UFC 187: Johnson vs. Cormier (May 23, 2015)

[Shagdogy]

I'm with the Weidman backers here. I think he is an absolute tank. I have trouble betting that much juice in MMA though for anyone. Maybe for Rousey, but prob won't be on Weidman straight here for that price.

Had a gut instinct to get on Uriah Hall, but would like to watch some fight vid first to freshen my memory on Natal. I know I haven't been impressed with him.

[JIBBBY]

The thing about Weidman is he really doesn't fear standing with legendary or great strikers.. He doesn't back up and is tough as nails standing.. I don't think he will be afraid of Vitor standing.. You could clearly see that Luke Rockhold was in fear of Vitors striking and he got caught back peddling.. Gotta think Weidman really just strolled into the Octagon and beat Anderson Silva standing for the belt, he didn't flinch with Machida standing either and broke him.. Now he's got Vitor next..

Maybe I'm wrong about Weidman taking this fight to the ground???? Should be a fun fight to watch with what ever happens..

I have noticed that Vitor has become a 1 or 2 round fighter of late, if he can't finish early he gets sub'd out late as his record suggests. Really be shocked if this fight goes the 5 rounds...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Vitor-Belfort-156

[tebowned]

Lol at the people taking Zingano... months ago and that was you! Rumble bet is already cashed!

You think so? I'm 10 units deep on rumble.

[UncleChael]

You think so? I'm 10 units deep on rumble.

Rumble doesn't care if he's the dog.. he doesn't need anyone betting on him.

[tebowned]

The thing about Weidman is he really doesn't fear standing with legendary or great strikers.. He doesn't back up and is tough as nails standing.. I don't think he will be afraid of Vitor standing.. You could clearly see that Luke Rockhold was in fear of Vitors striking and he got caught back peddling.. Gotta think Weidman really just strolled into the Octagon and beat Anderson Silva standing for the belt, he didn't flinch with Machida standing either and broke him.. Now he's got Vitor next..

Maybe I'm wrong about Weidman taking this fight to the ground???? Should be a fun fight to watch with what ever happens..

I have noticed that Vitor has become a 1 or 2 round fighter of late, if he can't finish early he gets sub'd out late as his record suggests. Really be shocked if this fight goes the 5 rounds...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Vitor-Belfort-156

Not saying Weidman can't hang standing because I believe he can.
But Weidman is smart, he'll take the path of least resistance.


Vitor is the last few years has only been beaten by champs, Jones and Silva.
Before then his weakness was grappling and cardio, Randy Couture, Dan Henderson, and Tito Ortiz broke him down using their wrestling.
Weidman is arguably a better wrestler than all of them amd is in his prime. Vitor is almost 40 and off the juice. Weidman should sap his cardio early and break him down.

[tebowned]

Rumble doesn't care if he's the dog.. he doesn't need anyone betting on him.

What does that even mean? lol.

[UncleChael]

What does that even mean? lol.

The whole world can goes against Rumble and he would stand tall.

[tebowned]

The whole world can goes against Rumble and he would stand tall.

... Okay I Gotcha...

[JIBBBY]

Not saying Weidman can't hang standing because I believe he can.
But Weidman is smart, he'll take the path of least resistance.


Vitor is the last few years has only been beaten by champs, Jones and Silva.
Before then his weakness was grappling and cardio, Randy Couture, Dan Henderson, and Tito Ortiz broke him down using their wrestling.
Weidman is arguably a better wrestler than all of them amd is in his prime. Vitor is almost 40 and off the juice. Weidman should sap his cardio early and break him down.

That was my original thoughts on the aging Belfort vs Weidman going into this scrap.. Don't think Vitor is off the juice though.. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets popped for PED's right after the fight actually much like Anderson Silva just did....

Bottom line Vitor does gas out if the fight drags on.. He's never had great wrestling like Weidman either.. Weidman has him in both of those categories for sure. I believe Chris Weidman can take a better shot then Vitor as well at this point and not get KO'd..

This really could be a clinic for Chris Weidman. Chris Weidman really has been a Brazilian legend killer lately

[Shagdogy]

A lot of the photos in the lead up to this event definitely have looked like Vitor was still juicing. This video, however... not so much. Looks like he's showing his age here. Doesn't look like a guy up to the task of Weidman in his prime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0p7KY2GQ6M

[fitguy67]

lot of the dogs on the card have a bit better chance in the real world than the chance implied by the price...i like 6 of them, first and foremost RJ who should be favored (but i'm glad he isn't)...only worry here for RJ-backers, tho' is the gas-tank (aka. pillsbury's done a few 5-rounders...rumble hasn't...cuz he hasn't had to, which could become a drawback a la Thatch v Bendo, which you recall was the squasher all the Thatch backers expected UNTIL the deep water set in)...

anyhow, yesterday i took
AJ +115 (ML)...

