself in vulnerable positions, grappling early and sloppy striking exchanges more recently. Weidman outstuck a pure striker in Alessio Sakara early in UFC career, looked better than Munoz against Maia imo.

                                                                    I think Weidman can take this fight wherever he wants and will likely get the finish. Choke out of scramble or tko.
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                                                                    • Vaughany
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                                                                      • 03-07-10
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Odessa wont be releasing any odds until tomorrow so unless Sportbet or BM release tonight wont be seein odds till tomorro
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