jon olav einemo

[rocky mattioli]

how seriously does the sbr braintrust take this guy?...i was reading up on his adcc career...and it`s very impressive......he`s a very big guy.....excellent grappler...throws pretty straight punches...

but he hasn`t had an mma fight in roughly 5 years..


the worry is carwin`s cardio....

somebody thinks this guy is dangerous....considering his inactivity,-290/+245 doesn`t seem outrageously high.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdr4TFJpn1c

opinions?

[Vaughany]

I wouldn't draw too much from the Thompson fight...he's not the greatest fighter and got battered by Kimbo! I guess the line is not at +400 range because he's a submission guy and Carwin is coming off a loss by submission to a "novice" in Lesnar!

[rocky mattioli]

that grappling is top drawer.....if he can get throught the first,and then get carwin on his back,things could get dicey.....guy trains with big dudes(like overeem)...

this is pretty funny...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qec7L...feature=relmfu

feeling a little reticent...guy seems very confident...he`s huge...and very athletic....

this one could be very interesting...

[rocky mattioli]

this character trains at golden glory gym with guys like overrem/gokhan saki/kharnitov and semmy schilt.....some serious strikers....

but i am shocked that his first mma fight in 4.5 years is vs carwin...

might not be too smart...but very ballsy....

[sirchadwick1]

Carwin by (T)KO here is the pick you want to make. -135

No way this goes to a decision... and I don't see Carwin subbing this guy. JOE is tough, but Carwin is not the guy you want to be fighting in your UFC debut. Carwin's layoff doesn't worry me at all at his current price...

If you want to really narrow it down, take Carwin by (T)KO in the 1st and you could always hedge with JOE by sub at +450 to be safe if Shane's cardio fails him again and this goes past the 1st.

People are putting too much weight on JOE's camp (in this fight), and reflecting on Brock winning by sub vs Carwin... that fight was screwy imo.

[rocky mattioli]

should be interesting...anything past the first is uncharted territory for carwin...and what we do know ain`t great....

[omalley21]

carwin in round 1 +200.

[Educ8d Degener8]

Carwin by (T)KO here is the pick you want to make. -135...t.

People are putting too much weight on JOE's camp (in this fight), and reflecting on Brock winning by sub vs Carwin... that fight was screwy imo.

Tend to agree. And I doubt JOE has Lesnar's wrestling skills to take Carwin to the ground, gain top position, and slip in an arm triangle

[Kaladarus]

I like the Carwin round 1 prop also.

[rocky mattioli]

Tend to agree. And I doubt JOE has Lesnar's wrestling skills to take Carwin to the ground, gain top position, and slip in an arm triangle

this guy is a world class grappler(which i admit i wasn`t aware of until i started checking around).....and if he gets out of the first?....

http://www.adcombat.com/adcc-results?year=2003&weight=-99kg

granted this was back in 2003...and facing smaller guys....but,i certainly wouldn`t feel comfy laying serious coin on a one round fighter here....

but hey,i`ve been wrong before...

does look like a potential hedge opportunity...einemo wins(+245)/carwin wins in rd 1(+200)....

[bjpenn85]

Or, carwin tko einemo inside/sub

[Kaladarus]

It's hard to see this going the distance. Carwin could barely get up for the second round against Lesnar. If he doesn't win early he should lose before the decision. BJ's play is probably safest here for a hedge.

[LayingThe$Down]

Carwin's cardio is being judged by one fight. ONE. A fight in which he punched himself out by throwing a huge number of strikes.

Do you think it's likely he makes the same mistake two fights in a row? Do you think it's likely Carrwin has put any extra emphasis on cardio training in this training camp? Do you think Einemo can take Carwin's punches?

I suppose how you answer these questions will determine how much money you feel confident putting on a totally untested Einemo.

Good luck. You may be on to something. Or your money may have no prayer of returning to you. As always, time will tell.

