Is The Public is Backing JDS Against Overeem?!

**RaiderNation MMA** · 01-01-12, 06:16 PM

o **** too many "is" in the title my bad......spell check broken

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 01-01-12, 06:38 PM

Overeem opened around +180 and is down to +160 now so public is betting Reem right now

**jeedee** · 01-01-12, 08:07 PM

Overeem's chin will be tested by JDS

You heard it here first.

**mmaed** · 01-01-12, 09:28 PM

You took the words out of my mouth Raider. I don't get it.

**bogbat** · 01-01-12, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by jeedee

Overeem's chin will be tested by JDS You heard it here first.

JDS's chin will be tested by Overeem You heard it here first.

Overeem's chin has been tested many times and there is no questions to be asked about his durability or lack thereof..

**RaiderNation MMA** · 01-01-12, 10:13 PM

junior is gonna catch some of that nasty clinch work he gets to close. so juniors liver might be getting tested here, not overeems chin

**jeedee** · 01-01-12, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by bogbat

Overeem's chin has been tested many times and there is no questions to be asked about his durability or lack thereof..

...It isn't a good thing if your chin gets tested many times

Just look at Chuck and Wanderlei.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of dos Santos and Overeem.

On paper Overeem easily has the win. But Overeem's:

- Cardio
-Questionable heart (from past fights, an example would be the Kharitonov fight where he was losing and he gave up)
- Lack of an iron chin are questionable.

Also don't forget Overeem isn't young. It'll be a fun fight no doubt

**bogbat** · 01-01-12, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by jeedee

...It isn't a good thing if your chin gets tested many times

Just look at Chuck and Wanderlei. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of dos Santos and Overeem. On paper Overeem easily has the win. But Overeem's: - Cardio -Questionable heart (from past fights, an example would be the Kharitonov fight where he was losing and he gave up) - Lack of an iron chin are questionable. Also don't forget Overeem isn't young. It'll be a fun fight no doubt

You miss my point entirely. The point I was making is that Overeem is not very durable and has been stopped on numerous occasions throughout his career. If JDS lands hard, especially early in the fight, there is no doubt that he will be able to get the TKO/KO. Your post shows your lack of understanding of this. Go back and watch his prior fights. There is no comparison to be made with Chuck who had an iron chin allowing him to take a few shots to land a big one of his own or Wanderlei with his reckless brawling style would get dropped on occasion but was able to recover quickly.

Overeem's lack of iron chin is not questionable. That question has already been answered. He doesn't have a great chin. Same goes for his cardio. It's not the best but JDS has also immensely slowed down in the past in the fights he wasn't able to end early.

I haven't made a call on who I think will win this but with current lines (+155 bookmaker) I lean Overeem because he has better technical striking and will not have to fear JDS taking him down as much as he did with Lesnar and Werdum.

**jeedee** · 01-02-12, 12:07 AM

I guess we'll see when they fight

**RaiderNation MMA** · 01-02-12, 12:08 AM

agreed overeem looked kinda wonky in his last two fights cuz he was fighting grapplers. i think he comes out in his k1 stance he destroys jds

**Mr Handicapable** · 01-02-12, 12:11 AM

Overeem didn't have a great chin at 205!! DOES HE LOOK LIKE HE WEIGHS 205 NOW

Thats what you people fail to recognize?

You add that much muscle to your neck and it acts as a shock absorber just like the suspension on your car. He had to diet like Jenny Craig to hit 205 and now he can eat all the growth hormone injected horsemeat he wants now! Overeem also has a 81.5 reach to 77 for JDS. He also hits harder....is fat boy Roy Nelson going to take 100 shots in standup from Overeem and remain standing? I think a Grizzly is going down from 100 Overeem punches/knees/kicks! JDS does have the hand speed & cardio advantage but Overeem should be able to keep him at distance w/a big reach advantage. Tossup maybe Overeem -120 imo!

