50-45 Rockhold??????

**Brian891** · 09-10-11, 11:11 PM

shouldnt the champ get beneift of doubt? sherdog doesnt know what the **** they r talking about. if jacare won first two rounds, how did they judge it that way? he should dispute it. that was absolute bullshit.

**Brian891** · 09-10-11, 11:12 PM

bullshit decision. but jacare did fight like a little bitch.

**jspectyper** · 09-10-11, 11:12 PM

I could see 3-2 either way but I agree, what judge judged it 50-45? He's gotta be blind to think rockhold won the first round.

**Jordan23** · 09-10-11, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by jspectyper

I could see 3-2 either way but I agree, what judge judged it 50-45? He's gotta be blind to think rockhold won the first round.

I agree. Some judges shouldn't be able to judge at all!

**knownone** · 09-10-11, 11:15 PM

Bizarre ending, I had it 3-2 Jacare as well, Power strikes, takedowns and dominating the clinch and he loses all 5 rounds????

Bullshit.

**Jordan23** · 09-10-11, 11:30 PM

Welcome to the UFC.... and apparently now Strikeforce.

**Jordan23** · 09-10-11, 11:31 PM

Maybe I am being a little biased based on the fact that I had Jacare in two of my parlays but Jesus he had to have at least won 2 rounds? Still can't believe this.

**Kaladarus** · 09-10-11, 11:35 PM

I didn't play this fight and thought it was 48-47 Jacare. I was thinking it would be a split decision, but could easily see Rockhold winning a 48-47.

**Jordan23** · 09-10-11, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Kaladarus

I didn't play this fight and thought it was 48-47 Jacare. I was thinking it would be a split decision, but could easily see Rockhold winning a 48-47.

Same here... but when I had money riding on it and I hear 50-45 it really pisses me off.

**danso** · 09-11-11, 12:01 AM

I thought Jacare definitely took the first round.. Rockhold picked it up and dictated the pace of the fight for rounds 2 and 3 so, I gave him those two.. And then Rounds 4 and 5 could've gone either way.. so yeah a 48-47 for either guy would have made the most sense.. I felt like playing Rockhold +150 AFTER the fight was over, and before the decisions were made at DSI's Live betting.. but I couldn't pull the trigger on it.. In fact, the live betting had Rockhold at +900 to win by decision after the 3rd round when I figured he was up 2-1, but it was my first time watching the line movement for LIVE betting, so I laid off for today.

**Jordan23** · 09-11-11, 12:02 AM

I bet you are wishing you would have hopped on that right about now

**danso** · 09-11-11, 12:12 AM

Lol, obviously easy to say I'd hop on any winners in hindsight.. Just trying to point out that the LIVE betting thing gives some great value since it's all on the fly.. They were pretty sharp for the last two fights though. I'm not sure how honorable they would be on grading options that pay out a high return though, I'm a bit weary of playing a heavy underdog on a live event because the book might void the bet saying it's a line error.. =/

**Jordan23** · 09-11-11, 12:17 AM

True. You never know what the books are really thinking. You have to weigh risk vs. reward and pretty much take your chances. The only thing I'm pissed off about is the fact that I didn't jump on Cormier. I am glad he won though.

**terpkeg** · 09-11-11, 12:26 AM

Well everyone seems to be all over the place on this one. I had Jacare 1 and 2, Rockhold 3,4,5. But i thought 2 and 4 were close. Watching it first time through I thought the most dominate round was Rockhold 3 followed by, Jacare 1, Rockhold 5. I was on Rockhold, so watch fight with bias sometimes, but I was comfident when it ended he was getting the nod. Thought I was going to hear 49-46, 48-47's. You know you get that little nervous feeling before a decision when you have dough riding. Didnt get it here. I'd like to watch the fight again. Prolly watch the whole card with the wife, get another look.

I think Pat Militich was the third judge. He definitely scored the fight 50-45.

**jacktheknife** · 09-11-11, 12:33 AM

I had him parleyed too, man, and even I knew that if they gave that fight to Souza it would be a screwjob. Jacare gave it away in the last two rounds. Maybe he thought he was winning because he got a handful of takedowns and haymakers. Maybe he thought he was a legend and he was too good to struggle for it, or his shit smells just fine to judges. Or maybe he just afraid to get hit. Any which way, he didn't deserve that W at all.

50-45 is dogshit, though.

**Poppa Catfish** · 09-11-11, 12:59 AM

"Is UFC judging rubbing off on Strikeforce?"

somebody is missing the boat, imo

**MMAbetMASTA** · 09-11-11, 01:05 AM

It wasn't a bullshit decision, I'm surprised you guys are shocked to be honest. 50-45 is bullshit, for sure, but I wouldn't call it a robbery by any means...

