Rampage +105

[westerner]

Machida is a good striker,but hes not exactly known for having KO punching power. In rashads last fight he got got rocked by a shot from silva, but silva was injured and couldnt defend the takedown.Your machida/ shogun analogy doesnt make any sense, machida had just as many tools as shogun and even got a couple of takedowns before getting caught.Rampage has just as many tools as Rashad. Rashad has the better wretling,but rampage has the better boxing.Rampage can defend the takedown and go for the KO or get some takedowns of his own and do some ground and pound.

Machida didn't KO Rashad with a power shot, he did it with 2 super fast and accurate flurries.

He has 3 main weapons standing up: a straight left he throws on opponents coming in, and a left body kick, and stepping knee when a guy covers up from his left straight feint.

Shogun in comparison has a very strong left hook, 1-2, a very sloppy but strong right hand (he can't really throw a straight lol), very strong low kicks from both legs, and a very strong uppercut. Because he has more powerful punches and throws more techniques he made Machida guess and get hit.

If Rampage has better boxing why did his boxing not get him a KO over Forrest or Jardine? He had enough time, he had the style match ups, he's SUPPOSED TO have the the power and technique.... but it certainly didn't show did it? As far as the KO's of Wand and Chuck show anything... Rampage landed 1 punch in each of those fights. One. So you wanna say that 25 minutes with Forrest and 15 with Jardine aren't relevant but 2 punches he landed, one over a year ago and one over 2 years ago, do matter? Okay, whatever.

Silva was injured and could have beat Rashad, but he didn't, and theres no clearly way to see the difference between Thiago and Rampage than watching one KTFO Jardine and the other almost get KO by Jardine.

[westerner]

Playa, i wouldn't pay much attention to westerner. This is the same guy who said Rashad Evans was quicker and more athletic then Jon Jones.

(here comes the part where westerner reads this post and replies by going off about how he can't believe i said Jon Jones is a better fighter then Rashad Evans and Rashad would kick his ass, even though i didn't say anything like that)

Jake O'Brien is a nobody and Jon Jones looked worse against him than Rashad did in his title fight with Forrest. Jake was looking just as fast and explosive as Jon was but he kept holding his breath as he punched and gassed. Still, Jones gassed too, lol.

Were you a Mousasi fan too? Har har

Thought Hendo's wrestling > Sheilds?

[westerner]

With everything to consider I think this is a no play. Takedowns, chin, time off, and one thing I think everyone is overlooking... the emotion that is going into this fight. Who can keep their emotions in check to fight a smart fight. Who knows, they may just run at each other and just have an all out brawl.

I've never seen Rashad get out of control in a fight, he's always stuck with his gameplans except with Machida who he admits he took lightly. The guy has a masters in Psych he is just playing that uncle tom shit on Rampage to get in his head and it looks like its working.

Been following Page's career since he fought Igor, he's always been a sensitive and emotionally fragile person, now probably even moreso. He doesn't have the mental strength to be a top fighter or athlete for that matter, a good example of a type of guy that we won't see more of as MMA becomes a higher level sport with higher level athletes.

[westerner]

Rashad strategy = take rampage down and don't pass his guard.

Looks like someone is a GSP/Jackson hater and is letting their personal feelings judge the outcome of the fight... you don't have to be so transparent lol

[Eccocide]

Dunno why ppl are talking like Rashad has a good standup game. Please go watch his fights at 205 and tell me where you see any sort of quality striking.

Ortiz - Lost, got a draw because Tito grabbed the cage
Bisping - Won a split decision, even though IMO he lost the fight - didnt win the stand up and Bisping's standup is average at best
Liddell - was losing the fight all in the standup, until he caught Chuck with the overhand.
Griffin - lost the first 2 rounds (all in the standup). Yes was getting picked apart...by Forrest Griffin....on the feet...Was able to win because Griffin stumbled throwing a leg kick which left him in Rashads guard
Machida - self explanatory
Thiago Silva - Thiago had severe back issues and still kept the fight close. Mocked Rashad in the 3rd as Rashads tank was on E.

