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  • fitguy67
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 03-13-11
    • 5082

    #1
    Refreshing Alternative-->Cheap Imitator: Bellator's Recent Turn for the Worse
    to be fair, they didn't start going heavily down the WWE-style "entertainment industry" path until quite recently (long after UFC commited to it), when they announced their first PPV ever involving Quinton and Tito...

    before that, their tournament format and pipeline of hi-skill/lo-charisma Eastern-European fighters made Bellator a FAR less commercial, FAR less spin-doctored ("Ronda Rousey is one of the best MMA practitioners of either gender ON PLANET EARTH!!!"...should have an over-under prop on how many times that exact 3-word sequence will come out of Rogan's mouth on one broadcast,,,but i digress)...

    for obvious reasons, Bellator has always been shorter than the UFC in the overall-talent department...but, son of a bitch, they always TRIED to compensate for that by being LESS about the entertainment/marketability/etc. bullshit and MORE about the sport...it was the tournament-format selecting the next challenger that kept everything real, everything cohesive...

    but since that WWE-style "surprised by Tito" carrying the flag walkout to announce their first "Superfight" PPV attempt...they've gone full-tilt into the bullshit attention-whoring...best example is this latest crap of Quinton ("where and when's my next paycheck") Jackson and Muhammed Lawal PRETENDING (when the cameras are rolling) to hate each other..."bad blood" my ass...it's bad acting and a cringe-worthy reminder that Bellator's decided to downplay the sport and play up the attention-whoring aspects...

    I liked them MUCH better when they didn't have any end-of-career recognizable "names" in their roster...and their only pure theatre was "sweet surrender"...I'll take that any day over two 205-pounders (both good fighters/both dreadful actors) who just engaged in a snooze-fest start in with the prepared script as if there's some natural groundswell for a rematch...as if we'd just watched Hunt & Bigfot, Jones & Gustaffson...or, yes...Chandler & Alvarez
  • TheCalculator
    SBR MVP
    • 10-10-11
    • 1683

    #2
    The questionable decisions don't help either.
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    • fitguy67
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 03-13-11
      • 5082

      #3
      Originally posted by TheCalculator
      The questionable decisions don't help either.
      but that's a given...and a most-regrettable aspect of ALL MMA/boxing, independent of the banner it flies under

      In a nutshell, the sport has never REALLY been able to decide if it's a "beauty-contest" or a "damage contest"...used to fall heavily on the side of the latter...till the popularity of Ali and Ray-Fukkin'Leonard in the 70s and 80s swayed things the other way to it's current ambivalent state...therein lies the rub

      anyone want to know what the problem is with judging...and why you and even your best friends--whose judgement you respect--can't see eye to eye...after watching THE SAME fight...do this

      watch RayLeonard and Marvin Hagler's fight...yes, it's decades old...but that is the night that the sort of shit-judging we bemoan to this day got jet-propelled...by rewarding the competitor who got badly out-damaged with the "decision" in a mega-fight...so, if you want to understand the systemic judging-schizophrenia that makes any APPARENTLY-CLOSE fight SEEM closer than it really was...hence makes any decision rendered on it SEEM more controversial than it was...go back to the last key "turning point" in the evolution of judging in modern combat sports

      anyhow, WATCH LEONARD-HAGLER AND AFTER EACH & EVERY ROUND ASK YOURSELF THIS QUESTION AND THIS QUESTION ONLY: WHO WOULD I HAVE RATHER BEEN THAT ROUND?
      THEN GIVE THE GUY YOU WOULD HAVE RATHER BEEN 10...AND GIVE THE OTHER GUY 9 OR EVEN LESS IN DIRECT PROPORTION TO HOW BADLY YOU WOULD HAVE HATED TO BE THAT GUY!!!

      NOTE: IF YOU REALLY CAN'T DECIDE WHO YOU'D RATHER HAVE BEEN IN THAT ROUND--HONESTLY COULDN'T DECIDE...CUZ YOU'D HATE TO BE EITHER OF 'EM EQUALLY...THEN IT'S A 10-10 ROUND (HERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH MODERN JUDGING...THE DAMN-NEAR DISAPPPEARANCE OF THE 10-10, NO ONE SHOULD "LOSE A ROUND" ON ANY SCORECARD CUZ THE JUDGE STRETCHES TO "SAVE HIS FACE"...NOT WANTING TO APPEAR "INDECISIVE"...)

      DO THE ABOVE, AND TELL ME THAT IT WAS A CLOSE FIGHT...AND THAT THERE WAS ANY REASONABLE CASE SUPPORTING LEONARD AS "WINNER"...

      SIMPLIFY THE JUDGING CRITERIA...AND VIRTUALLY ELIMINATE THE "CONTROVERSY"...
      I LOVE COMABATIVE SPORTS BUT I LOATHE THE AMBIGUOUSLY-TERMED COUNTER-INTUITIVE HORSESHIT THAT PASSES FOR THE JUDGING OF IT


      ________

      Word-Blizzard mostly over...google Marvin Hagler, watch the only professional fight he was "judged" to have lost...and you'll know what i'm saying: WHO WOULD YOU HAVE RATHER FUKKING BEEN? Honestly, no secondary bullshit like "ring generalship"...just WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE BEEN? sounds crude, but if this simple sentence were used to score any combative sport...the majority of the controversy would disappear...(by THIS criterion...was GSP "over" Hendricks correct in any way? Again, watched/judged by THIS single clear criterion...was it even close...or controversial in any way?)...

