Machida vs. Jon Jones?

MickChunky · 05-09-10, 11:08 PM

The outcome would be the same as last night, Machida on the ground all bloodied up. Jon Jones will one day be champion, Machida would be a nice stepping stone towards that goal.

doubleleg · 05-09-10, 11:40 PM

Interesting fight. Not sure if Jones is ready for that level of striking.

Gotta remember that Shogun has been training Thai for years, as has Machida. Jones is a new striker, more like Rashad. I do think it would be close though.

cky312 · 05-10-10, 01:49 AM

I don't think Ed Soares is dumb enough to let his newly dethroned number 2 risk going 0-2

Shane · 05-10-10, 03:17 AM

I think the UFC will continue to protect Jones for awhile from the top tier guys. I can't really say it's unfair. The dude appears to be a phenom, but he's still very, very, young - not to mention a bit raw, as well. He'll be the champion someday, though.

ngates815 · 05-10-10, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by MickChunky

The outcome would be the same as last night, Machida on the ground all bloodied up. Jon Jones will one day be champion, Machida would be a nice stepping stone towards that goal.

Agreed. But then again, I always want to see Machida on the ground, bloodied up. I'm not sure why, but he doesn't entertain me very much at all.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 05-10-10, 10:14 AM

curious to see who they'll give machida next, doubt it will be one of the younger guys like Jones/Bader/Davis, or a guy close to a tile shot like Couture/lil Nog. Most likely Griffin/Jardine/Franklin

THE_LOCKSMITH · 05-10-10, 10:18 AM

Brandon vera vs Machida would be a good match too

Tree Rollins · 05-10-10, 10:50 AM

Machida vs. Lil Nog would be interesting.

Eccocide · 05-10-10, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

Machida vs. Lil Nog would be interesting.

Won't happen unless it's for the title. They r great friends.

And machida would roll through jones at this point in their careers. Seeing machida knocked out on Saturday may be going to ur heads a little bit lol.

Tree Rollins · 05-10-10, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Eccocide

Won't happen unless it's for the title. They r great friends. And machida would roll through jones at this point in their careers. Seeing machida knocked out on Saturday may be going to ur heads a little bit lol.

I know Machida is 20x more accomplished then Jon Jones at this point in their careers. I never said Jones would be Machida, just that it would be an interesting matchup. Honestly though, i wouldn't be that surprised if he did beat Machida. I think Jones has the skills to hang with just about anybody. After all these flashy KO's and finishes, people are forgetting that one of Jones biggest strengths in his wrestling. His gnp has been straight up vicious. As soon as the UFC puts him up against a top-tier LHW, he'll prove himself to everyone.

Tree Rollins · 05-10-10, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Eccocide

Won't happen unless it's for the title. They r great friends. And machida would roll through jones at this point in their careers. Seeing machida knocked out on Saturday may be going to ur heads a little bit lol.

I don't know about you but i'm getting sick of this bullshit where all these guys don't want to fight each other because of their friendships. I like what shogun said the other night on MMA live when asked if he would fight anderson silva since they were friends. He said 'of course i would, i'm a professional fighter, i'll fight anyone'. The fans are missing out on to many good match-ups because of this shit.
I'd fight my own brother for a few hundred g's.

need4speed · 05-10-10, 03:08 PM

I think its crazy, that so many people though Machida was going to be a champ for so long, and he lasted 2 fights and it should have been one. I think the loser of the evans/jackson fight gets Jones and Machida probably gets an easy fight and then a rematch vs. the winner of Rua/winner of evans vs jackson

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 03:18 PM

i would take jon jones over machida/rua with a quickness, machida/rua would be on his back 60 seconds into the fight eating the same elbows vera tasted. And once this kid has the jab mastered he will be nearly impossible to touch because his reach is freakish.

Eccocide · 05-10-10, 04:01 PM

I like Jones just as much as the next guy but I try to be a little realistic in my assessment. He's beaten 1 top 15 fighter at best - lets give him some time before saying he would dismantle the #2 LHW in the world lol.

And he would have to take Machida/Rua down within 60 seconds because his striking is rudamentary compared to theirs. Shogun's legkicks would do very bad things to Jones's chicken legs. Let's see his jiu-jitsu a little first as well. 2 Hype trains in Mousasi and Machida have been derailed recently...push this guy too fast and it will be another.

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 04:05 PM

machida was not a hype train, Rua landed 1 punch that ended the fight, nothing more, nothing less. Rua did not go in there and pick apart machida, machida was winning the round(doesnt mean anything really, just too say it was compitive) up until the last exchange. The punch rua landed is the same Serra landed on GSP and Belfort landed on Franklin, nothing more nothing less.

And rua can not stop a takedown from someone like Jon jones, coleman took him down with ease, vera has great TDD and jones broke him down. Machida took him down with ease, twice.