I gave round one clearly to jacare, and I think round 2 was a toss up. 3-5 were rockhold on my card.

I had it conservatively 48-47 for rockhold.

**Wrecked** · 09-11-11, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

It wasn't a bullshit decision, I'm surprised you guys are shocked to be honest. 50-45 is bullshit, for sure, but I wouldn't call it a robbery by any means...

I gave round one clearly to jacare, and I think round 2 was a toss up. 3-5 were rockhold on my card.

I had it conservatively 48-47 for rockhold.

These guys are butthurt their parlays got busted or something because Rockhold stayed busy and attacked him that WHOLE fight. Souza looked apprehensive and scared and threw very few punches, and his takedowns were short-lived. Great decision, no way Souza won that fight at all.

**iQon** · 09-11-11, 08:29 AM

I gave Jacare the first 2 rounds. Rockhold the last 3 rounds. But Jacare literally gifted him the 5th round in the end. Can't blame the judges, blame Jacare.

Something smelled iffy about Jacare's entire performance. If his next "Zuffa" fight is under the UFC, I'm convinced he threw the fight. Maybe Dana didn't want to steal another Strikeforce champ. Such a gentleman.

**jacktheknife** · 09-11-11, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by iQon

I gave Jacare the first 2 rounds. Rockhold the last 3 rounds. But Jacare literally gifted him the 5th round in the end. Can't blame the judges, blame Jacare.

That's the worst thing, there's more to blame on Jacare then there is to praise about Rockhold. The new Strikeforce Middleweight Champion by all rights probably shouldn't even be in ranked in the top 10. Nobody is buzzing about Luke Rockhold, Future Contender to Anderson Silva.

**Poppa Catfish** · 09-11-11, 10:00 AM

lol and the butthurt just continues

now Jacare threw the fight

now Rockhold was mediocre and nobody cares about him

Keep it coming

50-45 is pretty crazy, but all this talk is almost matching it stride for stride

**iQon** · 09-11-11, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

lol and the butthurt just continues now Jacare threw the fight now

Fantastic point. Too bad I didn't actually bet on the fight. I even posted here after the 2nd round because Pat mindfucked me with his commentary. I had Jacare up 2-0 and assumed I wasn't watching close enough. I've seen Souza run through better fighters to feel indifferent about that showing.

But by all means, be sure to bump this for me in 6 months. I'm pretty sure his next Zuffa fight will be on a UFC PPV within that timeframe. Fox, Versus, Spike, something under the UFC banner.

**jacktheknife** · 09-11-11, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

now Jacare threw the fight

now Rockhold was mediocre and nobody cares about him

lol look at this boy trying to feel like a man, and what he's implying:

Now Jacare gave his all in that fight

Now Rockhold is a credible UFC title contender

When you want make believe you're calling out someone as "butthurt" best not to try that one on the guy who's negating all the arguments that he should have won the fight.

Buh bye.

**Poppa Catfish** · 09-11-11, 11:23 AM

so unbelievably butthurt

**illmatick** · 09-11-11, 11:50 AM

**Ladle** · 09-11-11, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by jacktheknife

there's more to blame on Jacare then there is to praise about Rockhold

Jacare became arm-weary and slow because his conditioning wasn't up to scratch. Rockhold was able to capitalise on that because his conditioning is superb.

Originally posted by jacktheknife

Nobody is buzzing about Luke Rockhold, Future Contender to Anderson Silva.

I don't expect him to dethrone Silva, but anyone acting like Rockhold isn't a super talented fighter is deluding themselves.

Originally posted by jacktheknife

The new Strikeforce Middleweight Champion by all rights probably shouldn't even be in ranked in the top 10.

He just beat Jacare, who Sherdog lists as the fifth best middleweight. Also, I'd favour Rockhold over plenty of current top ten middleweights: Maia; Stann; Munoz; Bisping; Okami. That applies especially over five rounds.

**terpkeg** · 09-11-11, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Poppa Catfish

lol and the butthurt just continues

now Jacare threw the fight

now Rockhold was mediocre and nobody cares about him

Keep it coming

50-45 is pretty crazy, but all this talk is almost matching it stride for stride

Yea, this is absolutely crazy. I thought Rockhold clearly won the fight. I do not think it is a suprising result either. Jacare blew his load trying to keep Rockhold down early and he was just too tired to get off in the last three rounds. Rockhold did get hit too much, especially early, but his stand up is impressive in my opinion. He has great range, utilizes all eight points effectively. Good head and foot movement if you ask me. The guy is a supreme athlete and is still fairly young. If his body holds up he will be in a UFC title fight within 3 years if you ask me.