Guy made a name for himself by knocking out Chuck in a fight he was losing. Rampage's main weakness in the standup game is defending leg kicks. Rashad has never shown a tendency to throw these. He rarely throws kicks except for a high kick here and there. If Rashad decides to stand with Rampage, he is making a very bad decision.

[1UP]

Are there any round props yet?

[JohnnyD4916]

I would like to see Rampage win this one, but I'm not betting much on this.

[JuicedUp]

Im thinking the best bet on this fight is into a case of beer, and just sitting back and watching it. Dont really see alot of value on either side as it really could go either way.

Very solid play!

[westerner]

Dunno why ppl are talking like Rashad has a good standup game. Please go watch his fights at 205 and tell me where you see any sort of quality striking.

Ortiz - Lost, got a draw because Tito grabbed the cage
Bisping - Won a split decision, even though IMO he lost the fight - didnt win the stand up and Bisping's standup is average at best
Liddell - was losing the fight all in the standup, until he caught Chuck with the overhand.
Griffin - lost the first 2 rounds (all in the standup). Yes was getting picked apart...by Forrest Griffin....on the feet...Was able to win because Griffin stumbled throwing a leg kick which left him in Rashads guard
Machida - self explanatory
Thiago Silva - Thiago had severe back issues and still kept the fight close. Mocked Rashad in the 3rd as Rashads tank was on E.

Guy made a name for himself by knocking out Chuck in a fight he was losing. Rampage's main weakness in the standup game is defending leg kicks. Rashad has never shown a tendency to throw these. He rarely throws kicks except for a high kick here and there. If Rashad decides to stand with Rampage, he is making a very bad decision.

LOL griffin stumbled to the ground from throwing an off balance leg kick? He got countered when he threw it and taken down, you nut.

[Eccocide]

LOL griffin stumbled to the ground from throwing an off balance leg kick? He got countered when he threw it and taken down, you nut.

I meant to say stumble after throwing a leg kick and getting caught which left him in guard against Rashad. Sorry i messed up part of the sentence. Regardless, he lost the first 2 rounds standing with Griffin. Is your only beef with all of what i posted that i missed "got caught" in one example? lol....

[Vrakas]

rampage has no chance of winning this fight.

[playa420]

rampage has no chance of winning this fight.

**** that shit, Rashads getting his ass whooped

[westerner]

**** that shit, Rashads getting his ass whooped

Like Sheilds did, and Machida in the rematch, and Mousasi against Mo... I love the whole conventional wisdom thing, its great to watch crumble when reality happens.

[Kaladarus]

As far as emotions go, watch primetime and you can see that Rampage is going to have the problem. The difference between Rashad's standup 10fights ago and Rashad's standup now is significant, while Rampage hasn't been training for the longest time and has probably lost standup skill. Also everyone talking about Rashad's standup needs to understand that Rashad has changed as a fighter completely. Many thought Thiago would pick him apart. Why didn't he? Rashad is a mixed martial artist, he'll take the fight wherever he can win it. Ramapge has one thing, boxing. Rashad will come in with a game plan and do what needs to be done to win the fight. Rampage will come in and try to box. In the past Rashad has gone off his game plan to show his striking. This wasn't the case against Thiago and won't be the case against Rampage. Rampage is pissed off and coming into this fight angry, while Rashad is calm and ready for an easy win.

[The HOFF]

If Rashad was smart, he would kick the shit out of Rampage's lead leg in round one. Rampage DOES NOT CHECK KICKS. Take away the leg and out goes Rampage's power and takedown defense.

[Retibol]

Rashad is a very underestimated fighter, for no reason.
Those who got Rashad at +130 can be happy

[donkdown]

tito ortiz is the best ever... he beats pornstars ass free pts bitches!!

