i guess the judges used pride rules tonight.

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  • sideloaded
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 08-21-10
    • 7561

    #1
    i guess the judges used pride rules tonight.
    Benson won on damage. Edgar won on the 10 point must system. Fu-k these inconsistent judges.
  • JuicedUp
    SBR MVP
    • 01-20-10
    • 3396

    #2
    Damage wins. Violence wins. Everyone wins.
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    • ddream1
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 02-18-10
      • 695

      #3
      give him the rematch, he had to for penn and maynard, this score was horrible i thought, so edgar in the judges eyes(2 atleast) lost 4 rounds? he won the 1st, he dominated 4:48 seconds of the 2nd, lost the 3rd, 4th i thought he won but its really close and 5th he does everything right including a knockdown and he gets controlled for the final seconds and loses? i don't see it at all. most sites scoring 3R to 2R edgar, have to agree.
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      • JuicedUp
        SBR MVP
        • 01-20-10
        • 3396

        #4
        bendo was just too big.
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        • 3rDnCalifornia
          SBR Rookie
          • 11-28-11
          • 15

          #5
          Its possible the scored the 2nd round 9-8 henderson..he had him pretty hurt after that up kick..
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          • danso
            SBR MVP
            • 10-26-10
            • 2224

            #6
            Originally posted by 3rDnCalifornia
            Its possible the scored the 2nd round 9-8 henderson..he had him pretty hurt after that up kick..
            It's a 10-point system, so the winner of the round gets 10 points unless there is a deduction for committing a foul.
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            • TheDane
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 02-09-11
              • 642

              #7
              Not the best idea to bet on a sport when you're unsure of how the rules work.
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              • bogbat
                SBR MVP
                • 03-21-10
                • 1843

                #8
                I feel your pain man.
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                • Vitooch
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-26-11
                  • 3470

                  #9
                  Originally posted by 3rDnCalifornia
                  Its possible the scored the 2nd round 9-8 henderson..he had him pretty hurt after that up kick..
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                  • rocky502
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 11-14-10
                    • 486

                    #10
                    I saw it 48-47 Edgar but definitely could have been 48-47 Henderson. Henderson could have definitely stole a couple rounds by finishing them strong. Edgar definitely deserves a rematch and I would like to see it.
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                    • Thor4140
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 02-09-08
                      • 22296

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JuicedUp
                      bendo was just too big.

                      to big? edgar was slamming him around the mat like he was the stronger fighter
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                      • Thor4140
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 02-09-08
                        • 22296

                        #12
                        Originally posted by sideloaded
                        Benson won on damage. Edgar won on the 10 point must system. Fu-k these inconsistent judges.

                        I said the same thing. Take downs meant nothing last night. Just love how judges grade fights from night to night
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                        • Thor4140
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 02-09-08
                          • 22296

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ddream1
                          give him the rematch, he had to for penn and maynard, this score was horrible i thought, so edgar in the judges eyes(2 atleast) lost 4 rounds? he won the 1st, he dominated 4:48 seconds of the 2nd, lost the 3rd, 4th i thought he won but its really close and 5th he does everything right including a knockdown and he gets controlled for the final seconds and loses? i don't see it at all. most sites scoring 3R to 2R edgar, have to agree.

                          Yeah edgar wins 4.48 of the round but one up kick in some guys minds won Henderson at least three rounds
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                          • 3rDnCalifornia
                            SBR Rookie
                            • 11-28-11
                            • 15

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TheDane
                            Not the best idea to bet on a sport when you're unsure of how the rules work.
                            Worked out for me.. How bout you??
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                            • zoo youk
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 10-23-11
                              • 10701

                              #15
                              I knew some one was going to bitch about this decision. yeah Frankie might have landed more but Bendo was the aggressor and so much more effective. NOT ONCE did you see Hendos head snap back from a punch from Edgar. the dude was fresh as hell at the start of the 5th and Frankie was a beaten battered mess.
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                              • 3rDnCalifornia
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 11-28-11
                                • 15