[Chairib]

ADCC heavyweight grappler...meh

[Kaladarus]

Carwin and his camp had both been talking about how Carwin had excellent cardio before the Lesnar fight. Also I don't think it's fair to call what happened in the Lesnar fight a one time thing. Carwin has always used up energy in his fights right from the start. There's a reason he finishes all his opponents in the first round. If Carwin's strategy was a mistake then he's made that mistake in pretty much all his fights. It is possible that he comes out with less aggression, but he would have to make major changes to his fighting style.

[urge2kill]

Just because he made the mistake of punching himself out against a turtled opponent doesn't mean his entire fight strategy was a mistake. Why would he come out with less aggression? His aggression got him into a position he wanted, then he messed up.

[The HOFF]

I thought Carwin was claiming "Lactic Acidosis" caused him to gas out.

[bjpenn85]

I think most people that meet carwin will have an cardio advantage, based on what? lets say im guessing here. But look at his physics, the guy has a ton of muscle to supply with blood, he has fast twitched muscles, i feel its more or less warranted to suggest this.

[rocky mattioli]

Carwin's cardio is being judged by one fight. ONE. A fight in which he punched himself out by throwing a huge number of strikes.

Do you think it's likely he makes the same mistake two fights in a row? Do you think it's likely Carrwin has put any extra emphasis on cardio training in this training camp? Do you think Einemo can take Carwin's punches?

I suppose how you answer these questions will determine how much money you feel confident putting on a totally untested Einemo.

Good luck. You may be on to something. Or your money may have no prayer of returning to you. As always, time will tell.

all i`m saying is that based on what we know ,carwin`s been out of the first round one time in his mma career....and based on what we all watched with our own eyes,he didn`t gas in the second....he almost died.....

i`m going on what i watched....i know that i`ve seen many fighters pummel guys on the ground in one round without almost going comatose due to the exertion...he`s a huge,musclebound guy and as we`ve all seen numerous times,these guys have a tendency to gas...not all...but many...

theres no way of knowing at this point whether it was an anomaly or the guy just doesn`t have great cardio...imo,in many instances,bad cardio is much like every other physiological attribute/liability....if you`re biologically a fast runner,then it`s in your dna...if you`re a great marathoner,it`s basically in your dna...if you can jump out of the gym,it`s in your dna....if you have amazing fast twitch muscles in boxing like mayweather or roy jones in his prime,you can`t learn that...you might be able to improve it,but compared to other elite athletes,you can`t hold a candle to them...


you can tweek these attributes/liabilities....but only to a point...some guys just have better better natural cardiovascular ability(due to build/genetics etc)....

in carwin`s case,nobody knows for sure...but based on the evidence at hand(only one fight),,his cardio looked very ????....

one thing we do know for sure about carwin...he doesn`t much like letting guys hang around.......so the hedge(straddle as our u.k. brothers on the board like to say) seems like an excellent option for skeptics like myself.....

should be verrrry interesting....g.l. to all...

[Vaughany]

I think most people that meet carwin will have an cardio advantage, based on what? lets say im guessing here. But look at his physics, the guy has a ton of muscle to supply with blood, he has fast twitched muscles, i feel its more or less warranted to suggest this.

He's not as big as he used to be, either due to cuttin out the roids! or because of his dieting and strength and conditioning - like to think the latter!

[omalley21]

You can't fix cardio quickly. Takes years and years. Its also got to do with his breathing and the fact that he's tense when he's fighting.

Winning the Adcc back then isn't as impressive if he were to win it now. Looks to me like they are giving carwin a highlight reel KO get him relevant again.

[bjpenn85]

The fact that the UFC gives shane carwin jon olav einemo must be a good sign. I am norwegian, and norwegians barely win anything. Just look at dan evensen, maybe the worst guy been in the ufc ever. It does not surprise me that Joakim hansen has lost three in a row, norwegians just suck, when it comes to sport because we believe that everyone is equal, and that people shouldt be better than other (this is called jante law) If someone says, hey, im the best, people ******* hate you. I just Expekt that einemo will lose based on the fact that he is norwegian.