[need4speed]

Rampage has a cool nickname though!

[playa420]

As far as emotions go, watch primetime and you can see that Rampage is going to have the problem. The difference between Rashad's standup 10fights ago and Rashad's standup now is significant, while Rampage hasn't been training for the longest time and has probably lost standup skill. Also everyone talking about Rashad's standup needs to understand that Rashad has changed as a fighter completely. Many thought Thiago would pick him apart. Why didn't he? Rashad is a mixed martial artist, he'll take the fight wherever he can win it. Ramapge has one thing, boxing. Rashad will come in with a game plan and do what needs to be done to win the fight. Rampage will come in and try to box. In the past Rashad has gone off his game plan to show his striking. This wasn't the case against Thiago and won't be the case against Rampage. Rampage is pissed off and coming into this fight angry, while Rashad is calm and ready for an easy win.

Rampage loves to stand and bang, but he does have wrestling skills.If rashad starts playing the takedown game alot, I wouldnt be shocked if rampage starts going for some takedowns of his own. Rampage is definitely not an easy fight for anyone

[playa420]

I've never seen Rashad get out of control in a fight, he's always stuck with his gameplans except with Machida who he admits he took lightly. The guy has a masters in Psych he is just playing that uncle tom shit on Rampage to get in his head and it looks like its working.

Been following Page's career since he fought Igor, he's always been a sensitive and emotionally fragile person, now probably even moreso. He doesn't have the mental strength to be a top fighter or athlete for that matter, a good example of a type of guy that we won't see more of as MMA becomes a higher level sport with higher level athletes.

ur outta ur damn mind, have you seen rampage fight before. Hes one of the toughest dudes ive ever seen, he can take a ton of punishment and wont give a ****.Hes already a top fighter, pound for pound.

[vassman86]

If Rashad was smart, he would kick the shit out of Rampage's lead leg in round one. Rampage DOES NOT CHECK KICKS. Take away the leg and out goes Rampage's power and takedown defense.

That's actually an excellent strategy, especially with Rashad's wrestling background. But, nonetheless, I still think this is a good price to take Rampage.

[Tree Rollins]

Looks like someone is a GSP/Jackson hater and is letting their personal feelings judge the outcome of the fight... you don't have to be so transparent lol

What are you rambling about now?

I'm not a gsp/jackson hater and i have a lot of respect for good wrestlers. I don't mind watching a fighter with a dominant wrestling game or ground game or whatever. One thing i do not respect though is when you take a guy down and don't try to advance your position and blatantly lay there trying to kill time; that's not mma.

If rashad takes rampage down and works and tries to do something with the position, i have no problem with that, even if he's on top of rampage the entire fight i won't complain. Knowing Rashad however, he'll do his damnedest to lay there as long as possible if he can get the position.

[GoldRush7]

It's going to be interesting to see how the time off has affected Rampage

[waco66]

rashad did almost NO damage to thiago once he took him down in the first two rounds of that fight.

odds at bm are -115 each fighter..rampage was at +105 two days ago

[westerner]

I meant to say stumble after throwing a leg kick and getting caught which left him in guard against Rashad. Sorry i messed up part of the sentence. Regardless, he lost the first 2 rounds standing with Griffin. Is your only beef with all of what i posted that i missed "got caught" in one example? lol....

Nah I have no beef its just funny. Rashad and Rampage both have only slightly better than average striking at this time. Shogun's striking is horribly incomplete and sloppy at times and he still ****ing murders both of them.

