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  • Vitooch
    SBR MVP
    • 09-26-11
    • 3470

    #1
    Bellator 68

    So far the dogs, Strauss and Marx look tempting.
  • bjpenn85
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 02-17-11
    • 5059

    #2
    Why do marx look tempting, villa or warren couldnt take galvao down, why should marx?
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    • NunyaBidness
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 07-26-09
      • 9345

      #3
      IIRC, Villa got Galvao down but didn't want anything to do with his guard and let him back up. I think Marx is more of a grinder than the other two who fancy themselves as strikers.
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      • sirchadwick1
        SBR MVP
        • 06-02-10
        • 1375

        #4
        I really wanted Straus at +145... darn, will probably be at evens by the time it hits 5d.
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        • Crassus
          SBR MVP
          • 01-08-12
          • 1538

          #5
          A parlay of all three favorites should be good (zaromskis being the third, eh on Petruzelli)

          Basically I'd say just do two parlays switching Marx and Galvao (those being the big question) and I'd think you'll be solid. Honestly I'm with Galvao over Marx though.
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          • PunisherIND
            SBR MVP
            • 02-24-11
            • 4980

            #6
            Originally posted by Crassus
            A parlay of all three favorites should be good (zaromskis being the third, eh on Petruzelli)

            Basically I'd say just do two parlays switching Marx and Galvao (those being the big question) and I'd think you'll be solid. Honestly I'm with Galvao over Marx though.
            wouldnt make sense to do it that way. better to do 1 parlay and leave out marx/galvao.
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            • NunyaBidness
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-26-09
              • 9345

              #7
              Numbers are hard.
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              • Crassus
                SBR MVP
                • 01-08-12
                • 1538

                #8
                Originally posted by PunisherIND
                wouldnt make sense to do it that way. better to do 1 parlay and leave out marx/galvao.
                Parlay without Marx/Galvao
                risk 1u to win 1.13u

                Parlay With Marx/Galvao
                1u to win 5.91U
                1u to win 1.93U

                Difference of .1 units at worst. Could easily change the numbers a bit to get a win if you're accepting that Sandro and Zaromskis are going to win.
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                • Vaughany
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 03-07-10
                  • 45563

                  #9
                  Anybody use Betonline? Has tht only jus recently appeared on bestfightodds? They've got better odds for every line than BM
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                  • NunyaBidness
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 07-26-09
                    • 9345

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Crassus
                    Parlay without Marx/Galvao
                    risk 1u to win 1.13u

                    Parlay With Marx/Galvao
                    1u to win 5.91U
                    1u to win 1.93U

                    Difference of .1 units at worst. Could easily change the numbers a bit to get a win if you're accepting that Sandro and Zaromskis are going to win.
                    If Sandro and Zaromskis are 100%, then you should be max parlaying them with everything your books allow you to.

                    Being that we live on Earth, and it's not 100% the numbers are actually like this:

                    Parlay A of Sandro/Zaromskis: 1u to win 1.08u

                    Parlay B of Sandro/Zaromskis/Marx: 1u to win 5.67u MINUS 1u you've lost on parlay C

                    Parlay C of Sandro/Zaromskis/Galvao: 1u to win 1.83u MINUS 1u you've lost on parlay B

                    Let's assume parlay A wins 50% of the time to make it easy and still offering a +EV bet with an edge of 4%.

                    Let's normalize the parlays, instead of betting 1u on each, we'll bet an amount to win the same regardless of which wins. So in this case, 1u to win 5.67u on B and 2.35u to win 4.3u on C. When we subtract the cost of C from the win price of B, and vice-versa, we show we are making the effective bet of risking 3.35u to win 3.3u on a parlay of Sandro/Zaromskis.

                    We had the opportunity to make a +108 bet and now have a -EV -101 bet on exact same outcome.

                    Instead, double your bet on Parlay A.
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                    • NunyaBidness
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 07-26-09
                      • 9345

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Vaughany
                      Anybody use Betonline? Has tht only jus recently appeared on bestfightodds? They've got better odds for every line than BM
                      Avoid. They were actively courting poker players a few months ago, lots of people have had accounts frozen and much difficulty getting payouts. Look in the industry forum.

                      I should say, I have no personal experience with them, just what I've read on the poker forum I frequent. People there are very unhappy.
                      Last edited by NunyaBidness; 05-09-12, 01:32 PM.
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                      • NunyaBidness
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                        • 07-26-09
                        • 9345

                        #12
                        I should say, that you shouldn't even have to get into the numbers at all to understand that. If you don't understand that betting both sides of a parlay involves paying juice on both sides then you don't understand what parlays are and probably shouldn't bet them until you do.

