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You're saying good ol' fashioned fights start with takedowns? Ok...How does that suggest he doesn't intend on abandoning the stand-up? He's saying that he isn't going to do a Guillard against Lil Heathen and be elusive and try and out point his opponent. He says, he's still "going to bring the pressure" which doesn't mean he necessarily has to get in to a stand-up brawl - the fans can still be entertained by Barry being taken down and GnP or choked out. In fact if anything he is even saying that he's going to take Barry to the ground as mud-hole stomping means kicking somebody in to the ground!
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The only reason Serra can't beat Koscheck is because he is an overweight 145 pounder lol
Pat Barry has the strength and technique to put anybody away.
You can't compare Kongo/Barry vs Serra/GSP -- If Kongo/Barry fought 10 times, it's safe to say Barry would win at least 3 times. If GSP/Serra fought 10 times, Serra would be lucky to win once.Comment -
I think the key point here is that Nunya and I look at value in odds, while you just bet on whoever u think is going to win regardless of the odds. Obviously we know Barry is far superior standing and the fight starts standing so he clearly has a very strong chance of winning. But is it that strong a chance that Barry wins the fight 60 to 62% of the time as the odds suggest...I'm not so sure.Comment -
Word to the wise, once Vaughany is confident in a bet, don't go against it. Morecraft seems to be a complete pussy, as indicated by getting TKO'd by Struve. BUT!!! Barry also lost to Pussy Struve and is giving up a ton of size.
One thought comes to mind: HOW THE **** DOES STEFAN STRUVE WIN FIGHTS!!?!!?!? HE SUCKS!!!Comment -
Something I'm sure you won't get.
Just because your bet won doesn't mean you were on the right side. See Prater/Silva for most recent example. See Kongo/Barry for another.Comment -
ha Yeah Im pretty confident tht Morecraft will have no interest in standing - he's said enough times in interviews. But still doesnt necessarily automatically mean he'll be successful. He's still got to get the takedown and follow up with the finish. Could gas out trying to finish Barry, but then again it's unlikely Barry will take too much punishment - definitely not as much as Struve took. Plus, I'm more interested in the props in this one so until I see them I won't be playin MOrecraft straight up.Comment -
Gotcha. Do you give Barry credit for stopping Joey Beltran? Beltran's not exactly a big HW, but he works really hard and keeps going. I was fairly impressed with Barry's improvements from the Cro Cop fight to that one. Struve was so ******* tall, he just was able to snake his way around Barry to pull guard with the choke and transition. He wasn't ever getting a straight takedown. And I know Kongo fight was short, but Kongo did attempt to get inside on him early and Barry was too fast. Kongo and all us backers got lucky in that fight for sure.
But I see your point with Morecraft. He's got more a wrestling base than a Beltran, he's much bigger, and he'll likely have more urgency to get the takedown than even Beltran, who did have it mostly, and Kongo. Plus, getting up from under a guy like Morecraft is much harder at Barry's size than a Joey Beltran, who I believe was successful once.Comment -
I don't see Kongo try and get inside of him at all. What point is it? I just see him on the outside working left leg kicks and avoiding a takedown attempt from Barry at 20 second mark... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkWIk...eature=related
And regarding Beltran, u pretty much summed it up in the second paragraph. Beltran is smaller, not a great wrestler, was happy to stand for a while and was more about dirty boxing and grinding against the cage then persisting with actual proper takedown attempts.Comment -
Yeah as this indicates!...
FINAL STANDINGS after UFC 139, UFC 140, UFC 141 & UFC 142:
1) 11-4 Kaladarus +2565.26
2) 11-4 Educ8d Degener8 +2256.51
3) 11-6 Vaughany +1630.4
4) 8-5 bogbat +864.14
5) 7-5 brooks85 +571.79
6) 9-6 Eccocide +484
7) 9-8 JAKEPEAVY21 +334.07
8) 6-7 trevlyn1983 -772.07
9) 4-7 snake11eyes -1459.58
10) 4-8 TheCalculator -1512.01
11) 3-9 THE_LOCKSMITH -1640
12) 4-10 NunyaBidness -1664.33
13) 4-9 The Hoff -1755
14) 3-11 Gabe -2320.5Comment -
Man, I totally misremembered(to use a Roger Clemens word). Barry actually shot? That's so weird to me. Don't remember it all.
I guess, maybe what I was thinking was how Kongo looked to initiate the clinch off that failed takedown shot and Barry slid out of there easily. But it wasn't him really trying hard or even initiating the takedown.
I have problems re-watching fights, since they just aren't exciting when they aren't live. But they do come in handy for scouting bets.Comment -
Morecraft seems to be trying too hard to be like Barry...retarded as f*ck!... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K8XE...&feature=share
We might jus see these two goof balls start joking around and huggin eachother in the octagonComment -
Morecraft looks like he's lost weight as wellComment -
That's NunmaBidness, homie.Comment -
1. Jim Miller -170
2. Duane Ludwig -110
3. Christian Morecraft +145
4. Jared Papazian +280
5. Fabricio Camoes -325
6. Nick Denis -240
7. Charlie Brenneman -300
8. Eric Schafer -155
9. Kamal Shalorus -135
10. Pat Schilling +100
Tiebreaker 1:
What round will Miller/Guillard end? 2
Tiebreaker 2:
What round will Barry/Morecraft end? 2Comment -
Boy, you are funny, saying something that others have said a hundred times already. lmao about as original as a hundred year old knock-knock joke.
But we were talking about opposing fighters we were backing/arguing about, what would a last minute instinct bet have to do with that? What a fool. If you want to be funny to get people to like you, learn to wait and find something legitimate to poke fun of. This did not make sense to the context of the conversation.
But yeah, a couple names I just remembered that V and I went against each other on- Stipe Miocic, Jake Hecht, John Maguire... there should be many more if you'd search previous threads.Comment -
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