                                #16
                                Originally posted by danso
                                It's a 10-point system, so the winner of the round gets 10 points unless there is a deduction for committing a foul.
                                Thanks for the info.. Would it be possibe for that round to be 10-8?? Or would it be 10-9 bendo?
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                                • iQon
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-08-10
                                  • 1483

                                  #17
                                  So damage doesn't factor into the point system anymore?
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                                  • Vaughany
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 03-07-10
                                    • 45563

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Thor4140
                                    to big? edgar was slamming him around the mat like he was the stronger fighter
                                    Would have to agree, Henderson looked surprisingly weak during some of Frankie's takedown attempts and during scrambles. Edgar just threw him off him a couple times early on
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                                    • zoo youk
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 10-23-11
                                      • 10701

                                      #19
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                                      • Wanna Bet On It?
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-17-11
                                        • 1032

                                        #20
                                        ^^^

                                        You don't understand how the 10-point must system works if you're posting that. Btw, who won this fight?

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                                        • keyboarding
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 07-30-09
                                          • 6817

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by zoo youk
                                          NOT ONCE did you see Hendos head snap back from a punch from Edgar.
                                          Henderson was knocked down by Edgar's punch once during the fight. It looked like a slip but it wasn't, he stunned him.
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                                          • zoo youk
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 10-23-11
                                            • 10701

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?
                                            ^^^

                                            You don't understand how the 10-point must system works if you're posting that. Btw, who won this fight?

                                            the point is none of Frankies strikes hurt Hendo. yeah maybe the one where it looked like a slip but that was it the entire fight.

                                            you can compare it to a say a 30 year old in shape dude whos fighting an 18 year old whos just growing into his body. the 18 year old could land 100 punches and not even hurt the 30 year old where as the 30 year old could throw 5-10 punches and they would be absolutely devastating.

                                            point being...Hendos size and strength was way to much for Edgar to handle. it showed.

                                            and regardless of the argument I proposed above fight metrics still had Hendo landing more.
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                                            • Wanna Bet On It?
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 11-17-11
                                              • 1032

                                              #23
                                              Your example and posting of fightmetric stats are completely irrelevant. Not that it matters, but Compustrike had Edgar outlanding Bendo.

                                              The point is: Total strikes over the course of a fight =/= 10-point must scoring system.

                                              If you say that Bendo won by three specific rounds, I could at least understand where you're coming from. But posting damage pictures and talking about old man versus young man strength shows your just bleed colors...
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                                              • 3rDnCalifornia
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 11-28-11
                                                • 15

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?
                                                ^^^

                                                You don't understand how the 10-point must system works if you're posting that. Btw, who won this fight?

                                                Edgar by ko??
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                                                • Thor4140
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 02-09-08
                                                  • 22296

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by keyboarding
                                                  Henderson was knocked down by Edgar's punch once during the fight. It looked like a slip but it wasn't, he stunned him.

                                                  These Henderson fans missed a lot of things especially that punch and him getting thrown around like somehow Edgar was the bigger man. I think it is sad that a guy gets his title taken away because one up kick basically won three rounds. It is kinda funny i see a lot of big boxing fans thinking Edgar won the fight. Then i see guys who only are MMA fans thinking Henderson almost killed Edgar. The fight was very close buttaken a title away from him after that performance from Henderson to me is a joke. Maynard in the first fight did more to Edgar. Hendo in his last two fights won those fights hands down bar none. A few sub attempts and a lucky up kick as well as 15 kicks all caught by Edgar won him the title. I also love how everyone thinks Edgar got hurt by all those kicks he caught. I guess if Rogan says it it must be true just like Goldie said the takedowns were even near the end of round five . Not one time did Frankie buckle from one of those caught leg kicks. I use to love Rogan but he is starting to be the Jim Lampley of MMA (seeing stuff nobody else is). He was telling us how great Aki was in round won when all he did was get a few take downs and nothing special. I thought Aki won round one but looking terrific Joe? Please. And again Aki wins round one with takedowns and some reason take downs last night meant nothing 30-27 Shields How about some consistency in this sport. U either call them or not. Not one card but not the next. (spelling and grammar not reviewed)O
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                                                  • sideloaded
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 08-21-10
                                                    • 7561