5-dog/20-slice (10 doubles/10 triples), 1u "cover charge" (0.05u/slice), composed of
Belfort+415,
Moraga+450,
Burkman+240,
Natal+280.
Pyle+230
which could very well be a straight up donation, but the wonderfulness of the payout escalates quite rapidly if more than 2 of these guys manage to "surprise"
(of the five fights involved, i personally would name pyle, burkman, and belfort as my "gun to head" straight-up picks...with the odds so fat that even 2 of 'em winning refunds most of my ticket and anything beyond that is $-gravy...so this fun raffle ticket doubles as a "real bet" for me, given my read of the probs/prices involved)

[beermankirk]

on Rumble +115,

and paying the kool aid man on a 2teamer: Dodson/Cowboy Cerrone pays -185

[beermankirk]

small on Moraga +460

[fitguy67]

on Rumble +115,

and paying the kool aid man on a 2teamer: Dodson/Cowboy Cerrone pays -185

you just reminded me of my other play on the card...
parlayed the same two (Dodson and Cowboy) with Browne, for -126

[Unwritten Law]

This card is going to be sick! Still can't believe so many bought into the boxing BS!

[bjpenn85]

moraga lost the fight against scoggings until he locked in the sub..

[bjpenn85]

issues with these picks is that some of these fighters shouldnt really win, odds almost doesnt matter, gambling on benavides loosing? weidman losing? natal is so bad so youre banking on the unthinkable almost. i would rather bet burkman straight, vitor KO and pyle KO better odds, more likely outcome.

[rocky16]

Check out embedded. Vitor off juicd looks like a frail old man. Weidman is gonna totally punk him and smash him and his stupid looking haircut into a real looking haircut. Only underdog value on this card is burkman but if that pancake face Korean boy decides this isn't a tough man competition and grapples he'll twist birkman up into a pretzel.

DC
Weidman easily
Cerrone
Browne easily
JoeB easily
Dodson easily
Kim
Hall. Natal is a can
Gash fight who gives a fock
Scoggins easily

[Thor4140]

I somewhat agree with Uncle....while I am VERY impressed with Weidman he just has not done enough to warrant -490 IMO unless you simply have faith and trust his skills....I feel he beat a *Silva (not that he couldnt have beat a good one) which leaves his best win Vs Machida...I just feel the heart and (cheating ability) and natural skills of Vitor are somehwat being overlooked here....and lets face it....Machida has not had a BIG win in a while...

If Silva wouldn't have broken his leg he would have been stretched out of there again. Did u see that first round? He looked like he was knocked out and the next punch Weidman woke him up.

[Thor4140]

Check out embedded. Vitor off juicd looks like a frail old man. Weidman is gonna totally punk him and smash him and his stupid looking haircut into a real looking haircut. Only underdog value on this card is burkman but if that pancake face Korean boy decides this isn't a tough man competition and grapples he'll twist birkman up into a pretzel.

DC
Weidman easily
Cerrone
Browne easily
JoeB easily
Dodson easily
Kim
Hall. Natal is a can
Gash fight who gives a fock
Scoggins easily

Don't know about ur last two Rock cause i don't know shit about them but the rest of ur card looks like mine. I don't see Rumble doing anything with DC. Rumble for a time will do well with DC wrestling but this isn't Davis who couldn't knock out me. DC throws bombs also. DC can also take a big punch. Weidman is gonna destroy Vitor unless Vitor comes up with some kind of fluke submission like he almost got on JOnes. People forget fuking Chuck stood and traded with Vitor as well as Randy. These two are sloppy boxers. People see that clip of Vitor and thos fast hands and forget the guy gets hit. Great hands but the defense is suspect.

[BELM0NT]

Hey peeps. I'm new to the forum and betting. Really like the card but it seems like the odds on the underdogs are really low. Feel like I need 6 parlay to make any $. I took Belfort because I wasn't to impressed with Weidmans win over machida. I think the fight could go either way thou.

[JIBBBY]

Burkman, Pyle and Arlovski are my dog picks.. All for 50 bucks each... See what sticks.. Arlovski is a long shot gamble though and I know this.. Greg Jackson has him believing in himself and I'm rolling the dice until OG Pitbull loses again....

4 fight win streak now and counting - http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andrei-Arlovski-270

Also threw a 10 spot on this prop as it's probably the only pathway to victory for AA besides a decision win..