**bogbat** · 01-02-12, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

Overeem didn't have a great chin at 205!! DOES HE LOOK LIKE HE WEIGHS 205 NOW

Thats what you people fail to recognize? You add that much muscle to your neck and it acts as a shock absorber just like the suspension on your car. He had to diet like Jenny Craig to hit 205 and now he can eat all the growth hormone injected horsemeat he wants now! Overeem also has a 81.5 reach to 77 for JDS. He also hits harder....is fat boy Roy Nelson going to take 100 shots in standup from Overeem and remain standing? I think a Grizzly is going down from 100 Overeem punches/knees/kicks! JDS does have the hand speed & cardio advantage but Overeem should be able to keep him at distance w/a big reach advantage. Tossup maybe Overeem -120 imo!

You make some great points. There is no doubt that not cutting weight does contribute to the shots one is able to take. Although, at the same time you have to agree that JDS hits a lot harder than your average 205'er, especially early in the fight. I do agree with handicapping Overeem at -120 though.

**dww123** · 01-02-12, 06:04 PM

Overeem's physique doesn't lend itself well to 5 round fights. If he wins it will have to be in the first 2 rounds. Otherwise, he will turn into a heavy bag for Jr. I think he will be much more effective against the champ with about 20 lbs less of muscle mass.

**caveira** · 01-02-12, 07:34 PM

JDS boxing skills are much better than Alistar's, he is faster, has more cardio and probably has a better chin, i am not surprised about the odds. Alistar has better knees and kicks, but with JDS' speed, he can avoid it. By the way, JDS shows great wrestling abilities and if things goes bad, he can takedown Overeem and gas him out.

For who believes he can beat JDS, Overeem by KO/TKO (probably 250+) will be a nice way to make some money.

**Mr Handicapable** · 01-02-12, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by dww123

Overeem's physique doesn't lend itself well to 5 round fights. If he wins it will have to be in the first 2 rounds. Otherwise, he will turn into a heavy bag for Jr. I think he will be much more effective against the champ with about 20 lbs less of muscle mass.

I've seen JDS gas out too though! JDS def have the cardio advantage but I'm thinking Overeem can dictate the tempo with the stength and reach (4.5 inches) advantage.

**Mr Handicapable** · 01-02-12, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by caveira

JDS boxing skills are much better than Alistar's, he is faster, has more cardio and probably has a better chin, i am not surprised about the odds. Alistar has better knees and kicks, but with JDS' speed, he can avoid it. By the way, JDS shows great wrestling abilities and if things goes bad, he can takedown Overeem and gas him out.

For who believes he can beat JDS, Overeem by KO/TKO (probably 250+) will be a nice way to make some money.

You close with a good point about the best odds on Overeem by stoppage if he wins. I'm not disagreeing on JDSs wrestling but I've never seen it and I've seen him atleast 5 times. I'd not afraid of JDS overpowering Overeem on the ground in the least? In fact JDS should be scared of the guillotine with those Mr Olympia guns of Overeem. To me it comes down to how much Overeem can physical dominate in the clinch because he's going to get hit. JDS did great against Carwin but Carwin decided to lose weight and he tried to trade at arms length which was stupid. We know what JDS is but I agree with most that Overeem is still an unknown because beating the always overhyped poser Lesnar means nothing.

**v1y** · 01-02-12, 11:47 PM

the line on this should be close to dead even by fight time.

**FlashinLeather** · 01-03-12, 10:43 AM

Public has a short term memory, the early money will come in on the seem, but hopefully they back JDS as I will be backing allistar. In a striking match, which is what it will be, i'll take the K1 Champ.

**sideloaded** · 01-03-12, 11:00 AM

the public doesn't bet this early period. I don't know wtf you guys are talking about.

**dww123** · 01-03-12, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

I've seen JDS gas out too though! JDS def have the cardio advantage but I'm thinking Overeem can dictate the tempo with the stength and reach (4.5 inches) advantage.

JDS's cardio issues are so overstated. You are referring to one fight (Big Country) but he went 5 rounds against Carwin and looked fine. Personally I don't see this fight taking place at all. If Sonnen and Marquart got pinched for doping....

