Highlight videos of Junior Dos Santos and Cain Velasquez.

[GunShard]

I know that highlight videos on Youtube can edit a fighter out of context. But as long both fighters are being observed, you can try to find out who is the better fighter.

I downloaded both videos on my computer and played both videos at the same time on two different video players so I can compare fighters easier.

Here are the two highlight videos I found on Youtube. I recommend using the mute button so you can focus on the fights instead of the music. The videos have different speed rates, don't be fooled by the fast up and slow downs. Both fighters are equally fast.




Both Dos Santos and Velasquez have very fast striking and strong uppercuts that overwhelms opponents.
Velasquez has the edge of using leg kicks and takedowns. Dos Santos does not.
Dos Santos has the edge of having heavier hands. Velasquez doesn't hit as hard.

If you watch carefully, you notice that Velasquez's opponents are not as hurt than Dos Santos' opponents when being hit in the face. Dos Santos' opponents drop to the ground faster than Velasquez's opponents.

If this fights ends in a Knockout, I say Dos Santos will most likely do this because of his heavy hands.
But if this fight ends in a decision, I say Velasquez will most likely do this because of his take downs and leg kicks.

Dos Santos trains with great fighters like the Nog brothers, Mark Munoz and Anderson Silva. Velasquez trains at AKA.

I think the slight edge goes to Dos Santos.

[Vaughany]

I know that highlight videos on Youtube can edit a fighter out of context. But as long both fighters are being observed, you can try to find out who is the better fighter.

I downloaded both videos on my computer and played both videos at the same time on two different video players so I can compare fighters easier.

Here are the two highlight videos I found on Youtube. I recommend using the mute button so you can focus on the fights instead of the music. The videos have different speed rates, don't be fooled by the fast up and slow downs. Both fighters are equally fast.




Both Dos Santos and Velasquez have very fast striking and strong uppercuts that overwhelms opponents.
Velasquez has the edge of using leg kicks and takedowns. Dos Santos does not.
Dos Santos has the edge of having heavier hands. Velasquez doesn't hit as hard.

If you watch carefully, you notice that Velasquez's opponents are not as hurt than Dos Santos' opponents when being hit in the face. Dos Santos' opponents drop to the ground faster than Velasquez's opponents.

If this fights ends in a Knockout, I say Dos Santos will most likely do this because of his heavy hands.
But if this fight ends in a decision, I say Velasquez will most likely do this because of his take downs and leg kicks.

I think the slight edge goes to Dos Santos. He trains with great fighters like the Nog brothers, Mark Munoz and Anderson Silva. As far as I know, Velasquez trains with Ryan Bader and C.B. Dollaway.

Highlight videos aren't going to highlight many weaknesses!

Dude, Cain trains at AKA - one of the best camps on the planet - quite a major factor!

[Poppa Catfish]

Cain trains with Cormier mostly, and has excellent striking coaches and a gym full of other solid fighters. I sincerely hope you aren't putting much weight behind that better camp angle of yours.

[Poppa Catfish]

damn, beaten to the punch again

lousy wanker

[GunShard]

Okay, I'll edit my post about the training camps. I didn't place a bet yet. Still deciding.

[GunShard]

Highlight videos aren't going to highlight many weaknesses!

Good point. Weaknesses are left out in highlight videos.

I like Dos Santos so far. I could change my mind later in the week.

[Vaughany]

damn, beaten to the punch again

lousy wanker

[Vaughany]

Cain trains with Cormier mostly, and has excellent striking coaches and a gym full of other solid fighters. I sincerely hope you aren't putting much weight behind that better camp angle of yours.

Take it your going with Cain?

[Poppa Catfish]

I don't know if Dos Santos will be afforded the opportunity to load up on his punches as he normally does. Cain has decent footwork ( I said decent not good not great) plus the threat of takedown should keep Dos Santos at bay as well. Really interested to see how Junior adapts to this new challenge.

I do know that eventually he is going to pay for keeping his hands down, should provide Cain a nice little opening for a combo or two.

[Poppa Catfish]

Take it your going with Cain?

Absolutely not betting it. I like how Cain matches up with Dos Santos usually, but long layoff and a surgery makes it untouchable. For what it is worth I love the way Cain is training for this fight, I just think he might need one. Dos Santos isn't exactly the gimme fight I would like, lol

[Vaughany]

Yeah normally I'd be reluctant to play it, but after seeing how guys like Rashad and Big Nog performed after injuries and long-lay off Im not as concerned about "ring rust" as I would of been before those fights. Plus in general I dont think Cain is the type to suffer too much from a lay-off - similarly to Frankie Edgar.

[v1y]

I downloaded both videos on my computer and played both videos at the same time on two different video players so I can compare fighters easier.

Note to prospective bettors: this is not how you cap fights.

[caveira]

"If this fights ends in a Knockout, I say Dos Santos will most likely do this because of his heavy hands.
But if this fight ends in a decision, I say Velasquez will most likely do this because of his take downs and leg kicks."

I couldn't agree more. Just adding... If Dos Santos doesn't knockout Velasquez in the first two rounds, he probably will run out of gas.