Eccocide · 05-10-10, 04:07 PM

I guess you are ignoring the fact that Machida lost the first fight and are just chalking this one up as a fluke...thats fine...you thought Mousasi beat Lawal as well. I get it lol.

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 04:10 PM

where did i say mousasi beat lawal, please go into the thread and highlight, i brought that up the first time you said it and you never responded because you clearly like to put words in other peoples mouth.

just like the post above
"I guess you are ignoring the fact that Machida lost the first fight and are just chalking this one up as a fluke"

Not only did i not say that, that fight has nothing to do with what i did say.

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 04:14 PM

machida took rua down with ease twice, too think jones couldnt would be foolish on anyones part.

Eccocide · 05-10-10, 04:25 PM

I guess we have a different theories of derailing hype trains. Losing pretty much 2 fights in a row when most of the MMA community deemed it then Machida Era where he was going to have this massive run as champion to me is considered derailing. I never said Shogun dominated either fight. He didnt have to dominate to derail a hype train. If you have a different definition then fine, but I didnt put words in anyone's mouth. I didn't construe anything you said. I simply pointed out the fact that by not mentioning the first fight, you are ignoring part of the reason the hype train was derailed. Its a culmination IMO....

As for the Lawal/Mousasi fight - lets be honest. You and Illmatick had a debate over the legitimacy of the win for multiple posts. You may not have said "Mousasi won the fight" and your argument was the American rules but every indication of what you posted insinuated that he should have...."this was a championship fight.. "Mo didnt win no championship like that", "Mousasi outlanded him in every round", "Lawal didnt land a punch till round 4", "unified rules are garbage", "if the fight was in dream Mousasi would have won"m "Lawal got his ass whooped and tooled".

And you talked about how Mo's hype train was derailed after that fight? What about Mousasi's? He was the high and mighty LHW version of Fedor. Already top 10 P4P before beating anyone in the top 10 lol...Im not saying these are your acclimations but this is what was being said for months in the MMA community.

And also, speaking of putting words in someones mouth - never once did I say Jones couldnt take RUa down. I said that was his best option. I didn't even deny the fact that he could do it quickly....but anyway.

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 04:55 PM

hahah where did i say you said that?

i didnt put any words in your mouth my friend, all i said it be foolish for anyone to think jones cant take rua down.

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 05:04 PM

now looks like rua has to worry about randys TDs, i thought this just a rumor but looks like it is true, if randy gets past toney. After seeing vera do some good damage on randy, even when randy gets some TDs, i dont think he is going to last 5 rounds.

Eccocide · 05-10-10, 05:07 PM

haha okay touche (cant do the accent on the e dammit!)...you didnt say I said that - but we were discussing something and you said "and Rua cant stop the takedown from guy like Jones, etc, etc" in response me to saying "he would have to take them down, etc, etc"...I took it that you were responding to me since no one else was in the discussion. But if you were just randomly pointing it out then i misinterpreted.

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 05:10 PM

no doubt, i prolly should have worded it better since we are the only two in here, it definitely seemed directed at you

my bad

so what you think about rua/couture?

Eccocide · 05-10-10, 05:15 PM

Well I had just read on Bloody Elbow that Dana confirmed the winner of Rampage/Rashad was getting the title shot. Said it on a radio show.

CD: Shogun’s manager recently said that if Randy Couture gets past James Toney, he could see Randy being Rua’s first title defense. Is that a possibility?

Dana White: The winner of the Rampage Jackson vs Rashad Evans fight will get the first shot at Shogun.

But if it falls through and it is Randy I think Randy is in some trouble if he cant lay on him for 5 rounds. He struggled with Nog on the feet and Nog's speed is so slow nowadays. Plus Shoguns TDD isnt spectacular but he is good at getting back to the feet. I would find it hard to believe that Randy could keep him on the ground for 25 minutes. As well, ppl have been successful with leg and body kicks against Randy. I just dont think its a good matchup for him. But he's proven me wrong in the past lol.

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 05:17 PM

ya i think rua would beat him too.

Just read that article on bloody elbow, im glad its page/rashad and not randy.

illmatick · 05-10-10, 05:21 PM

Rua just proved to be Machida's kryptonite, super aggressive muay thai is just too much for machida's karate.... I did have machida winning that round but it was apparent early on that Rua was going to probably catch him either way, the way Rua was anticipating Machida's movement was just brilliant on his part

honestly don't see rua lasting as champ for too long with that take down defense, hell I think stylistically Griffen could give him a run for his money, not saying he would beat rua again but if he looks to work rua on the ground again I could see it happening

knownone · 05-10-10, 09:30 PM

Jon Jones would get killed... That kid has so many holes in his stand up Machida would pick him apart.