**Vitooch** · 01-03-12, 09:15 PM

Lesnar to JDS is a tremendous jump in talent. I could see this fighting ending the same way JDS's fight with Gilbert Yvel ended. As much as I love Overeem his chin may not be able to handle JDS missles for hands. Overeem will need to get in the clinch against the cage and land those nasty knees or he will get caught. Any chance Overeem wants to take this fight to the ground like he did against Brett Rodgers?

**FightFightFight** · 01-04-12, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by dww123

JDS's cardio issues are so overstated. You are referring to one fight (Big Country) but he went 5 rounds against Carwin and looked fine. Personally I don't see this fight taking place at all. If Sonnen and Marquart got pinched for doping....

3 rounds vs Carwin, but no way Overeem outlasts him.

**GunShard** · 01-04-12, 05:57 AM

I see JDS winning multiple fights as champion.

**sirchadwick1** · 01-04-12, 07:31 AM

I really want to bet on JDS in this one. I think he's just mentally stronger, quicker, has never shown to have a weak chin, has the better cardio, and has more octagon experience. Yes AO was enticing at +190 and I would have played that, but it has fallen and if I can get JDS here at -140 or so I'm taking it. Alistair is going to get cracked in the face more than once... JDS will stick and move. If you thought AO looked confused against Werdum, just wait... JDS will leave him puzzled and mentally broken. I have bet on AO in his last two fights and JDS in his last 7.

**RaiderNation MMA** · 01-04-12, 07:49 AM

overeem hits fukn hard and is much more technical, i think jds chin will b put to test

**Mr Handicapable** · 01-04-12, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

I really want to bet on JDS in this one. I think he's just mentally stronger, quicker, has never shown to have a weak chin, has the better cardio, and has more octagon experience. Yes AO was enticing at +190 and I would have played that, but it has fallen and if I can get JDS here at -140 or so I'm taking it. Alistair is going to get cracked in the face more than once... JDS will stick and move. If you thought AO looked confused against Werdum, just wait... JDS will leave him puzzled and mentally broken. I have bet on AO in his last two fights and JDS in his last 7.

Is JDS gonna lay on his back & refuse to get up like Werdum? I think not. That crappy fight has nothing whatsover to do with JDS/Overeem

It comes down to JDS speed/cardio over Overeem's power/size/reach advantage (4.5 inches).
I also don't understand how you really want to play JDS but like AO at +190. I usually only cap 1 man to win a fight? Either way I think Overeem finally coming over is a great thing. I think he's the hardest hitter that the heavyweight division has ever seen although that alone doesn't guarantee anything.

**sirchadwick1** · 01-04-12, 05:49 PM

I'm not saying JDS is anything like Werdum... just saying he has the ability to frustrate his opponents with his style. I know this fight will likely end in a (T)KO, but if it does go to a decision, I believe Junior gets the nod with the cardio advantage and speed. The only thing we can gather from the Werdum/Overeem fight is that Overeem couldn't do in 3 rounds what JDS did in just over a minute. That's b/c Werdum played mind games that even helped give him an advantage when he decided to throw punches. I'm still a little puzzled on how Werdum did so well striking against Overeem and even more puzzled as to why he didn't stick to it with the success he had. I had my $ on AO in that fight and was sweating it.

I have consistently won betting on JDS and I do believe he will win this fight. I just saw value in Overeem at 2:1 odds, considering he has a legit shot. Are you saying you have never bet on another side as the lines shift? I used to only bet on who I thought would win, but have been more profitable betting on where the value lies... the sport can be quite unpredictable.

People tend to jump all over guys that just won a fight in devastating fashion.... especially when they're dogs. But look over Junior's recent competition vs. Overeem's. Brock retired for a good reason... not just health. I think he mentally lost against Overeem before he even entered the octagon.

JDS at -240, no thank you. At -140... I'm on it.

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-05-12, 09:43 AM

im with chadwick

My dumbass took 1u for JDS at -240 as I liked that line. JDS is the best boxer in the HW division And I feel condfident matching him up against any other Striker.

at -140, I will add 3 to 4u then of course KO of the night on JDS (depending on card)

**JohnnyFive** · 01-05-12, 06:27 PM

Where is Overeem getting the best odds? And, where can I find his best odds of winning by KO/TKO?

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