5 Dimes Grades Greg Hardy "Any Other Result" As No Action and Refuses to Pay

[gym rat]

I wagered on:

$300.00	$250.00	$300.00	Cancelled	10/18/19 10:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1222 Any other result -120* vs Hardy wins in round 1

I wagered on "Any Other Result" which includes a NO Contest. However 5 Dimes Live Chat says they are No Actioning every prop bet for the fight since it was changed to a NO Contest.

This is a complete robbery. I explained that Any Other Result includes a NO Contest as this would be included in any and all other results. They just say their decision is final.

Any suggestions , or help from SBR or a 5 Dimes Rep ? Otherwise this is a complete robbery by an A rated book here.

[unlearn]

Every single bet on this fight was canceled since fight was ruled no contest

[Thrilla]

Unfortunately SBR is fukkbuddies with 5Dimes. The mods deleted every negative comment in that 5dimes owner got kidnapped thread.

So I'm not sure SBR will help you out here.

[turbozed]

No Contest literally means the fight didn't happen. It's treated the same as if both guys pulled out of the fight before fight day.

If you bet a fight "any other result" that doesn't include No Contests, because the fight didn't happen.

There was no result so you cashing in on any bets is impossible.

[Hugo de Naranja]

No Contest literally means the fight didn't happen. It's treated the same as if both guys pulled out of the fight before fight day.

If you bet a fight "any other result" that doesn't include No Contests, because the fight didn't happen.

There was no result so you cashing in on any bets is impossible.

It definitely sucks but Turbo is right.

[Optional]

You are welcome to send in a Sportsbook Complaint Form https://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbook-complaint/

Bookmaker.eu graded this match the same way btw.

[PaperTrail07]

That situation with Hardy should never happen again BUUUT....everyone in vegas cashes and walks away from the window....here people were paid only to have it taken back later.....I honestly think the original call INSIDE the octagon should stand....I mean what's the window of opportunity here to make the change>? Weeks later no bets are ever changed....whats the parameters here? I know everyone sees this as easy come easy go but I get it man....its frustrating as F....

[PaperTrail07]

If the fight ends and inside it is announced : NO CONTEST, I get it.....but it was 29-28 decision-then LATER CHANGED....how many decisions are later changed from PED's.....I mean honestly...just bc it was later turned NC QUICKLY shouldn't matter IMO....

It definitely sucks but Turbo is right.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Remember the Chikadze vs. Davis fight where the scores were incorrectly announced as a draw? Should they have stuck with the incorrect result or gone with what the scores actually were?

[PaperTrail07]

Hugo-Do you remember the fight where the guy incorrectly scored the card for the wrong guy and WAS NOT ALLOWED to change it.....yeah....its FINAL......(was that same fight?) .and I mean after its read....they announced their decision inside the octagon----FINAL IMO.....if you want to alter the result LATER....fine with me...but for betting purposes IMo it should be done---just my HONEST opinion...

[PaperTrail07]

And there we have it......Everyone as far as betting Hugo received a DRAW -correct......it was paid as it was announcer....nobody received a win there...

Though Davis had some success with his wrestling early, it was Chikadze, a standout professional kickboxer, who appeared to have the advantage in the striking. As it turns out, he did enough to get the win as it was later announced on Saturday’s broadcast that the scores had been incorrectly tallied and the actual result was a split decision victory for Chikadze.

[PaperTrail07]

I just think a standard needs to be set-anything announced is final- after that-even if its 10 min or 10 days or 2 weeks after a USADA overturn....no $ changes....

[Hugo de Naranja]

Not correct mate. Both the Chikadze vs. Davis and Strickland vs. McGee fights were graded with the actual result not the result that was originally announced.

[gym rat]

It seems people are not understanding my wager but I can live with it. I understand all money line wagers on either fighter to win should be cancelled even though it was announced incorrectly in the cage. My wager is a prop bet. My wager was "Any Other Result" besides a first round win for Hardy. A No Contest is inclusive into any other Result. The prop bets shouldv'e been graded accordingly.

I totally agree with all bets on Hardy to win and his opponent to win should have been cancelled. However if you bet Hardy to win in second round or Hardy to win in third round. These should have been graded as losers. And my bet for Hardy to NOT win in first round should be graded accordingly.

I just hope that 5 Dimes isn't grading some prop bets to their advantage and cancelling the ones they need to pay out on. I still think it is unjust for them to not payout on a prop such as mine but it seems most people don't get it or understand. They are just stuck on Hardy fight no contest, cancel every bet related to the fight. What if there was a no contest prop where you bet the fight would be a no contest ? Do you just cancel that bet too?

Oh well I will move on. Not worth trying to explain or contest any more.

[gym rat]

When a fight is a draw, do they cancel every prop bet ? No, they cancel the money line to win wagers and grade all props. This is how it should be conducted on No Contest fights as well and has been graded on boxing fights like this for years.

[gym rat]

I just think a standard needs to be set-anything announced is final- after that-even if its 10 min or 10 days or 2 weeks after a USADA overturn....no $ changes....

From what I can remember , recently it is whatever is announced before the UFC broadcast is over for the night is FINAL. If something is changed the following day or a week later , nothing changes.

