MMA judges are so bad...

[teaserpleaser]

Dont tell me jardines takedowns earned him a draw... c'mon

[teaserpleaser]

Really its 2011 how can these judges be this bad? There are more than enough ex fighters that could use the pay day and judge these fights its really not that hard if you know what you are looking at.

[Camdemonium]

That was no more egregious than Shields-Kampmann, Kampmann-Sanchez or Phan-Garcia, which were all TERRIBLE. This is par for the course. I don't think I'm going to bet mma any more because you can make the right call and then the judges or ref's steal it from you. <--- last statement not true, I'll bet again just really frustrated after tonight.

[illmatick]

this one hurt.

[knownone]

Really? Jardine won the first 10-8 because of a point deduction for an illegal up-kick, Sasi won rounds 2 and 3 10-9 where is the bad judging? if anything it was bad announcing for not acknowledging the fact that Sasi was down on the scorecards after the first.
You can make the argument round 1 was 9-9 which one judge did but Jardine controlled the 1st round taking Gegard down at will and IMO Gegard didn't do enough to win the round standing up.

[MickChunky]

Don't listen to Gus and Mauro, the point deduction caused the draw. It was not a robbery like they want you to believe.

[Educ8d Degener8]

Don't listen to Gus and Mauro, the point deduction caused the draw. It was not a robbery like they want you to believe.

This.

[bogbat]

Take downs give judges hard ons.

[GunShard]

They need to fix the system of picking judges to judge fights.

[rocky mattioli]

not commenting on the judging....but mousasi fights lazy....for a guy who`s obviously enormously talented,he fights like he suffers from blunt affect syndrome...i can`t remember seeing a guy as detached as mousasi while in a cage with another guy trying to take his head off...

he had little intensity vs lawal...and still has little to no ability to stop takedowns...

the fact that he didn`t blow jardine(who fought on short notice and was obviously cardio impaired because of that) out of the water is a real embarassment,imo.....

something`s wrong with that guy...he gets by because he`s got mad skills...

but man...the guy needs to up his intensity level....
his nickname should be "ambien"....

[Vaughany]

not commenting on the judging....but mousasi fights lazy....for a guy who`s obviously enormously talented,he fights like he suffers from blunt affect syndrome...i can`t remember seeing a guy as detached as mousasi while in a cage with another guy trying to take his head off...

he had little intensity vs lawal...and still has little to no ability to stop takedowns...

the fact that he didn`t blow jardine(who fought on short notice and was obviously cardio impaired because of that) out of the water is a real embarassment,imo.....

something`s wrong with that guy...he gets by because he`s got mad skills...

but man...the guy needs to up his intensity level....
his nickname should be "ambien"....

haha very true!

[rocky mattioli]

haha very true!

he`s crazy talented and young.......but even after the fight,he was like,"whatever"....

if the guy can`t keep jardine from planting him on his back,i can`t even imagine what happens vs jones/davis and bader....he has the kind of talent to mix it up with these guys.......

but he has absolutely lousy "cage awareness"....vs lawal he didn`t even seem to try and get off his back....

it`d be ashamed to waste all that talent because of a laissez faire attitude and a lack of takedown defense... takedown defense isn`t like bad cardio....you can learn that....

at 25....he has so much going for him...but in the ufc,where takedowns and grappling rule the roost(and unfortunately dominate the judging),he`s gonna have problems...

makes you wonder what`s going through the guy`s head...

[Vaughany]

he`s crazy talented and young.......but even after the fight,he was like,"whatever"....

if the guy can`t keep jardine from planting him on his back,i can`t even imagine what happens vs jones/davis and bader....he has the kind of talent to mix it up with these guys.......

but he has absolutely lousy "cage awareness"....vs lawal he didn`t even seem to try and get off his back....

it`d be ashamed to waste all that talent because of a laissez faire attitude and a lack of takedown defense... takedown defense isn`t like bad cardio....you can learn that....

at 25....he has so much going for him...but in the ufc,where takedowns and grappling rule the roost(and unfortunately dominate the judging),he`s gonna have problems...

makes you wonder what`s going through the guy`s head...