Rampage's best punch he's thrown in the last 5 years was the right hook to Chuck and he hasn't shown the level of technical polish or anything close to it since he left Juanito. Shocking, I know, that working with a real world class boxing trainer can help you learn how to box real good real fast, but if you leave them and train with bums you start looking lost and unsure, like a streetfighter again vs Jardine. Even in the Wand fight, it was so short but he still did things he didn't when he was with Juanito. Wand was landing more and Rampage didn't want to engage even though he would go forward, he even shot for a takedown and got stuffed. Just before the KO wand was coming on more and more and he simply ran at Rampage's cover and threw 2 stupid wide hooks with his chin open and got put out. Nothing about what Rampage did was illuminating or even positive really, people just remember the KO and not the 10 leg kicks and 5 counters he ate while not having the stomach to commit to a single exchange vs a smaller and weaker fighter with a degraded chin who HE ALSO HATED.

[westerner]

What are you rambling about now?

I'm not a gsp/jackson hater and i have a lot of respect for good wrestlers. I don't mind watching a fighter with a dominant wrestling game or ground game or whatever. One thing i do not respect though is when you take a guy down and don't try to advance your position and blatantly lay there trying to kill time; that's not mma.

If rashad takes rampage down and works and tries to do something with the position, i have no problem with that, even if he's on top of rampage the entire fight i won't complain. Knowing Rashad however, he'll do his damnedest to lay there as long as possible if he can get the position.

HIs last fight he was coming off his first ever loss and it was by KO, can you cut the guy a break? He's never LnP'd anyone at 205 and Thiago has a ton of power plus a huge reach and a great top game. The only safe thing to do was get on top, and if he passed to side he could have easily got reversed. I guess Brock should have tried to pass to mount against Frank Mir instead of planting him on his back and controlling him, because you know, losing is better than being labelled a boring wrestler.

[westerner]

ur outta ur damn mind, have you seen rampage fight before. Hes one of the toughest dudes ive ever seen, he can take a ton of punishment and wont give a ****.Hes already a top fighter, pound for pound.

I haven't seen him on a p4p list since he lost to Forrest.

His body and his big ass head is tough but his mind isn't. He quit vs Saku, Wand, Shogun AND Forrest. He's simply not strong mentally. I've never seen him come back from a beat down have you?

The best 2 performanes of his career were vs Chuck 1 and vs Hendo, both guys way slower and less explosive than him, both guys with almost zero stand up defense, and both guys styles play directly into Rampage's strengths (chin, strength, physicality). If you wanna see Rampage fight like someone who is Rampaging watch the first Chuck fight. You'd probably really like it since you seem to be a page fan but it seems you haven't seen it or you'd know how different he is now. That fight was the last time he took major shots and kept coming forward swinging, and thats how he won, he waded threw everything chuck threw at him. He didn't show any fear at all, but in his next fight he fought Wanderlei the first time and we (well us old time fans) remember what happened then. The beatdown he received changed him forever, he never fought the same after that. Shogun did the same thing chuck did, coming forward behind sloppy power punches and what did Rampage do? He covered, and covered, and rolled, and covered, and got backed up into the ropes, hit with uppercuts, knees, kicked the face, kneed to the face, uppercut again... he had no will to fight back. He never did after that and since then he's been the same gunshy fighter except for when Juanito got with him and gave him some confidence again. Then he quit against forrest and threw Juanito under the bus.

[Collecting]

tito ortiz is the best ever... he beats pornstars ass free pts bitches!!

Yeah, he does it for free, while others get paid to do it, totally makes him the best ever.

[playa420]

I haven't seen him on a p4p list since he lost to Forrest.

His body and his big ass head is tough but his mind isn't. He quit vs Saku, Wand, Shogun AND Forrest. He's simply not strong mentally. I've never seen him come back from a beat down have you?

