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  • Beelzebubzy
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    • 06-06-11
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    #176
    Anyone else like Johnson at dog odds? Im thinking roller taking this on short notice is more likely to gas again and Johnson can keep this standing to hurt roller.
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    • Wanna Bet On It?
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      • 11-17-11
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      #177
      Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
      Anyone else like Johnson at dog odds? Im thinking roller taking this on short notice is more likely to gas again and Johnson can keep this standing to hurt roller.
      Is the line out anywhere yet?

      Personally, I have no faith in Johnson. He was lighting Sass up on the feet and then took him down for no apparent reason and when he had a split second to scramble up before getting heel hooked, he just froze. That sort of low fighter IQ will get you subbed by a superior grappler like Roller more often than not. I'm curious what the lines will be but I've lost my trust in betting MJ.
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      • v1y
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        • 05-02-11
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        #178
        Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?
        Is the line out anywhere yet?

        Personally, I have no faith in Johnson. He was lighting Sass up on the feet and then took him down for no apparent reason and when he had a split second to scramble up before getting heel hooked, he just froze. That sort of low fighter IQ will get you subbed by a superior grappler like Roller more often than not. I'm curious what the lines will be but I've lost my trust in betting MJ.
        johnson did not take sass down.

        roller looked solid against grant, and johnson's dead even performance with phan isn't looking so good in retrospect. roller -200 sounds right.
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        • Beelzebubzy
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          #179
          I was hoping for MJ around +240 range
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          • v1y
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            #180
            anything's possible, but i doubt you'll get that.
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            • Beelzebubzy
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              #181
              Originally posted by v1y
              anything's possible, but i doubt you'll get that.
              wishful thinking, wont be playing MJ lower

              Is he with Imperial Athletics these days?
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              • Vaughany
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                • 03-07-10
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                #182
                Yeah with Blackzillians so will probably continue their spree of getting subbed! Hopefully Evans ends it tho!
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                • v1y
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                  #183
                  i've got close to 1000 bucks on evans breaking that streak lol.
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                  • Vaughany
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                    • 03-07-10
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                    #184
                    Originally posted by v1y
                    i've got close to 1000 bucks on evans breaking that streak lol.
                    May have something close to tht by fight time!
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                    • illmatick
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                      • 01-05-09
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                      #185
                      Originally posted by illmatick
                      Guess I'm the only one who likes Einemo here, hoping the line jumps another 20 cents again.
                      fok me, line down to +140 --- hit +120 at one point. I hit him at +165 but not for nearly as much as I should have.
                      Originally posted by proposition joe
                      Einemo will be a big play for me. I picked him straight up. Russow got armbarred by Kharitanov if I'm not mistaken. I can only imagine what Einemo will do if it hits the mat.
                      Even it stays standing I'm confident he can keep it competitive. Both guys just throw a shit load of right hands with very little set-up. Russow moves and circles into his punches a little better but it's gonna be a lot harder to replicate the same connect percentage he was landing on Madsen.

                      Obviously Russow's durability and conditioning are enough to make him the favorite but my line is a lot closer to -150.
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                      • Vaughany
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                        #186
                        Originally posted by illmatick
                        fok me, line down to +140. I hit him at +165 but not for nearly as much as I should have.


                        Even it stays standing I'm confident he can keep it competitive. Both guys just throw a shit load of right hands with very little set-up. Russow moves and circles into his punches a little better but it's gonna be a lot harder to replicate the same connect percentage he was landing on Madsen.