Also, Shogun is no different than anyone else he already said he wouldn't fight Wanderlei so don't use him as an example.

knownone · 05-10-10, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

Rua just proved to be Machida's kryptonite, super aggressive muay thai is just too much for machida's karate.... I did have machida winning that round but it was apparent early on that Rua was going to probably catch him either way, the way Rua was anticipating Machida's movement was just brilliant on his part

honestly don't see rua lasting as champ for too long with that take down defense, hell I think stylistically Griffen could give him a run for his money, not saying he would beat rua again but if he looks to work rua on the ground again I could see it happening

Shogun has good takedown defense, I don't think he expect Machida to try and take him down though...

It's hard for me to see anyone beating a healthy Shogun he's so good in every aspect of MMA; He easily has the best cardio in the division... If I had to choose I wouldn't pick Griffen; maybe Rashad and his takedowns?? idk.

Tree Rollins · 05-10-10, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by knownone

Jon Jones would get killed... That kid has so many holes in his stand up Machida would pick him apart.

Also, Shogun is no different than anyone else he already said he wouldn't fight Wanderlei so don't use him as an example.

I was just going by what the guy said about silva. I don't keep up with him quote for quote. All i know is Dana White needs to put a stop to this shit about 'i'm not going to fight this guy because of this reason". If he nips it in the bud right now, he might be able to take care of it. If he let's it continue, it's going to be a problem forever. The reason UFC is so much better then boxing is because you don't have so much politics involved in who is fighting who.

cky312 · 05-11-10, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

I was just going by what the guy said about silva. I don't keep up with him quote for quote. All i know is Dana White needs to put a stop to this shit about 'i'm not going to fight this guy because of this reason". If he nips it in the bud right now, he might be able to take care of it. If he let's it continue, it's going to be a problem forever. The reason UFC is so much better then boxing is because you don't have so much politics involved in who is fighting who.

I think it might be possible for certain fighters to fight each if they were friends. But unless they're title fights. two fighters from the same camp would not fight each 99% of the time. Reasons being who would leave camp? Obviously they can't train under the same roof anymore. Depending on the result of the fight, can the fighter come back to camp without any bad feelings or animosity? Likely no. Whoever leaves is likely at a huge disadvantage having to adjust to new coaching, training, corner-men, sparring partners. It's just too much of a lose-lose for most fighters under the same camp to do such a thing. That is of course unless they get boxing like prime ppv money.

babyanni · 05-11-10, 12:09 PM

vera machida would be cool

Tree Rollins · 05-11-10, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by cky312

I think it might be possible for certain fighters to fight each if they were friends. But unless they're title fights. two fighters from the same camp would not fight each 99% of the time. Reasons being who would leave camp? Obviously they can't train under the same roof anymore. Depending on the result of the fight, can the fighter come back to camp without any bad feelings or animosity? Likely no. Whoever leaves is likely at a huge disadvantage having to adjust to new coaching, training, corner-men, sparring partners. It's just too much of a lose-lose for most fighters under the same camp to do such a thing. That is of course unless they get boxing like prime ppv money.

When fighters get to the upper echelon they go around and train with different camps and different fighters anyway, it happens all the time. If you're a well-known fighter, you'll have the option of going to train with some great camps. What's so bad about that? you improve yourself as a fighter by learning new things and trying different, proven, training techniques.

These guys i'm sure know exactly what they would do if they had to fight someone in their camp. It's happened probably hundreds of times in the history of mma where friends or training partners had to fight each other. I've never heard anyone use the excuse that they don't want to leave camp, it's more like they just don't want to 1-fight a guy who knows their secrets 2-the guy is really tough and they they're afraid to lose anyway or 3- they really are just good friends and would rather not fight. Which is all too bad. This isn't a perfect world, it's professional competitive fighting for big money.

need4speed · 05-11-10, 12:58 PM

Bones Jones is the truth.

westerner · 05-14-10, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by need4speed

Bones Jones is the truth.

Reading this thread it makes me cringe knowing a lot of you bet a few bills an event saying the shit you do.

Anyone who thinks Machida doesn't run a train on Jones is nuts. He positively smashed Rashad because he has a issue with his foot work, but Rashad is still faster, more seasoned, a better athlete, far less mistake prone and better all around than Jones is. Sure the guy has potential but he has a few years til he completely fills out (then it will get hard to make 205) and he is still very green as seen against Vera. Yeah, I said it. While for most of you that fight is an excuse to have psuedo-sexual fantasies about Jones, I see the arm he posted on in top position thats an easy armbar, and a host of other things along the same lines. Also, he's shown terrible gas in most of his fights.

I don't know why folks would be so into betting and try to convince themselves so much of their opinions on fighters and fights, and convince themselves their picks are gonna win INSTEAD of simply learning about the game and watching tape, doing research and actually figuring it out.