                        A parlay is not magic, you are simply telling the book, "hey, if event A wins, take my bet and all of its winnings and bet that on event B" etc. . . If you find yourself hedging big parlays when you get to the last leg, you have made a fundamental mistake.
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                        • Beelzebubzy
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                          • 06-06-11
                          • 6995

                          #13
                          Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                          Avoid. They were actively courting poker players a few months ago, lots of people have had accounts frozen and much difficulty getting payouts. Look in the industry forum.
                          This is probably more accurate than my description. I am a known penny bettor ($20-1u). I have not had an issue getting my money (1k at a time) but can understand if ballers would though.
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                          • Crassus
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-08-12
                            • 1538

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                            If Sandro and Zaromskis are 100%, then you should be max parlaying them with everything your books allow you to.

                            Being that we live on Earth, and it's not 100% the numbers are actually like this:

                            Parlay A of Sandro/Zaromskis: 1u to win 1.08u

                            Parlay B of Sandro/Zaromskis/Marx: 1u to win 5.67u MINUS 1u you've lost on parlay C

                            Parlay C of Sandro/Zaromskis/Galvao: 1u to win 1.83u MINUS 1u you've lost on parlay B

                            Let's assume parlay A wins 50% of the time to make it easy and still offering a +EV bet with an edge of 4%.

                            Let's normalize the parlays, instead of betting 1u on each, we'll bet an amount to win the same regardless of which wins. So in this case, 1u to win 5.67u on B and 2.35u to win 4.3u on C. When we subtract the cost of C from the win price of B, and vice-versa, we show we are making the effective bet of risking 3.35u to win 3.3u on a parlay of Sandro/Zaromskis.

                            We had the opportunity to make a +108 bet and now have a -EV -101 bet on exact same outcome.

                            Instead, double your bet on Parlay A.
                            Interesting, looking at it from that it's pretty clear I was in the wrong on that one, not sure why that wasn't computing for a bit there. Disregard advice on those parlays then haha.

                            Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                            I should say, that you shouldn't even have to get into the numbers at all to understand that. If you don't understand that betting both sides of a parlay involves paying juice on both sides then you don't understand what parlays are and probably shouldn't bet them until you do.

                            A parlay is not magic, you are simply telling the book, "hey, if event A wins, take my bet and all of its winnings and bet that on event B" etc. . . If you find yourself hedging big parlays when you get to the last leg, you have made a fundamental mistake.
                            Yeah I get that, it just wasn't computing for a bit there in my head. Exams are killing me lol.
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                            • Libert1ne
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 02-15-12
                              • 253

                              #15
                              Value's definitely with Straus and Marx IMO.

                              Both of them can grind out decisions
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                              • Vitooch
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-26-11
                                • 3470

                                #16
                                Jackson's camp prepared Marx very well for that fight. I hadn't seen much of Marx before his Bellator debut, but I was very much impressed by his composure and maturity.

                                Galvao is a good fighter, but against an experienced wrestler who will surely be prepared with a strong gameplan, this could be a solid dog play. Now that Strauss is moving down I don't really love any plays as of now. Still gotta look into the other fighters. Btw, I don't think big favorites-only parlays works out.
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                                • sirchadwick1
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 06-02-10
                                  • 1375

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by sirchadwick1
                                  I really wanted Straus at +145... darn, will probably be at evens by the time it hits 5d.
                                  Hit +100, then went back to +130, so I'm in for 2u on him. I'm still not sold on Sandro's flashiness. Straus should push the pace in this fight in the 2nd and 3rd getting him the UD. He's looking much better on his feet as well.
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                                  • Libert1ne
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 02-15-12
                                    • 253

                                    #18
                                    Sandro has a lot of flaws, and his style leads to openings.

                                    Straus could easily press him up against the cage and dirty box/takedown for 2/3 rounds
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                                    • Libert1ne
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 02-15-12
                                      • 253

                                      #19
                                      5 units on Straus @ +125
                                      5 units on Marx @ +230
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                                      • omalley21
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 11-08-10
                                        • 908

                                        #20
                                        Strauss jumped off the page at me. I don't think Marx can implement his gameplan on Galvao but im not gonna lay the # on Galvao either.
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                                        • Vaughany
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 03-07-10
                                          • 45563

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by omalley21
                                          Strauss jumped off the page at me. I don't think Marx can implement his gameplan on Galvao but im not gonna lay the # on Galvao either.
                                          yeah, Galvao is training with a load of good wrestlers as well now in Bermudez, Gregor Gillespie (Div 1 champ), Vallimont..
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                                          • TheCalculator
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 10-10-11
                                            • 1683

                                            #22
                                            I like Marrero over Petruzelli.