[NunyaBidness]

The fact that the UFC gives shane carwin jon olav einemo must be a good sign. I am norwegian, and norwegians barely win anything. Just look at dan evensen, maybe the worst guy been in the ufc ever. It does not surprise me that Joakim hansen has lost three in a row, norwegians just suck, when it comes to sport because we believe that everyone is equal, and that people shouldt be better than other (this is called jante law) If someone says, hey, im the best, people ******* hate you. I just Expekt that einemo will lose based on the fact that he is norwegian.

Somebody needs a hug.

(Norwegians are great at poker)

[illmatick]

Somebody needs a hug.

(Norwegians are great at poker)

[cheeese]

The fact that the UFC gives shane carwin jon olav einemo must be a good sign. I am norwegian, and norwegians barely win anything. Just look at dan evensen, maybe the worst guy been in the ufc ever. It does not surprise me that Joakim hansen has lost three in a row, norwegians just suck, when it comes to sport because we believe that everyone is equal, and that people shouldt be better than other (this is called jante law) If someone says, hey, im the best, people ******* hate you. I just Expekt that einemo will lose based on the fact that he is norwegian.

At least you guys make some pretty hot chicks.

[sirchadwick1]

At least you guys make some pretty hot chicks.

LOL. Oh and don't forget HEAVY METAL!

[Vaughany]

The fact that the UFC gives shane carwin jon olav einemo must be a good sign. I am norwegian, and norwegians barely win anything. Just look at dan evensen, maybe the worst guy been in the ufc ever. It does not surprise me that Joakim hansen has lost three in a row, norwegians just suck, when it comes to sport because we believe that everyone is equal, and that people shouldt be better than other (this is called jante law) If someone says, hey, im the best, people ******* hate you. I just Expekt that einemo will lose based on the fact that he is norwegian.

ha "Jante Law"...I like that! Complete opposite to America then and the whole Lombardi principle! Is this Jante law followed in other Scandinavia countries? Gustaffsson doesn't seem to be following it!

[rocky mattioli]

The fact that the UFC gives shane carwin jon olav einemo must be a good sign. I am norwegian, and norwegians barely win anything. Just look at dan evensen, maybe the worst guy been in the ufc ever. It does not surprise me that Joakim hansen has lost three in a row, norwegians just suck, when it comes to sport because we believe that everyone is equal, and that people shouldt be better than other (this is called jante law) If someone says, hey, im the best, people ******* hate you. I just Expekt that einemo will lose based on the fact that he is norwegian.

sometimes we all read something and "lol".......i actually did "lol" when i read this post.....i haven`t laughed that hard since last night when i streamed part of obama`s "poetry jam"(good lord) at the white house yesterday....

funniest,most genuine,self deprecating(endearingly) thing i`ve read on the net in a very long time...

i now feel much worse about what happened to the norwegians at the arctic outpost in john carpenter`s remake of the thing...

b.j. penn,you are a very bad man........

[bjpenn85]

Ill guess it just a norwegian phenomenon. You will never hear a norwegian athlete tell someone that he is the best, except a norwegian skier named petter northoug. But he is controversial as hell, because he says he will win , and afterwards he actually blast threw all oppositions. People still think this is unheard and rude, and he is more controversial than pamela lees porn vid anno 1994. We did have the best guy in chess, but no surprise here, after he got famous and did some photoshoots with liv taylor, he dropped 5 in a row after years not knowing what loosing really was. Ok some pokerstars, and the girls is pretty decent. I wil say 3 -4 out of a class consisting of lets say 25 students is worth doing. but that is not performance, just biological coincidence

[Chairib]

How do you feel about people from Finland?