Yeah seems like he has the Frank Miresq attitude of being too laid back and aware of his own talent and abilities which is all well and good but in a 15 minute fight you're always risking losing a decision as a result of the lack of aggression and "octagon control." Isn't he planning on competing for Holland in the Olympics boxing as well which I would assume means he will have to concentrate majority of his training for next 9 months or so on stand-up which isnt going to help.

[stevenash]

mma = wwe

On WWE's behalf, at least they are on the record as being rigged.

[Vaughany]

mma = wwe

On WWE's behalf, at least they are on the record as being rigged.

[snake11eyes]

Dont tell me jardines takedowns earned him a draw... c'mon

Not the takedowns it was the point deduction. Really not that bad of a decision.

[brooks85]

Round 1

strikes 48-10 for mousasi


this was definitely worse than the kampmann/sanchez decision and that one was really bad. Sancez was 1/15 on his TD attempts, jardine was 6/13. A fighter definitely should not be rewarded for hitting a TD because he is about to get KO'd like jardine in round 1. And the lone TD sanchez finally got after getting beat up some more, won him the third round somehow..

[urge2kill]

I agree. Getting points for taking a guy down and then doing nothing until he gets up is BS. Jardine had less ground strikes than takedowns. Pathetic.

[thesox0311]

yeah that was garbage by the judges in this one

[GoGoGadget]

I agree. Getting points for taking a guy down and then doing nothing until he gets up is BS. Jardine had less ground strikes than takedowns. Pathetic.

I concur.

[xelance]

Round 1 strikes 48-10 for mousasi this was definitely worse than the kampmann/sanchez decision and that one was really bad. Sancez was 1/15 on his TD attempts, jardine was 6/13. A fighter definitely should not be rewarded for hitting a TD because he is about to get KO'd like jardine in round 1. And the lone TD sanchez finally got after getting beat up some more, won him the third round somehow..

You know how much Dana loves Sanchez...to me, it wasnt a surprise that he won.

[iQon]

You realize that the State Commission assigns refs and judges for every fight, right? Dana has no power over "his boys" getting a gift decision.

[xelance]

of course I realize that...I know plenty about MMA and how it works. It doesnt mean that he give them a little headsup ahead of time.

[Educ8d Degener8]

mma = wwe

On WWE's behalf, at least they are on the record as being rigged.

Coming from the guy with an NBA screen name and avatar... how ironic.

[rocky mattioli]

aside from the point deduction and the takedowns,mousasi easily got the better of it..but in mma,takedowns are given way too much credit,imo....gives wrestlers a real leg up...

and those technical strike and scoring systems(punchstat etc)?....utter garbage,imo.....we all watched the fight...certainly don`t need anybody counting punches or grading grappling.... they`re usually so far off....theres so much more to consider(particularly in mma)....

i honestly really liked pride`s scoring better...i don`t think that a guy taking another guy down and laying on him for 5 minutes should count for as much as a guy punching and kicking the poop out of another guy...busting him up....

yet they are both usually scored 10-9(except on rare occasions)...

[FindTheLock]

You have to set rules, and once the rules are set there's always people who won't agree with them. It's just the way they do it. The rules are set up before the fight begins, so IMO it is the fighters job to learn the rules and execute a game plan accordingly. If you ask me I'd readily admit Jardine lost that fight, but the judges scorecards hold a lot more value than my personal opinion. Point taken from upkick and a bunch of take downs earned him a draw through their grading system. Sucks but it isn't a secret that is told after the fight is over. Both fighters knew that take downs scored points before they closed the door.

[urge2kill]

The rules obviously need to be changed.

[terpkeg]

"13:46-24A.13 Judging

1) effective striking, 2) effective grappling, 3) control of the fighting area, 4) effective aggressiveness and defense.

I dont think the rules specify if any of the four criteria are given more weight than the other.