Sat 5/23

1329 Arlovski wins by TKO/KO

<input id="editx" name="M1_81" size="4"> +725

[PaperTrail07]

-490 is my only problem w it....Rockhold walked down and crushed machida as well

The thing about Weidman is he really doesn't fear standing with legendary or great strikers.. He doesn't back up and is tough as nails standing.. I don't think he will be afraid of Vitor standing.. You could clearly see that Luke Rockhold was in fear of Vitors striking and he got caught back peddling.. Gotta think Weidman really just strolled into the Octagon and beat Anderson Silva standing for the belt, he didn't flinch with Machida standing either and broke him.. Now he's got Vitor next..

Maybe I'm wrong about Weidman taking this fight to the ground???? Should be a fun fight to watch with what ever happens..

I have noticed that Vitor has become a 1 or 2 round fighter of late, if he can't finish early he gets sub'd out late as his record suggests. Really be shocked if this fight goes the 5 rounds...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Vitor-Belfort-156

[PaperTrail07]

Everyone says OH he is Gonna Gas eCt....well the honest thing to say here is He has not needed to go past round 1-2 for the last 4 years with JON JONES being the exception....Oh he looked tired VS JON JONES>.. yeah these guys gassed too...what bums......

Win	21–1	Daniel Cormier	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 182	02015-01-03-0000January 3, 2015	5	5:00	Las Vegas, Nevada, United States	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Defended UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Fight of the Night. Later stripped of title.</small>
Win	20–1	Glover Teixeira	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 172	02014-04-26-0000April 26, 2014	5	5:00	Baltimore, Maryland, United States	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Defended UFC Light Heavyweight Championship.</small>
Win	19–1	Alexander Gustafsson	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 165	02013-09-21-0000September 21, 2013	5	5:00	Toronto, Ontario, Canada	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Defended UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Fight of the Night. Fight of the Year.</small>
Win	18–1	Chael Sonnen	TKO (elbows and punches)	UFC 159	02013-04-27-0000April 27, 2013	1	4:33	Newark, New Jersey, United States	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Defended UFC Light Heavyweight Championship.</small>
Win	17–1	Vitor Belfort	Submission (americana)	UFC 152	02012-09-22-0000September 22, 2012	4	0:54	Toronto, Ontario, Canada	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Defended UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Submission of the Night.</small>
Win	16–1	Rashad Evans	Decision (unanimous)	UFC 145	02012-04-21-0000April 21, 2012	5	5:00	Atlanta, Georgia, United States	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Defended UFC Light Heavyweight Championship.</small>
Win	15–1	Lyoto Machida	Technical Submission (standing guillotine choke)	UFC 140	02011-12-10-0000December 10, 2011	2	4:26	Toronto, Ontario, Canada	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Defended UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Fight of the Night.</small>
Win	14–1	Quinton Jackson	Submission (rear-naked choke)	UFC 135	02011-09-24-0000September 24, 2011	4	1:14	Denver, Colorado, United States	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Defended UFC Light Heavyweight Championship. Fight of the Night.</small>
Win	13–1	Maurício Rua	TKO (punches and knees)	UFC 128	02011-03-19-0000March 19, 2011	3	2:37	Newark, New Jersey, United States	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Won UFC Light Heavyweight Championship.</small>
Win	12–1	Ryan Bader	Submission (guillotine choke)	UFC 126	02011-02-05-0000February 5, 2011	2	4:20	Las Vegas, Nevada, United States	<small style="font-size: 85%;">Submission of the Night.</small>
Win	11–1	Vladimir Matyushenko

The thing about Weidman is he really doesn't fear standing with legendary or great strikers.. He doesn't back up and is tough as nails standing.. I don't think he will be afraid of Vitor standing.. You could clearly see that Luke Rockhold was in fear of Vitors striking and he got caught back peddling.. Gotta think Weidman really just strolled into the Octagon and beat Anderson Silva standing for the belt, he didn't flinch with Machida standing either and broke him.. Now he's got Vitor next..

Maybe I'm wrong about Weidman taking this fight to the ground???? Should be a fun fight to watch with what ever happens..

I have noticed that Vitor has become a 1 or 2 round fighter of late, if he can't finish early he gets sub'd out late as his record suggests. Really be shocked if this fight goes the 5 rounds...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Vitor-Belfort-156

[JIBBBY]

Rockhold walked down and crushed machida as well

That was after Chris Weidman broke Machida first.. Wasn't the same fighter facing Luke IMO... Weidman also laid down the blue print for Luke in beating Machida..