[NunyaBidness]

Ill guess it just a norwegian phenomenon. You will never hear a norwegian athlete tell someone that he is the best, except a norwegian skier named petter northoug. But he is controversial as hell, because he says he will win , and afterwards he actually blast threw all oppositions. People still think this is unheard and rude, and he is more controversial than pamela lees porn vid anno 1994. We did have the best guy in chess, but no surprise here, after he got famous and did some photoshoots with liv taylor, he dropped 5 in a row after years not knowing what loosing really was. Ok some pokerstars, and the girls is pretty decent. I wil say 3 -4 out of a class consisting of lets say 25 students is worth doing. but that is not performance, just biological coincidence

Hey, hey, hey, nobody's talking about doing any students now.

[Vaughany]

LOL. Oh and don't forget HEAVY METAL!

And EUROVISION 2009!

[koscheckbaby]

Am I the only one that thinks Shane Carwin is not much of a fighter? His skill is hitting really hard. But his striking is limited and his cardio is limited. This scumbag was getting his clock cleaned by Neil Wann and Gabe Gonzaga. I'm a hater of his simply because he's one of those top fighters that really isn't that good.

I'd like to think JDS beats him with the ease in which he should.

As it pertains to this thread, I can understand why a guy that hasn't fought in 5 years could only be a 3 to 1 dog to the guy. Just avoid his power and you can likely outstrike the guy. But the power is very real and very dangerous.

[LayingThe$Down]

all i`m saying is that based on what we know ,carwin`s been out of the first round one time in his mma career....and based on what we all watched with our own eyes,he didn`t gas in the second....he almost died.....

i`m going on what i watched....i know that i`ve seen many fighters pummel guys on the ground in one round without almost going comatose due to the exertion...he`s a huge,musclebound guy and as we`ve all seen numerous times,these guys have a tendency to gas...not all...but many...

theres no way of knowing at this point whether it was an anomaly or the guy just doesn`t have great cardio...imo,in many instances,bad cardio is much like every other physiological attribute/liability....if you`re biologically a fast runner,then it`s in your dna...if you`re a great marathoner,it`s basically in your dna...if you can jump out of the gym,it`s in your dna....if you have amazing fast twitch muscles in boxing like mayweather or roy jones in his prime,you can`t learn that...you might be able to improve it,but compared to other elite athletes,you can`t hold a candle to them...


you can tweek these attributes/liabilities....but only to a point...some guys just have better better natural cardiovascular ability(due to build/genetics etc)....

in carwin`s case,nobody knows for sure...but based on the evidence at hand(only one fight),,his cardio looked very ????....

one thing we do know for sure about carwin...he doesn`t much like letting guys hang around.......so the hedge(straddle as our u.k. brothers on the board like to say) seems like an excellent option for skeptics like myself.....

should be verrrry interesting....g.l. to all...

Valid points here. It sounds as if we agree there is little evidence of Carwin's true cardio since

a. no one has made it out of the first round with him before Brock
b. the only time he went to the second was after a round 1 in which he threw a ton of strikes (it was his first shot at the belt, too, and that is mentally difficult)
c. none of us know his strength and conditioning preparation for this fight

I would add he was a champion national wrestler, and usually they possesss good cardio.

However, I agree there is a realistic chance Carwin is simply too muscular and large to develop real endurance (much like Baroni, whose muscles are more adapted for weight-lifting contests than an MMA match).

Hard to say either way......... I was merely cautioning against extrapolating too much from limited info and/or a singular incident.

With that said, I liked your post, and I think you may be on the right track by hedging, although personally I wouldn't be shocked if Carwin has learned a valuable lesson and either paces himself well or has better cardio now than we saw in the Brock fight.

For the record, I lean toward Carwin showing better cardio than most give him credit for.

Like we are fond of saying, we will see soon enough!

Good luck to you, man!

[bjpenn85]

And world idol, Kurt Nielsen. Black metal maybe more than heavy?