                        Obviously Russow's durability and conditioning are enough to make him the favorite but my line is a lot closer to -150.
                        Yeah, just added more to Russow at -160 and arbed out with Einemo at +190 for risk free play on the Norwegian.
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                        • illmatick
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                          #187
                          Nice. I was pissed that I missed the jump to +190. There's been some crazy movement on this line so hopefully it jumps back over +160 again.
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                          • koscheckbaby
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                            #188
                            I despise Bisping, so I always bet on him. My mindset being at least I get paid if the douche wins. But at +350, how can most people not be on this? Sonnen's the best road to a title shot Bisping is ever gonna get. Guys like Belfort would knock Bisping clean out without breaking a sweat. With Sonnen, at least you got his shitty track record of being subbed from top position.
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                            • koscheckbaby
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                              #189
                              Originally posted by Vaughany
                              May have something close to tht by fight time!
                              It doesnt concern you a little bit that Rashad has been taken down by pretty much every opponent that has tried(Salmon, Bisping, Titox2)?
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                              • koscheckbaby
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                                #190
                                Originally posted by Vaughany
                                True, but I'd imagine it was 90% BJJ defence and getting back to his feet rather than looking to sub Maia off his back. He had Shields and Dean Lister in his camp for Maia.
                                MMA makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it? Sonnen helped Shields for the GSP fight. Now, indirectly, Shields has helped Bisping for his fight with Sonnen.
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                                • Beelzebubzy
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                                  #191
                                  Originally posted by koscheckbaby
                                  It doesnt concern you a little bit that Rashad has been taken down by pretty much every opponent that has tried(Salmon, Bisping, Titox2)?
                                  People do not think that Davis will be able to do it consistently for 5 rounds without Rashad touching his chin.
                                  Plus, Blackzilians seem to be focused on Sprawl and Brawl which would play right into this fights strategy!
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                                  • Vaughany
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                                    #192
                                    Originally posted by koscheckbaby
                                    It doesnt concern you a little bit that Rashad has been taken down by pretty much every opponent that has tried(Salmon, Bisping, Titox2)?
                                    It does slightly, but then none of those guys were able to keep him down. Rashad is great at springing back up or wall-walking. I have no doubt tht Phil will probably get this to the ground, Im just not convinced that he'll be able to control Rashad like he has others. Phil Davis isnt the kind of guy who is going to be relentless with his takedowns and walk through a barrage of punches and knees just to get the takedown unlike somebody like Sherk or Guida!
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                                    • PunisherIND
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                                      • 02-24-11
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                                      #193
                                      5dimes released outcome specific props for evans-davis, and goes distance/wins by decision props for sonnen-bisping.

                                      some lines that look appealing:

                                      evans by tko +244
                                      davis by sub +433
                                      sonnen by decision -155 (i played 2.5u on this)
                                      bisping inside distance +845 (ill be waiting for bisping by sub)
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                                      • Vaughany
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                                        • 03-07-10
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                                        #194
                                        Might as well play Davis SOTN at better than +433 as he will get the award if he does sub Evans
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                                        • PunisherIND
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                                          #195
                                          Originally posted by Vaughany
                                          Might as well play Davis SOTN at better than +433 as he will get the award if he does sub Evans
                                          you dont think aloe vera could pull off something crazy??
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                                          • Vaughany
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                                            #196
                                            Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                            you dont think aloe vera could pull off something crazy??
                                            Even if he did, Dana will still give it the main eventer - especially when he's the underdog and it's the main fight on FOX
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                                            • Wanna Bet On It?
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                                              #197
                                              Maia's sick.

                                              All the more reason to go big on Weidman
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                                              • Educ8d Degener8
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                                                #198
                                                Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?
                                                Maia's sick.

                                                All the more reason to go big on Weidman
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                                                • more_betterness
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                                                  • 08-18-11
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                                                  #199
                                                  Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?
                                                  Maia's sick. All the more reason to go big on Weidman
                                                  Where did you read this?
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                                                  • Vaughany
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                                                    • 03-07-10
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                                                    #200
                                                    Guess it's from this...he's got the sniffles!...



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                                                    • bjpenn85
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                                                      • 02-17-11
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                                                      #201
                                                      at ladbrokes you can get him by sub at better price than that...
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                                                      • Vaughany
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                                                        • 03-07-10
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                                                        #202
                                                        Dustin Jacoby interview... (explains his piss-poor performance against Starks and why he didnt use any leg-kicks)..

                                                        In short, Dustin Jacoby made a bad first impression, but he’s getting a second chance to make a better one at UFC on FOX 2.

                                                        On October 29th at UFC 137, Jacoby went toe-to-toe with fellow debuting middleweight Clifford Starks in an underwhelming unanimous decision victory for Starks. The win was for the most part a 15 minute display of takedowns for the former Arizona State University wrestler, Starks. For Jacoby, the loss was absolutely his worst performance of a young career that previously featured an undefeated streak of lightning quick finishes with the majority being first round TKOs. In life there might not be second chances, but in sports there are and, on January 28th, Jacoby wants to make an inedible second impression to make everyone forget the first.