                                            Marrero has NEVER been knocked out. I think Petruzelli's overrated.
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                                            • GigaOuts
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 01-02-12
                                              • 527

                                              #23
                                              $100 on Michael Chiesa @ +240 - not too confidence but virtual 9-0, why not due to good odd.
                                              $100 on James Vick @ +175 I like this kid, he have good composure.
                                              $100 on Daniel Straus @ +140 - not too confidence, what a athlete but can't finished fight for some reason.
                                              $200 on Travis Marx @ +240 - more of a piss off bet, I cap him -140 last fight and oddmaker give me +400. I only bet $70 thinking I might miss something on my analysis. Never ever have my cap is so off compare to oddmaker, something doesn't smell right.
                                              $100 on Carmelo Marrero @ -110 - Carmelo just need to survive 1st round.


                                              up 15g+ since Nov, 2011
                                              best bet ever:
                                              $1000 on Carlos Condit vs Nick Diaz @ +160
                                              $2500 on Carlos Condit vs Nick Diaz @ +186
                                              $250 parlay on Carlos condit vs Nick Diaz and Dustin Poirier vs Max Holloway @ +231
                                              worse bet ever:
                                              $400 on Phil Davis vs Rashad Evans @ +140
                                              $1200+ on Phil Davis vs Rashad Evans @ +145 - bet my whole balance, was so sure....haha
                                              $1000 on Phil Davis vs Rashad Evans @ +175 - deposit more, almost 2g more but couldn't pull the trigger and settle on 1g.
                                              biggest future bet ever:
                                              $500 on Stefan Struve vs Mark Hunt @ -110
                                              $1000 on Stefan Struve vs Mark Hunt @ -105
                                              $2000 on Stefan Struve vs Mark Hunt @ +100
                                              Stefan Struve @ +110, almost pull the trigger for another $2500. Going this big, the chances of going ruin it too much to deal with.

                                              Best event ever: Condit vs Diaz - $5700+
                                              2rd best event: Diaz vs Miller - $3800+, could have been 6g+ but arb out 1/2 my bets on Diaz, Johnson,& Hendricks.
                                              3rd best event: Gustafsson vs Silva - $2800+
                                              Last edited by GigaOuts; 05-10-12, 01:47 PM.
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                                              • TheCalculator
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-10-11
                                                • 1683

                                                #24
                                                You should start your own thread. Would love to follow your thoughts.

                                                On another note:
                                                I think Hunt is an AWFUL match up for Struve. I don't think Struve can take him down. Nor do I think he will be able to avoid the BIG SHOTS for 3 rounds. The only thing Struve has is reach. I would rethink "going big" on that fight.
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                                                • Grabaka
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 02-19-11
                                                  • 3216

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by TheCalculator
                                                  You should start your own thread. Would love to follow your thoughts.

                                                  On another note:
                                                  I think Hunt is an AWFUL match up for Struve. I don't think Struve can take him down. Nor do I think he will be able to avoid the BIG SHOTS for 3 rounds. The only thing Struve has is reach. I would rethink "going big" on that fight.
                                                  I agree. Struve is very hittable, even when he wins he gets busted up for the majority of the fight. Thats pretty dangerous against Hunt.
                                                  Hunt is a natural and he has done amazing in the past with very little training. Right now he looks to be taking things serious for the first time n his career and looking great. He always been hard to tumble down and for a guy with Struve height its gonna be really hard to take Hunt down.
                                                  Im going BIG on Hunt.
                                                  Already have him at +110 and on plenty parlays and adding more to Hunt by Ko.
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                                                  • fosho14
                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                    • 01-25-12
                                                    • 554

                                                    #26
                                                    I agree with Calculator and Grabaka. I think Hunt will be able to keep this on the feet and KO struve. Struve has never impressed me, and when he wins it's usually a come from behind victory against less than stellar opposition.
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                                                    • NunyaBidness
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 07-26-09
                                                      • 9345

                                                      #27
                                                      Came to the feed late. Spiritwolf came in at 172.x, no comment was made about him being over, anybody know anything? Is it catchweight?
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                                                      • GigaOuts
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 01-02-12
                                                        • 527

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by TheCalculator
                                                        You should start your own thread. Would love to follow your thoughts.