The best 2 performanes of his career were vs Chuck 1 and vs Hendo, both guys way slower and less explosive than him, both guys with almost zero stand up defense, and both guys styles play directly into Rampage's strengths (chin, strength, physicality). If you wanna see Rampage fight like someone who is Rampaging watch the first Chuck fight. You'd probably really like it since you seem to be a page fan but it seems you haven't seen it or you'd know how different he is now. That fight was the last time he took major shots and kept coming forward swinging, and thats how he won, he waded threw everything chuck threw at him. He didn't show any fear at all, but in his next fight he fought Wanderlei the first time and we (well us old time fans) remember what happened then. The beatdown he received changed him forever, he never fought the same after that. Shogun did the same thing chuck did, coming forward behind sloppy power punches and what did Rampage do? He covered, and covered, and rolled, and covered, and got backed up into the ropes, hit with uppercuts, knees, kicked the face, kneed to the face, uppercut again... he had no will to fight back. He never did after that and since then he's been the same gunshy fighter except for when Juanito got with him and gave him some confidence again. Then he quit against forrest and threw Juanito under the bus.

First off, Rampage never quit shit. In his pride days he was training with amateurs and took the shogun fight on short notice.In his fight with forrest he showed up fat,outta shape, and admits he didnt take forrest seriously.With all that being said he still beat forrest,but got robbed by a shity decision.Right now Rampage is motivated,focused and in shape.Rashad has woken up a beast and hes gonna pay for it saturday night.RIP Rashad

[playa420]

Nah I have no beef its just funny. Rashad and Rampage both have only slightly better than average striking at this time. Shogun's striking is horribly incomplete and sloppy at times and he still ****ing murders both of them.

Rampage's best punch he's thrown in the last 5 years was the right hook to Chuck and he hasn't shown the level of technical polish or anything close to it since he left Juanito. Shocking, I know, that working with a real world class boxing trainer can help you learn how to box real good real fast, but if you leave them and train with bums you start looking lost and unsure, like a streetfighter again vs Jardine. Even in the Wand fight, it was so short but he still did things he didn't when he was with Juanito. Wand was landing more and Rampage didn't want to engage even though he would go forward, he even shot for a takedown and got stuffed. Just before the KO wand was coming on more and more and he simply ran at Rampage's cover and threw 2 stupid wide hooks with his chin open and got put out. Nothing about what Rampage did was illuminating or even positive really, people just remember the KO and not the 10 leg kicks and 5 counters he ate while not having the stomach to commit to a single exchange vs a smaller and weaker fighter with a degraded chin who HE ALSO HATED.

are youu serious with some of this shit, im stating to think your just a ****ing hater!!!

[Tree Rollins]

are youu serious with some of this shit, im stating to think your just a ****ing hater!!!

Westerner is a foolish clown. Please, pay no attention to him.

[westerner]

First off, Rampage never quit shit. In his pride days he was training with amateurs and took the shogun fight on short notice.In his fight with forrest he showed up fat,outta shape, and admits he didnt take forrest seriously.With all that being said he still beat forrest,but got robbed by a shity decision.Right now Rampage is motivated,focused and in shape.Rashad has woken up a beast and hes gonna pay for it saturday night.RIP Rashad

LOL I'm the clown and you don't even know the name of his first camp that put him on the map? Colin Oyama, homeboy, you probably have no idea who he is or where the camp is let alone what he looks like. DO you know who Juanito Ibarra is?

He wasn't that out of shape for Forrest, and against hendo he got taken down 4 times... hendo is an old middleweight bro. Page couldn't take him down until he gassed and he only did it twice in a 5 round fight.

Rampage fought best against guys he doesnt hate and with decent camps behind him, fights like Chuck 1,2, Hendo even Igor. Rampage has an excuse for every single fight he ever lost and he left the only good camps he was ever in cuz he blamed them not his poor performance. Hes a headcase and he can't control his emotions, he has a punchers chance and thats it.

[westerner]

Westerner is a foolish clown. Please, pay no attention to him.

Dude **** off seriously, this is combat sports we're talking about and you tards clearly don't do any research. If you watch tape its ****ing highlights, yall are straight up goofs.

Illmatick vaughany and some other guys kill it but your a joke

[teaserpleaser]

a true toss up fight i want to pick sugar but wouldnt bet on it gl yal going to be a good scrap i think

[inflames]

on rampage