[rocky mattioli]

i wish we knew more about dos santos take down defense and grappling....he`s a big strapping guy....and i wish i knew that velasquez wasn`t going to make a kongo-esqe mitake and try to prove he has better stand-up...

i see that tapology has the height and reach listed as nearly equal....but just from eyeballing both guys,i doubt that`s accurate..yvel is listed as the same exact height and reach as velasquez ...but after watching them trade left hooks in the video,it was pretty apparent that dos santos was the bigger,longer guy...

a tough call,imo...i would like to see them standing next to one another

[Hannibal]

Both are listed at 77 inch reach..dos santos has a few inches of height that should make a difference. But I agree with rocky.. jds fights like a longer fighter. I'm pretty sure the reach is listed incorrectly because jds strikes with much greater range even though he primarily throws hooks. This may also be an illusion due to his boxing technique in which he will dip and lean with his shoulders and body to cover greater striking distance. Cain doesnt do this. One thing I have taken into consideration is that jds was not an athlete his whole life. He didn't start boxing or jiu jitsu until quite late. I'm betting that in a span of a few years, it is impossible to develop the type of defensive wrestling needed to stop cain, who I think is the best wrestler in the sport. I think cain is the best wrestler because he can utilize so many styles of takedowns even against larger oponents. His single and trips/body lock are so brilliant and efficent that they look effortless. And when he powers through a double you can bet it will have just as much steam on it in the first round as it will in the 5th.

[FightFightFight]

For me, two things sway this fight on favor of Velasquez given what we already know. One, Jds isn't too hard to get a hold of despite good footwork for a heavy. When Velasquez does, game over IMO. Two, he doesn't have great one punch power, so Velasquez isn't in as much danger as he would be against a carwin or even Lesnar. Not that it's out of the question he kos Velasquez, that uppercut is pretty nasty.

[sirchadwick1]

50/50 fight for me... both guys have their strengths. I just feel JDS will win in the standup and will show solid tdd. If he gets taken down, I don't see him getting held there... even by Cain. Add the power/ko advantage and at +145 I have to go w/ the Junior. I just hope this one doesn't tread deep water where Junior may fade.

[TheCalculator]

50/50 fight for me... both guys have their strengths. I just feel JDS will win in the standup and will show solid tdd. If he gets taken down, I don't see him getting held there... even by Cain. Add the power/ko advantage and at +145 I have to go w/ the Junior. I just hope this one doesn't tread deep water where Junior may fade.

I think Cain takes this fight 75%+ of the time and I've bet accordingly.

Cain has proven he can take shots and keep going. Despite getting nailed 3 times by Kongo -- he was able to get the takedowns. Lesnar nailed him with knees -- kept going.

JDS is going to fade with each passing minute.

Cain is going to take him down and keep him down and beat him up while he's there and drain his energy.

JDS's only hope is a perfectly placed uppercut and the odds of that are pretty low.

[Vitooch]

This thread

[sirchadwick1]

I see a ton of guys on Cain, but don't forget him coming in off the layoff against one of the best HW's in the UFC. I understand those of you that took him at -125 or so but -165 is just too much considering the layoff and his opponent. What I can't understand is how many of you are so confident in him winning this one, putting huge plays on him, etc. I'm staying small here w/ the dog play at 2u.

[Kaladarus]

50/50 fight for me... both guys have their strengths. I just feel JDS will win in the standup and will show solid tdd. If he gets taken down, I don't see him getting held there... even by Cain. Add the power/ko advantage and at +145 I have to go w/ the Junior. I just hope this one doesn't tread deep water where Junior may fade.

Cain for the most part doesn't hold guys down. Very often he lets them stand up while beating them and setting up his next takedown. Constantly wearing his opponents down. I think JDS will have no problems getting up from takedowns and maybe even stuffing a few, but Cain will stay on him.

I think the reason so many are on Cain is because he has a lot of options and can win many ways while JDS must get a KO within 2 rounds. Cain's taken hard flush shots right to the face in the Kongo fight. He was easily able to take them and easily took Kongo down. JDS looked extremely tired in the Carwin fight and was unable to finish Carwin. Cain's pace should wear him out considerable faster. JDS was also unable to finish Nelson and showed fatigue in that fight. Maybe we haven't seen Cain take enough punishment to know if he will be able to handle the damage, but to me and many others if these lower end heavyweights can survive it's hard for me to see Cain not being able to survive. If he does survive those first 2 rounds it should be an easy win if Cain hasn't got the stoppage already.

JDS has power, but from what I've seen from both fighters to me JDS just has a punchers chance in this one.

[GunShard]

I think the question is on cardio. Who will gas out first?

The factor mentioned above that Velasquez's lay off or Dos Santos performance against Nelson where he started to gas out at the end.

Also, Velasquez is known for take downs, if he takes Dos Santos to the ground then ground and pound. I wonder how Dos Santos fights from his back.
What if Dos Santos tries to take down Velasquez, I never seen Dos Santos attempt take downs from the fights I seen. It's most likely that Velasquez is the one doing the take downs during the fight.