                                                    #26
                                                    Damage is not part of the unified rules of mixed martial arts. Not that I would expect posters on this forum to know that. Fedor has paper thin skin and cuts easily. He could've lost a lot of fights by "damage" But no just give a guy the fight because he's hyper at round number 5 that seems like a good way to tell who is the better fighter.
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                                                    • zoo youk
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 10-23-11
                                                      • 10701

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?
                                                      Your example and posting of fightmetric stats are completely irrelevant. Not that it matters, but Compustrike had Edgar outlanding Bendo.

                                                      The point is: Total strikes over the course of a fight =/= 10-point must scoring system.

                                                      If you say that Bendo won by three specific rounds, I could at least understand where you're coming from. But posting damage pictures and talking about old man versus young man strength shows your just bleed colors...
                                                      LOL the whole fkn purpose of the sport is to knock your opponent out and hurt them or submit them. come on wake up.
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                                                      • Vaughany
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 03-07-10
                                                        • 45563

                                                        #28
                                                        Either way...Frankie deserves a re-match IMO. Think UFC are going to go out of their way to get him to fight at FW tho
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                                                        • zoo youk
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 10-23-11
                                                          • 10701

                                                          #29
                                                          Dana wants him to face Aldo
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                                                          • keyboarding
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 07-30-09
                                                            • 6817

                                                            #30
                                                            It's sad a guy fights five times the way Edgar has and still gets no respect. In fact, even with his stellar record, is being insulted by everyone from Rogan to White to the media who are asking him to drop a level. You can see it every time he's asked about Aldo and dropping down and his weight and if Henderson's size was an issue the irritation in his face.

                                                            He is handling himself like a true champion because he has every right to mention how many times he took Henderson down, how he knocked him down with his power, and how he was not gassed. How all of those things should answer very simply if he thinks he needs to go down a weight class.
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                                                            • Vitooch
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-26-11
                                                              • 3470

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by zoo youk
                                                              LOL the whole fkn purpose of the sport is to knock your opponent out and hurt them or submit them. come on wake up.
                                                              That is not the purpose of the sport fool.
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                                                              • The HOFF
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 07-02-08
                                                                • 4847

                                                                #32
                                                                People are putting way too much value into the "takedowns." I saw two actual takedowns. One in the second round where Edgar had some control, but then he ate the upkick to the face. The other was Henderson giving up the takedown so he could secure the guillotine. Every other takedown was a mere change of position where Henderson was up in a second and no damage or control was shown. I don't think those have any value in the fight.
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                                                                • zoo youk
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 10-23-11
                                                                  • 10701

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Vitooch
                                                                  That is not the purpose of the sport fool.
                                                                  Oh really? What is it than?

                                                                  Every guy that steps into that cage their main objective is to damage the other fighter, knock him out, submit him and if not that than completely dominate the opposition to get the decision.
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                                                                  • more_betterness
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 08-18-11
                                                                    • 344

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by The HOFF
                                                                    People are putting way too much value into the "takedowns." I saw two actual takedowns. One in the second round where Edgar had some control, but then he ate the upkick to the face. The other was Henderson giving up the takedown so he could secure the guillotine. Every other takedown was a mere change of position where Henderson was up in a second and no damage or control was shown. I don't think those have any value in the fight.
                                                                    100% agree with this. Positional control is what scores heavy in modern mma, and takedowns without any control or damage inflicted should be scored lightly, if at all.
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                                                                    • Thor4140
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 02-09-08
                                                                      • 22296

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by more_betterness
                                                                      100% agree with this. Positional control is what scores heavy in modern mma, and takedowns without any control or damage inflicted should be scored lightly, if at all.

                                                                      the problem is that most every fight before this in MMA a takedown counted big. I can tell ya the bets i have lost from one of those late takedowns that the guy did nothing but somehow stole the round. How all of the sudden last night the take downs meant nothing? U can't just change the rules on the fly.
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