[gym rat]

No Contest literally means the fight didn't happen. It's treated the same as if both guys pulled out of the fight before fight day.

If you bet a fight "any other result" that doesn't include No Contests, because the fight didn't happen.

There was no result so you cashing in on any bets is impossible.

This is how 5Dimes graded the Hardy No Contest prop bets however they really shouldn't grade it that way.

I'm curious did anybody have any losing prop bets on this fight and get their money back? Such as the over or under 1.5 round prop bet? I'd be very curious to see if those prop bets were cancelled.

[Hugo de Naranja]

This is how 5Dimes graded the Hardy No Contest prop bets however they really shouldn't grade it that way.

I'm curious did anybody have any losing prop bets on this fight and get their money back? Such as the over or under 1.5 round prop bet? I'd be very curious to see if those prop bets were cancelled.

Yes. Literally all bets were cancelled. I bet Hardy R1, it was cancelled. Like Turbo said it’s as if the fight never happened.

[turbozed]

I just think a standard needs to be set-anything announced is final- after that-even if its 10 min or 10 days or 2 weeks after a USADA overturn....no $ changes....

I think the time window many books use is 12 hours for official results being changed. This is consistent with both the Hardy and Giga Chikadze fight (initially was a draw but corrected within an hour or so).

You can double check me on that but I've heard that now from several sources. In the end, it's a better way of doing things since we want accurate results, and don't want our bets affected by commission stupidity.

[turbozed]

This is how 5Dimes graded the Hardy No Contest prop bets however they really shouldn't grade it that way.

I'm curious did anybody have any losing prop bets on this fight and get their money back? Such as the over or under 1.5 round prop bet? I'd be very curious to see if those prop bets were cancelled.

I had a Fight goes distance bet that was cancelled.

Like I said before, the result is treated as if the fight didn't happen. As far as I know, "no contest" is not a result at all, because the fight didn't happen. You can't bet on a NC occurring or not occuring. Inside the Distance bets include only "KO, TKO, DQ, or technical decision." So even if you bet inside the the distance, and the fight was stopped as a NC in the first round, that means you don't win.

If you can find a book that actually includes betting on NC, then it casts some doubt and supports your claim, but I've looked at the rules and props for almost every mma betting site, and no book grades bet on NC. It's really against the definition of NC to do anything else but refund all wagers.

[turbozed]

Here's unibets policy for changing announced results vs official result changes. Their time window is 24 hours.

"All bet offers will be settled based on the first official result being presented. However, Unibet will take into account and settle/re-settle accordingly, following any changes to the official result issued within 24 hours after the event has taken place. For such eventuality to be considered, the protest must be attributable to incidents happening exclusively during the event, such as a line infringement, pushes or a false handover in a relay race, etc. No doping cases will be considered. The result available at the end of the aforementioned 24 hours will be deemed as binding regardless of any further protests, changes to the official result, etc."

[PaperTrail07]

My fight with Davis was graded a DRAW on Heritage as were Vegas Tickets-not trying to argue-just saying you cant wait a pending change with $ on the line

Not correct mate. Both the Chikadze vs. Davis and Strickland vs. McGee fights were graded with the actual result not the result that was originally announced.

[PaperTrail07]

I mean then that's fair....but ive never seen a 12 hour rule in stone anywhere---

I think the time window many books use is 12 hours for official results being changed. This is consistent with both the Hardy and Giga Chikadze fight (initially was a draw but corrected within an hour or so).

You can double check me on that but I've heard that now from several sources. In the end, it's a better way of doing things since we want accurate results, and don't want our bets affected by commission stupidity.

[Pr0ph3t]

Volkov-Hardy 09NOV19 UFC Moscow lol

[gym rat]

I just learned that Pinnacle Sportsbook graded the Hardy No Contest the way any intelligent sportsbook should have graded it. Obviously they cancelled/pushed if you bet the fighter to win however over/under and other props were graded accordingly. It is treated as a three round fight that did in fact take place however the final result was a No Contest (So graded similar to a Draw). It is beyond me how a sportsbook like 5Dimes is that clueless on how to grade a three round fight with a No Contest Decision. 5Dimes lost a lot of money they could have made on this fight legitimately. But I'm sure there are a lot of happy prop betters who would have lost. Unfortunately, I got the short end of the stick on this fight.

I really wish another book could emerge for Americans on MMA that could compete with 5Dimes live betting and prop bets. No other book comes close at this point.

[PaperTrail07]

yup 5D is king of MMa and props

I just learned that Pinnacle Sportsbook graded the Hardy No Contest the way any intelligent sportsbook should have graded it. Obviously they cancelled/pushed if you bet the fighter to win however over/under and other props were graded accordingly. It is treated as a three round fight that did in fact take place however the final result was a No Contest (So graded similar to a Draw). It is beyond me how a sportsbook like 5Dimes is that clueless on how to grade a three round fight with a No Contest Decision. 5Dimes lost a lot of money they could have made on this fight legitimately. But I'm sure there are a lot of happy prop betters who would have lost. Unfortunately, I got the short end of the stick on this fight.

I really wish another book could emerge for Americans on MMA that could compete with 5Dimes live betting and prop bets. No other book comes close at this point.