I think Dos Santos is the better grappler but as far as I know, but he has not shown his grapping skills in a fight.

I noticed that Gonzaga did a leg kick and Dos Santos swung a punch at the same time in that video above which costed Gonzaga the fight. Could this happen against Velasquez? Velasquez is going to be the one on the take downs and leg kicks. Dos Santos is less likely to do these.

[Vitooch]

Dos Santos's grappling has looked very good. He may even be able to take Cain down, as Cain will not expect it, similar to how Leben took down Munoz and Penn took down Fitch.

Also JDS has really strong hips, making it very difficult to get a hold of him, and very difficult to keep him in bottom position. JDS may be able to hurt Cain standing early, as he will be tough to take and keep down when he is fresh.

But Cain's cardio may be too overwhelming, especially in a five round fight

[Vaughany]

I think the question is on cardio. Who will gas out first?

I dont think that is a key question...Cain won't be the one gassing out first no matter who he faces in the HW division. Moreover, JDS hasn't faced anybody yet that has made him grind, nobody has pressed him against the cage and been relentless with takedowns. JDS has been able to coast through most of his fights due to favourable stylistic match-ups.

[omalley21]

I love how Cain hasn't fought in over a year and is coming off surgery, while Jds has been active and winning fights, yet the money still is pouring in on cain. Hmmm.

[v1y]

I love how Cain hasn't fought in over a year and is coming off surgery, while Jds has been active and winning fights, yet the money still is pouring in on cain. Hmmm.

if by "active and winning fights" you mean jds has won precisely one fight since cain's last fight, then yes, jds has been actively winning fights lol.

[Educ8d Degener8]

I love how Cain hasn't fought in over a year and is coming off surgery, while Jds has been active and winning fights, yet the money still is pouring in on cain. Hmmm.

A few fights lately have contradicted the whole "ring rust" theory -- see: Etim, Sonnen, Belcher, Big Nog.

Also a couple other factors likely playing a role here:
1) Cain has endless cardio of mythical proportions...
2) His injury was to his rotator cuff -- not likely to be much of a detriment to his greatest advantage in this fight; his wrasslin'.

[TheCalculator]

A few fights lately have contradicted the whole "ring rust" theory -- see: Etim, Sonnen, Belcher, Big Nog.

Also a couple other factors likely playing a role here:
1) Cain has endless cardio of mythical proportions...
2) His injury was to his rotator cuff -- not likely to be much of a detriment to his greatest advantage in this fight; his wrasslin'.

Also -- Cain was VERY, VERY SMART about this recovery. He listened to the Doctors 100%. He waited for the ok. I used to do rehab and train people. The biggest mistake people make when they're in recovery mode is they RE-INJURE themselves because they think they're 100% and they don't wait. He took the time it needed and did the right things. Cain used all of the most cutting edge recovery technologies to speed things up (hyperbaric chambers, etc...).

And of course -- the most important: he trains like a BEAST.

I do not see ring rust being a factor.

[BIGDAY]

I dont think that is a key question...Cain won't be the one gassing out first no matter who he faces in the HW division. Moreover, JDS hasn't faced anybody yet that has made him grind, nobody has pressed him against the cage and been relentless with takedowns. JDS has been able to coast through most of his fights due to favourable stylistic match-ups.

My main thought going into this fight. Comes down to style matchups and percetages of unlikely outcomes. And imo Cain's relentless style should be superior if executed properly.

[GunShard]

If this fights ends in a Knockout, I say Dos Santos will most likely do this because of his heavy hands.
But if this fight ends in a decision, I say Velasquez will most likely do this because of his take downs and leg kicks.

I think the slight edge goes to Dos Santos.

I knew Dos Santos heavy hands were a major factor.
Cheers to all the Dos Santos backers.

[rocky mattioli]

dana`s reaction to completely f`ing up the chance to garner more mma fans to the ufc was priceless.....you could see the rage and disappointment written on his face at the postfight shindig...........

"if only we`d shown guida/henderson....if only we`d shown guida/henderson"........

thanks jds...i owe ya`....

[Vaughany]

I knew Dos Santos heavy hands were a major factor.
Cheers to all the Dos Santos backers.

Well that went without saying really!

dana`s reaction to completely f`ing up the chance to garner more mma fans to the ufc was priceless.....you could see the rage and disappointment written on his face at the postfight shindig...........

"if only we`d shown guida/henderson....if only we`d shown guida/henderson"........

thanks jds...i owe ya`....

[Poppa Catfish]

How many heavy body parts could it have been though?

Heavy elbows? Heavy knees? Heavy rooster?

[Poppa Catfish]

I'm going to knock you out with my soft legs.

[bogbat]

dana`s reaction to completely f`ing up the chance to garner more mma fans to the ufc was priceless.....you could see the rage and disappointment written on his face at the postfight shindig........... "if only we`d shown guida/henderson....if only we`d shown guida/henderson"........ thanks jds...i owe ya`....

I believe it was Fox's decision to not show Guida/Henderson. That long pre-fight segment probably lost a lot of viewers too. I'm interested in seeing the ratings.