I feel like the criteria should be: 1) damage; 2) attempted finishes

[sirchadwick1]

You have to set rules, and once the rules are set there's always people who won't agree with them. It's just the way they do it. The rules are set up before the fight begins, so IMO it is the fighters job to learn the rules and execute a game plan accordingly. If you ask me I'd readily admit Jardine lost that fight, but the judges scorecards hold a lot more value than my personal opinion. Point taken from upkick and a bunch of take downs earned him a draw through their grading system. Sucks but it isn't a secret that is told after the fight is over. Both fighters knew that take downs scored points before they closed the door.

No... really, I don't think they do. Their scorecards are pretty damn horrid. Even w/ that point taken away from the upkick Mousasi was the clear winner. That first round should have been 9-9 and 2nd and 3rd were 10-9 for Mousasi. Actually the 3rd could have gone down as 10-8 Mousasi. Something just didn't feel right about this fight.... there was padding for Jardine somewhere mixed in.

Lets see what other fighters get an immediate point taken away for an illegal upkick in the near future. I swear most refs warn the guy off his back first, then take the point away if he does it again. Not sure why Mousasi was treated differently here? Maybe b/c it actually rocked Jardine?

[Vaughany]

No... really, I don't think they do. Their scorecards are pretty damn horrid. Even w/ that point taken away from the upkick Mousasi was the clear winner. That first round should have been 9-9 and 2nd and 3rd were 10-9 for Mousasi. Actually the 3rd could have gone down as 10-8 Mousasi. Something just didn't feel right about this fight.... there was padding for Jardine somewhere mixed in.

Lets see what other fighters get an immediate point taken away for an illegal upkick in the near future. I swear most refs warn the guy off his back first, then take the point away if he does it again. Not sure why Mousasi was treated differently here? Maybe b/c it actually rocked Jardine?

It helped tht Jardine's older brother was the ref!

[jin2daj]

No... really, I don't think they do. Their scorecards are pretty damn horrid. Even w/ that point taken away from the upkick Mousasi was the clear winner. That first round should have been 9-9 and 2nd and 3rd were 10-9 for Mousasi. Actually the 3rd could have gone down as 10-8 Mousasi. Something just didn't feel right about this fight.... there was padding for Jardine somewhere mixed in.

Lets see what other fighters get an immediate point taken away for an illegal upkick in the near future. I swear most refs warn the guy off his back first, then take the point away if he does it again. Not sure why Mousasi was treated differently here? Maybe b/c it actually rocked Jardine?

generally i think the point deduction has alot to do with how much impact it had towards the fight. so yeh, if jardine was seemingly unaffected, there would likely not have been a point deduction.

[sirchadwick1]

generally i think the point deduction has alot to do with how much impact it had towards the fight. so yeh, if jardine was seemingly unaffected, there would likely not have been a point deduction.

Jardine was interviewed after the fight (looking like Freddy Krueger I might add)... and he said that the upkick hurt a little bit, but his adrenaline helped him recover alright. Probably just him talking it down though, like he did the rest of the fight. Seriously he thought he won the 1st two rounds? I'm shocked he didn't flat out say he thought Mousasi should have won. Apparently he is trying to 'reinvent' himself by going down to 185. I have a gut feeling it's not going to get much better for him.

[cheeese]

"

I feel like the criteria should be: 1) damage; 2) attempted finishes

I agree with this

[Kaladarus]

Jardine was interviewed after the fight (looking like Freddy Krueger I might add)... and he said that the upkick hurt a little bit, but his adrenaline helped him recover alright. Probably just him talking it down though, like he did the rest of the fight. Seriously he thought he won the 1st two rounds? I'm shocked he didn't flat out say he thought Mousasi should have won. Apparently he is trying to 'reinvent' himself by going down to 185. I have a gut feeling it's not going to get much better for him.

I loved the post fight press conference. I can't believe he thought he won the first 2 round and thought he did enough to win the fight.

[urge2kill]

It helped tht Jardine's older brother was the ref!