**jacktheknife** · 09-11-11, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

Thx for translating Catfish's last post, ill.

And about Jacare's conditioning, check out the final round again (I just did). Naturally he's tired, but he's obviously still got a decent amount behind his punches, he throwing jumping front kicks and he's got enough to wing half a dozen punches in the last 10 seconds. Nevertheless, he spends most of the round backing away from Rockhold.

The camera gets a bit of Jacare's reaction to the dec, which appears to be him turning to his corner with a big

I'm convinced he thought he had that fight won, and played it safe. Hope he doesn't bitch to press like Alves.

**Ladle** · 09-11-11, 03:01 PM

Your argument sounds like a straw man to me. Seems pretty obvious that Jacare became increasingly arm-weary and fatigued across the final three rounds, and that was directly what cost him. I don't think he was "playing it safe" at all. He was evidently tired - fair enough after all the grueling takedown attempts and damage he accumulated - and ultimately got out-worked by somebody who was in better condition.

he throwing jumping front kicks

I think his arms gassing out somewhat after all the grappling was the main issue for Jacare. His punches were coming slower so he was more hesitant to attempt counters.

and he's got enough to wing half a dozen punches in the last 10 seconds

Right. Because an ostensibly tired fighter has never thrown a series of wild punches at the end of a round before.

**MMAbetMASTA** · 09-11-11, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Ladle

Jacare became arm-weary and slow because his conditioning wasn't up to scratch. Rockhold was able to capitalise on that because his conditioning is superb.

I don't expect him to dethrone Silva, but anyone acting like Rockhold isn't a super talented fighter is deluding themselves.

He just beat Jacare, who Sherdog lists as the fifth best middleweight. Also, I'd favour Rockhold over plenty of current top ten middleweights: Maia; Stann; Munoz; Bisping; Okami. That applies especially over five rounds.

agree, well said.

**jacktheknife** · 09-11-11, 04:00 PM

Hilarious misuse of the term straw man aside, I get the apprehension. But the footage is there, he was throwing fairly effective shots, even from the arm. The most telling is how he would frequently have Rockhold on his heels or the cage and then just disengage. Call him dumb or scared or unwilling, but he didn't do what a guy even to down on the cards with 5 minutes left needed to do, and he was able to all the way to the line. I'm going with dumb.

**cheeese** · 09-11-11, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by iQon

Something smelled iffy about Jacare's entire performance. If his next "Zuffa" fight is under the UFC, I'm convinced he threw the fight. Maybe Dana didn't want to steal another Strikeforce champ. Such a gentleman.

Why was he trying to KO Luke the whole fight? What if he would have landed clean? It's not like he was out there jabbing and running.
He gassed and thought he could ride out a decision.

**Ladle** · 09-11-11, 04:28 PM

Hilarious misuse of the term straw man aside

Hilarious failure to understand the term.

A fallacy in which an opponent's argument is overstated or misrepresented in order to be attacked or refuted.

Sounds like what you're doing. I know you love the attention. Same thing applied when you claimed that Shogun was the worst grappler to ever hold UFC gold, or when you spouted that shit in the Sakara/Rivera thread. Either you're a troll seeking a response, or you're just a complete ******* moron. I'm being kind by branding you as the former. Wouldn't surprise me remotely if you were the latter.

But the footage is there, he was throwing fairly effective shots, even from the arm.

His shots were obviously coming slower. They were also less frequent, though not because Jacare was "playing it safe". Far more likely that he was trying to conserve energy (perhaps for the last ten second salvo which you mentioned) or perhaps to avoid being countered by someone who was ostensibly throwing strikes at a much faster speed.

and he was able to all the way to the line.

You messed up that bit.

but he didn't do what a guy even to down on the cards with 5 minutes left needed to do

What the hell are you babbling about? Learn to write properly.

**jacktheknife** · 09-11-11, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Ladle

A fallacy in which an opponent's argument is overstated or misrepresented in order to be attacked or refuted.

Which you leveled at this post:

And about Jacare's conditioning, check out the final round again (I just did). Naturally he's tired, but he's obviously still got a decent amount behind his punches, he throwing jumping front kicks and he's got enough to wing half a dozen punches in the last 10 seconds. Nevertheless, he spends most of the round backing away from Rockhold.

Who's the troll? I bothered to get sucked into just one of your many intentional flame wars. Cases made, discussion closed.