Grove +315 v. Maia

Vaughany · 11-06-10, 10:53 AM

+315 seems like decent value as Grove can defintely cause problems for Maia with his reach....however, a lot of us also thought Miranda would cause problems and was a bad matchup for Maia, and in some ways has a similar style and therefore potentially offered similar threats to what Grove will - i.e. equal if not better stand-up but with reach advantage and a BJJ level that is high enough to avoid being tapped by Maia. Furthermore, perhaps Miranda has a better wrestling pedigree than Grove as well, yet still got controlled by Maia for three rounds (Maia showed impressive strength and wrestling in that fight). All in all, I see this being similar to Maia vs Miranda and Almeida vs Grove, with a decision win for Maia through constant grappling pressure.

ddream1 · 11-06-10, 12:19 PM

on paper i agree, grove has skills and physical atributes most fighters just don't see everyday, however honestly here maia closes the gaps here easily i think i looks at groves biggest asset and maia's biggest fear is in the clinch. i think thats the advantage for grove and thats where this fight will be at the most. i vision groves back to the cage alot just hanging and underhooking etc with maia. maia wins but i think its after a battle along the fence and i nthe clinch, he gets him eventually and works him. but then again grove can be dangerous off his back. i pass on this one but very excited to watch it. i thinks its a terrific match up

terpkeg · 11-06-10, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by ddream1

on paper i agree, grove has skills and physical atributes most fighters just don't see everyday, however honestly here maia closes the gaps here easily i think i looks at groves biggest asset and maia's biggest fear is in the clinch. i think thats the advantage for grove and thats where this fight will be at the most. i vision groves back to the cage alot just hanging and underhooking etc with maia. maia wins but i think its after a battle along the fence and i nthe clinch, he gets him eventually and works him. but then again grove can be dangerous off his back. i pass on this one but very excited to watch it. i thinks its a terrific match up

I can certaintly see this. But, i don't see Grove being very agressive in clinch. I think he wil have to be too defensive if he gets put on the cage and any offensive output will result in takedown and that would not be good since I give Grove about a 1% chance of catching Maia from his back.

I think his best chance is to emulate A Silva's approach of striking at range with good footwork and avoiding being pressed on cage. Obviously, Grove is no Silva, but he has great range, is versatile and has power. If Maia can't get fight down early it will be harder for him to gain dominate positions later in fight imo because I do not think Grove will have cardio issues, it is usually his chin that lets him down as fight goes on.

Grove is large dog for a reason, just too much imo.

ddream1 · 11-06-10, 05:11 PM

i hear u aswell and that approach for grove makes sense but do we really believe despite his reach and such can keep it on the feet? grove will need to be able to show foot work and angles to keep maia from closing in, and if he approach's the stand up like you suggest or vision his power is totally taken away. i think u are right grove will do go that way but maia knows that thats why i think he bulls in grabs a leg pushes him to fence and works from there. and grove knows that if maia has any chance or counter its straight through his stand up thats why i think grove's clinch will be plan B and ultimately his most prepared and dangerous weapon of the night.

is there a prop grove by submisssion?

terkeg did u ever have success ridding your site?

Boddhissatva · 11-07-10, 12:40 AM

Everything Grove is good at, Maia is ten times better. I have Maia winning second round sub.

JediMind87 · 11-07-10, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Boddhissatva

Everything Grove is good at, Maia is ten times better. I have Maia winning second round sub.

So u would say Maia's striking is 10 times better than Grove's?

THE_LOCKSMITH · 11-07-10, 02:40 PM

I took a shot with Miranda over Maia, so i'm not looking to bet against Maia again so soon. But can't blame someone for taking a shot at +315, if grove fights smart and uses his length he can squeeze out 2 of 3 rounds to win a decision

bogbat · 11-07-10, 05:34 PM

Maia's striking seems to get better every fight. I think he'll win this one.

snake11eyes · 11-07-10, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

I took a shot with Miranda over Maia, so i'm not looking to bet against Maia again so soon. But can't blame someone for taking a shot at +315, if grove fights smart and uses his length he can squeeze out 2 of 3 rounds to win a decision

Miranda had a lot of support around here and I took a shot on him as well even though I liked Maia. This seems like the same situation, but like you said you can't fault someone for taking a chance at +315.

Kaladarus · 11-08-10, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by JediMind87

So u would say Maia's striking is 10 times better than Grove's?

Not many people consider Grove a good striker so your answer is no. I do think Maia has the edge on the feet though.

sirchadwick1 · 11-08-10, 09:06 AM

Maia definitely has the edge here... he's looked scary good lately. Too much juice to bet on him, but I won't be touching Grove at those odds.

Boddhissatva · 11-08-10, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by JediMind87

So u would say Maia's striking is 10 times better than Grove's?

Maybe 10 times was an overstatement.

But Maia's striking is better and Grove just doesn't have the chin to stand and bang. And we all see what happens time and time again when he gets caught.

Maia is a master on the ground and Grove's lengthy limbs will provide ample opportunity for another one of Maia's trade mark subs.

The most impressive win and performance by Grove was against Belcher and that was 4 or 5 years ago.

Straight Cash · 11-08-10, 04:43 PM

Grove's only chance is to utilize his reach and keep Maia outside...

Boddhissatva · 11-08-10, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Straight Cash

Grove's only chance is to utilize his reach and keep Maia outside...

Which will only buy him a couple minutes...

and it will only be a matter of time before Maia catches him with a straight or secures the take down.

terpkeg · 11-08-10, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by ddream1

terkeg did u ever have success ridding your site?

not sure what you mean. maybe you have mistaken me for someone else.

Salvan · 11-09-10, 12:22 AM

Maia's takedowns aren't great, but they will be enough for grove.

omalley21 · 11-09-10, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Salvan

Maia's takedowns aren't great, but they will be enough for grove.

Good enough to suplex Chael sonnen to the mat and make it look easy. Maia won't lose to grove.

GoldenYAK · 11-09-10, 09:30 AM

It wasn't a suplex.

Vaughany · 11-09-10, 09:42 AM

Was like a sweep trip if I remember rightly!

ddream1 · 11-09-10, 02:53 PM

indeed then sir i apologize, i thought i read some where u had an mma site and had up for sale. my mistake.

Originally posted by terpkeg

not sure what you mean. maybe you have mistaken me for someone else.

syn^ · 11-11-10, 06:26 PM

Maia has this in the bag. No way a tito ortiz trained fighter will ever beat someone the likes of demian.