                                                        “Everyone should expect to see a guy who is going to go in there and leave it all on the line,” emphasizes Jacoby. “They should expect to see a guy who throws caution into the wind and lets it go and has fun. At the same time, I'm using my athletic ability, I'm evading, I'm being elusive, but not being tentative. I’m going to be attacking and aggressive. You can watch any one of my fights, besides that Starks fight, and you see two different people. You see me kicking, which sets up my hands, I'm catching them with my hands, the next thing you know they're going down, and once they go down I'm on top of them with no hesitation. My coach says, ‘When the UFC sees you fight this time, they're going to see a completely different fighter. In your last fight you fought 95% terrible and the only reason I give you 5% is because you had good movement, but you weren't throwing off of it.’ I'm the aggressor, I'm taking it to the guy, I'm overwhelming them, and I'm setting the tone.”

                                                        Now, that sounds a lot more like the 6’4” middleweight the UFC thought they had drafted last October. In less than a year, Jacoby fought seven times with the final bout being his debut at UFC 137. Jacoby’s six previous drubbings of opponents totaled together took less time than the 15 minute decision loss to Starks. Some fighters chalk up a rough first fight in the Octagon to the “jitters”, but Jacoby’s hiccup was due in part to a hairline fracture on his leg suffered in training 19 days prior to the scrap. Break or no break, Jacoby got the call to be in the UFC and he was going to answer it.

                                                        I had an injury we kept on the low going into Clifford Starks,” discloses Jacoby. “I knew going into the fight I wasn't going to be myself and wasn't going to be 100%. I had a pretty bad hairline fracture on my leg that prevented me from doing what I normally do. I wasn't necessarily nervous about it being my first fight, I was nervous at how limited I was. It showed during the fight. If you have watched any of my fights prior to that you can see that I'm a completely different fighter. I threw zero kicks against Starks and something I do in all my fights is throw kicks to set up my hands. I'm about a hundred times more aggressive in every other fight I've ever had than I was against Starks. In hindsight, I should not have taken the fight, but if I had to do it again I would do it the same way. It's just one of those things, how do you back out of a UFC debut? It was just something I was so excited for. Probably at the time, I shouldn't have taken the fight, but I'm not making a big deal about it. I did it, it's over with, and it's time to move on.”

                                                        At UFC on FOX 2 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois, Jacoby is getting another opportunity to wow UFC fight fans against Chris “Kamikaze” Camozzi. The Ultimate Fighter alum is 15-5 and, currently, 2-2 inside the Octagon. Camozzi also suffered a decision loss at UFC 137 and will be looking to give everything he’s got to get back on the winning track. A matchup between two young and big 185ers who have something to prove can only be a must watch and possibly dark horse candidate for “Fight of the Night”.

                                                        “Chris Camozzi is a tough guy,” says Jacoby. “I've watched a few of his fights, including the one where he fought on the same card I was on in Vegas. Just watching that fight over and over again, you can tell he has a lot of heart and he can take a punch. No matter what happens he is going to keep coming and keep going. I like that about him because I know he is going to bring out the best in me. I'm the same way, where if I get hit, which I haven't been hit too much, but the more I get hit and the tougher the opponent is it brings out the best in me. It's going to be a tough fight and he's a really good competitor who has been in the game for quite awhile now. He's 2-2 in the UFC, so he's had some experience and it's going to be a fun fight.”

                                                        The 23-year old former college quarterback for Culver-Stockton College and later Quincy University is busy preparing for his tussle with Camozzi at Fiore MMA in Springfield, Illinois. In a short time, Jacoby’s MMA training went from messing around with his twin brother in his garage to sparring with UFC veterans at Matt Hughes’ H.I.T. Squad in Granite City. Nothing like jumping from the pot into the frying pan, Jacoby’s first six amateur fights were taken on sheer guile in the football off-season and, soon enough, he found himself in a gym trading punches with “Ruthless” Robbie Lawler. Jacoby is awfully green in this sport, but he’s been learning from the best early and often.