                                                        On another note:
                                                        I think Hunt is an AWFUL match up for Struve. I don't think Struve can take him down. Nor do I think he will be able to avoid the BIG SHOTS for 3 rounds. The only thing Struve has is reach. I would rethink "going big" on that fight.
                                                        I don't like to post too much on my pick, because I constantly have second though after respectful poster go against my pick. Once in doubt I always arb back 1/2 my bet which cost me $$$. Good thing I don't arb out 100%, I put too much time and effort to analysis a fight to arb out 100% to guaranteen me a small profit. I still regrettably thinking about my $1600 bet on Nate Diaz for $3100 profit in that fight, I arb down to $600 for $1450+ profit @ +250.

                                                        Originally posted by Grabaka
                                                        I agree. Struve is very hittable, even when he wins he gets busted up for the majority of the fight. Thats pretty dangerous against Hunt.
                                                        Hunt is a natural and he has done amazing in the past with very little training. Right now he looks to be taking things serious for the first time n his career and looking great. He always been hard to tumble down and for a guy with Struve height its gonna be really hard to take Hunt down.
                                                        Im going BIG on Hunt.
                                                        Already have him at +110 and on plenty parlays and adding more to Hunt by Ko.
                                                        Originally posted by fosho14
                                                        I agree with Calculator and Grabaka. I think Hunt will be able to keep this on the feet and KO struve. Struve has never impressed me, and when he wins it's usually a come from behind victory against less than stellar opposition.
                                                        I do think Hunt is an AWFUL match up for Struve....lol. but bad matchup for Hunt not Struve. I cap Stefan Struve @ -140. In mma you dealing with so much variable, it is hard to fathom all the variable and understand how it effect each other.

                                                        Saying Struve doesn't impressive you, and he is very hittable and Hunt have ko power on both hands make Hunt a lock bet is very short sighted. Even just analysing hunt ko, there is different type of ko. The Hendricks ko on Fitch is vastly different than Hung ko on Kongo.

                                                        Stefan Struve Octogon IQ vastly improve over his last 2 losts, kid learn from his mistakes. He easily the top 3 in my ranking, so for sure in my mind he beat anyone especially a 38yr old Hunt who does NOT have 1 punch ko power. Hunt literally have to fight a perfect fight to win, even if he knock down Stefan Struve he have to give Stefan the groundgame some respect and let Struve time to recover. Stefan Struve is not Cheick Kongo, he will not turn away after he got tag, he will have his hand up like Vaughan Lee against Kid Yamamoto. Stefan Struve is a smart fighter, he will not slug it out with you after his last 2 lost. He lets you dictate the fight, let you go on offense on him and play possum good solid defense. If you refuse to go on offense, than he turn on the heat and go on offense BUT (hope) will not reckless charging forward like that fight vs Travis Browne. Kid have solid defense, it won't be that easy for Hunt to get inside. Just like last 2 fight, Stefan Struve will starts slow (feel out process) likely give away first round, than he will pick his spot to turn on. He wait patiently for his opponent to gass or hurt, he have the tools to pour it on, on the feet or on the ground.
                                                        Last edited by GigaOuts; 05-11-12, 01:17 AM.
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                                                        • PunisherIND
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 02-24-11
                                                          • 4980

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                                                          Came to the feed late. Spiritwolf came in at 172.x, no comment was made about him being over, anybody know anything? Is it catchweight?
                                                          from junkie:

                                                          However, main-card fighter Spiritwolf came in heavy and initially weighed 172.4 pounds. He's be fined a portion of his purse, and his bout with Zaromskis is now a 172-pound catchweight fight.
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                                                          • Libert1ne
                                                            SBR Sharp
                                                            • 02-15-12
                                                            • 253

                                                            #30
                                                            Weighin part 1:
                                                            Weighin part 2:

                                                            Still very happy with my bets. Considering playing Petruzelli @ +odds, will probably not touch the rest of the card. Zaromskis might be good parlay material.
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                                                            • NunyaBidness
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 07-26-09
                                                              • 9345

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                                              from junkie:
                                                              thanks
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                                                              • Libert1ne
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 02-15-12
                                                                • 253

                                                                #32
                                                                Also lol @ the ice-cream theft prior to the Marerro/Petruzelli staredown
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                                                                • GigaOuts
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 01-02-12
                                                                  • 527

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Is the Bellator 68 fight on Friday night or Saturday night? Jimmy keep saying Saturday night.
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                                                                  • bjpenn85
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 02-17-11
                                                                    • 5059

                                                                    #34
                                                                    i dont know, but bellator boss said at mma hour that they have chosen fridays as event day. very unlikely saturday.
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                                                                    • getlucky2win
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 01-14-12
                                                                      • 1115

                                                                      #35
                                                                      bellator def on fridays
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