Odds are a problem that's why I took Chris Weidman wins ITD at -190.. Belfort doesn't do 5 round fights and this shouldn't go the distance. -190 is a lot better then -490

Really playing it safe - I actually think this prop is the safest play in this fight even at -325.. I think it's a lock as you're not betting on either fighter to win or lose....

1104 Fight won't go 5 round distance

<input id="editx" name="M2_34" size="4"> -325

[PaperTrail07]

Tough to use Jon jones as the cant go 5 excuse ....do I believe Weidman has better cardio in late rounds..yes...but cant doubt vitor here...

That was after Chris Weidman broke Machida first.. Wasn't the same fighter facing Luke IMO...

Odds are a problem that's why I took Chris Weidman wins ITD at -190.. Belfort doesn't do 5 round fights and this shouldn't go the distance. -190 is a lot better then -490

[PaperTrail07]

I mean everytime I post a thread like this...it ends 29-28-28-29-29-28 BY SPLIT DECISION(example obv ) Split and I lose....then the people on Weidman will think they were way ahead haha...cant wait for these fights...your right...weidman will prob win but at 4:1 and 6:1 KO prop...this is a live pit bull

That was after Chris Weidman broke Machida first.. Wasn't the same fighter facing Luke IMO... Weidman also laid down the blue print for Luke in beating Machida..

Odds are a problem that's why I took Chris Weidman wins ITD at -190.. Belfort doesn't do 5 round fights and this shouldn't go the distance. -190 is a lot better then -490

[JIBBBY]

Tough to use Jon jones as they cant go 5 excuse ..

Weidman has alot of finishes on his record.....http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Chris-Weidman-42804 .... and yes he just went the distance with Machida but Machida is a stick and move evasive fighter.. Vitor is not.. All of Vitors fights finish early.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Vitor-Belfort-156This fight isn't going the distance..

I see Chris Weidman latching onto Vitor's neck at some point and or pounding him out on the ground...

[PaperTrail07]

JiBBBS very true but they finish early for a reason lol -he is the one ending them...Jon jones fight went past and he lost...understood....other than that he got caught by silva in the first....hard to call out his cardio when we havent really seen it required....Jon jones makes a lotta people look stupid and gassed...

[rocky16]

Don't know about ur last two Rock cause i don't know shit about them but the rest of ur card looks like mine. I don't see Rumble doing anything with DC. Rumble for a time will do well with DC wrestling but this isn't Davis who couldn't knock out me. DC throws bombs also. DC can also take a big punch. Weidman is gonna destroy Vitor unless Vitor comes up with some kind of fluke submission like he almost got on JOnes. People forget fuking Chuck stood and traded with Vitor as well as Randy. These two are sloppy boxers. People see that clip of Vitor and thos fast hands and forget the guy gets hit. Great hands but the defense is suspect.

Belfort always struggled with wrestlers and the Chris is gonna drop him and that dead ferret on his head similar to how I'd drop a snot nosed 3rd grader. Then proceed to basically have his way wrestling, ju jitsu, sexually, etc.

DC is no Phil Davis. For focks sakes Davis looked pathetic in that "fight." Basically cashed his check and went home.

[PaperTrail07]

Besides tossing him into a micarcle parlay....these confident people prob won bet posting $2450 to win $500 tickets lol....why bc deep down they know the fuckn line is off as well and know there are better spots for -490's...

[rocky16]

Hey BELMONt, Suck my Italian pekker until I explode you little phaget.

[PaperTrail07]

if your refering to tito and couture back in 2004-2005 then YES....he did struggle w those wrestlers..QUOTE=rocky16;24032773]Belfort always struggled with wrestlers and the Chris is gonna drop him and that dead ferret on his head similar to how I'd drop a snot nosed 3rd grader. Then proceed to basically have his way wrestling, ju jitsu, sexually, etc.

DC is no Phil Davis. For focks sakes Davis looked pathetic in that "fight." Basically cashed his check and went home.[/QUOTE]

[rocky16]

if your refering to tito and couture back in 2004-2005 then YES....he did struggle w those wrestlers..QUOTE=rocky16;24032773]Belfort always struggled with wrestlers and the Chris is gonna drop him and that dead ferret on his head similar to how I'd drop a snot nosed 3rd grader. Then proceed to basically have his way wrestling, ju jitsu, sexually, etc.

DC is no Phil Davis. For focks sakes Davis looked pathetic in that "fight." Basically cashed his check and went home.

[/QUOTE]

Watch how easily the Chris has his way with this Jesus freak.

[PaperTrail07]

Again....not doubting weidmans skills....just think weidman -490 is not as safe as Edgar over Faber was.....Line if off...he has the Lights off power...