                                                        “I started out at Matt Hughes' The H.I.T. Squad in Granite City with Matt Veach, Kyle Watson, Robbie Lawler and Brian Foster,” tells Jacoby. “That was quite an experience. That was the first real gym I ever walked into. That was pretty overwhelming. We recently moved to Springfield, Illinois, where coach Marc Fiore opened up his gym, Fiore MMA. We have a lot of good guys. We have my twin brother here, who obviously matches up with me perfectly sizewise. We have Brian Foster. We have Jon Madsen who is a 4-1 heavyweight in the UFC. We have a lot of guys who push me on a daily basis. It's hard to keep up, especially with those heavyweights who when they grab a hold of you they suck the life right out of you.”

                                                        Although he is only just starting his second professional year in MMA, Jacoby is a lifelong athlete who believes the work ethic instilled in him from other sports has carried over perfectly for the UFC. “My whole life has been a practice and that's what an MMA camp is,” asserts Jacoby, who played college football plus fought in amateur fights and then turned pro in MMA with no gaps in between because he’s a born competitor. “Being a quarterback, I always had to be at practice on time and on time for me was 10 minutes early to set an example. I've always been that team leader or that guy people looked up to, and I catch on to things quickly. Some people have trouble getting up and getting after it, but it's something I’m used to.”

                                                        This weekend in the Windy City, Jacoby will look to blow the doors off the United Center with a blistering attack-oriented performance against Camozzi. “I'm going to use my superior athletic ability mixed with the aggression I've brought to every sport I've ever played,” affirms Jacoby, who promises that being injury-free means an exciting fight for the fans. “I'm a crowd pleaser. I'm so anxious, I'm ready to rock n' roll, I'm healthy and I'm so excited. When I get done with this fight, win, lose, or draw, the fans are going to be like ‘that guy can fight.’”

                                                        In short, sports and life are more about “what have you done for me lately?” For Jacoby, a thrilling battle in Chicago this week will always be more memorable than a year prior's lackluster showing in Las Vegas.
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                                                        • Beelzebubzy
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                                                          #203
                                                          Nobody thinks Bedfords size will be too much for Gagnon?
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                                                          • THE_LOCKSMITH
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                                                            #204
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                                                            • THE_LOCKSMITH
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                                                              #205
                                                              Roller just got worked by Grant now laying -215 vs Johnson???
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                                                              • Beelzebubzy
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                                                                #206
                                                                Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH
                                                                Roller just got worked by Grant now laying -215 vs Johnson???
                                                                Grant is a decent talent! He was able to stop Hendricks takedowns! Moreover, this is a much different fight. Johnson brings an aggressive wrestling style while Grant has a great BJJ base. I would love to see Grant vs Bocek.
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                                                                • Educ8d Degener8
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                                                                  #207
                                                                  Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH
                                                                  Roller just got worked by Grant now laying -215 vs Johnson???
                                                                  Never been impressed with Michael Johnson... keep in mind his only UFC win is Edward Faaalaolaolaoaoaoto.

                                                                  Meanwhile Roller has a resume that includes wins over Njokuani, Danny Castillo, and Thiago Tavares.

                                                                  (Sorry for getting a bit mma-mathy there)
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                                                                  • Vaughany
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                                                                    • 03-07-10
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                                                                    #208
                                                                    TJ Grant is no joke, on another level to Michael Johnson IMO...very well rounded and now a big LW. I'd consider a play on Roller in Rnd 1 or Roller by Sub
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                                                                    • Beelzebubzy
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                                                                      #209
                                                                      Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                                      TJ Grant is no joke, on another level to Michael Johnson IMO...very well rounded and now a big LW. I'd consider a play on Roller in Rnd 1 or Roller by Sub
                                                                      Not many Submission Artists on this card. You would have to assume if Roller wins its by a quick RNC, similar to Njoukani and Varner. SOTN pick for me along with Aloe Vera
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                                                                      • Vaughany
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                                                                        #210
                                                                        Yeah I expect one of the undercard fights to get one of the awards - SOTN seems most likely. I think Camozzi/Jacoby could be a good outsider for FOTN as well. Dana will probably give it to one of the main fights tho. He loves to give Bisping bonuses!
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