      _______________

      so the solution is: to determine which of the following is the PRIME objective of the sport:

      1. it's a contest to "demonstrate that you skill is better" than your opponent's (aka. it's a "beauty contest")

      OR

      2. it's a contest to legally (ie. within the confines of the rules of the sport) inflict damage on your opponent (aka. it's a "damage contest)

      You must decide on ONE and ONLY ONE of these as the declared PRIME OBJECTIVE OF THE SPORT...

      THEN...bring ALL officiating in line with that decision...do not dilute it with secondary criteria that may/may not be associated with that PRIME objective (eg. you can be clearly more aggressive, exhibit far better "ring generalship/octagon control" and even perform your techniques far more beautifully than your opponent AND be getting lit up terribly)...

      repeat, bring ALL officiating in line with with it...and nothing else (apart from ensuring the legality of all actions performed in an effort to win and appropriately punishing violations)

      _____________

      Note: PLEASE choose the "damage contest" option which would bring back "who would you rather have been that round?" as the DE FACTO centrepiece of judging
      ...

      unless, of course u want all combat sports to be variants of Olympic boxing/professional point-fighting)...with all the protection from controversial decisions that's provided
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      • fitguy67
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 03-13-11
        • 5082

        #4
        Is the type of judging-philosophy overhaul I'm talking about likely to ever occur...

        of course not...we'll just continue to muddle along, co-existing with the unspoken schizophrenia ("skill assessment" or "damage assessment") that has judges sitting side by side, seeing the exact same things, but "interpreting" them different because no one wants to come out and declare ONE PRIME OBJECTIVE that can be used to judge the effectiveness all of the action they'e supposed to be judging.

        What we have now is exactly analogous to picking three men (some fascinated by and some fascinated by asses) at random and expecting some consistency in the judging of a MissNudeWold contest.
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        • fitguy67
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 03-13-11
          • 5082

          #5
          ^^^^^
          interesting how the word t_i_t_s (plural) triggers the substitution...

          but if the singular t_i_t is typed, such as " tit tit tit tit " (4 singulars in succession...that's two full sets of 'em)...no substitution

          but don't try to write the dreaded four-letter pluralized version of that same word...

          However, you gotta love the emoticon they use to substitute for it:

          hmmm...a little math for y'all: tit + tit + tit + tit = +

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          • dww123
            SBR Sharp
            • 07-06-11
            • 441

            #6
            I didn't even watch the chandler fight but i saw the press conference and it was a refreshing to see that the guy who looked beat to sh*t actually lost the fight. Will Brooks didn't have a mark on him. Chandler on the other hand....Same with Mo and Rampage. Personally i'm glad they werent giving points for TD's and doing absolutely nothing with them (speaking of the Rampage fight). I know I know, there's more to it than who looks worse, but whatever, it's a fight right? I vote No. 2!
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            • MD
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 01-31-12
              • 9728

              #7
              Originally posted by dww123
              I didn't even watch the chandler fight but i saw the press conference and it was a refreshing to see that the guy who looked beat to sh*t actually lost the fight. Will Brooks didn't have a mark on him. Chandler on the other hand....Same with Mo and Rampage. Personally i'm glad they werent giving points for TD's and doing absolutely nothing with them (speaking of the Rampage fight). I know I know, there's more to it than who looks worse, but whatever, it's a fight right? I vote No. 2!
              You're missing the most important part, which is that the fights are scored round by round. Giving Rampage any round other than two is idiotic, and pretty much amounts to giving points for missed strikes.
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              • fitguy67
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 03-13-11
                • 5082

                #8
                good point, indeed...a good interim step to get "scorecards"closer to being a true reflection of what went on, and in line with your comment, would be to add one card, representing a score on the "fight as a whole"...a three-rounder would have four cards from each judge...R1, R2, R3...and FC (full contest) for fights going the distance...

                eventually the FC score could be weighted more heavily...eg. count double...so a fighter who pitched a 3-round shutout could win, say 50-45 even tho' it were only a 3 rounder...then triple-weighted where the "fight taken as a whole' would account for 50% of the score (preferable to now, where it gets absolute zero weight)

                ideally, if a supreme being judged a fight...there' be only that FC score "submitted"/revealed to Bruce Buffer, lol

                as an educator, i've never liked marking an essay by paragraph, or by "points made"...always preferred to assign a score based on the quality of the whole effort (wrt. its effectiveness, efficiency, and perhaps even "elegance")...I find it makes me deliberate (aka. assess/evaluate="judge" in the full sense of the word) more carefully than the piecemeal approach

                a related issue is that judges are FAR TOO hesitant to give out any scores OTHER THAN goddam 10-9...i'd like to see more 10-8s, 10-7s, hell even the odd 10-6 to reflect disproportionate levels of dominance that are currently unaccouned for with the fashion to 10-9 uniscore

                AND, as i posted above in #3, i'd like to see more 10-10s as well, as it's bullshit to arbitrarily give a round to one guy cuz you don't want to appear "indecisive"...part of the reason why we have so many split and even unanimous robberies (eg. Davis "over" Machida)

                if 95% of all rounds are 10-9 scores, net of penalty-deductions, of course (and i'd say this is a low estimate for the figure)...the judges are damn-well NOT judging...they're "scoring", yes but they are NOT "assessing"/"guaging"/"evaluating" ...they're just like teenagers giving thumbs up (ie. a "10-9") or down (ie. a "9-10") to a new song they're asked to "rate"...a seal could probably be trained to auto-dole out the 10-9s with their nose on a lever, based on the sounds and shadow movements emanating from the cage at least as reliably... as the idiots now lock-stepped into generally-mindless (almost arbitrary) "10-9ism"

                it was refreshing at B120 that by simple "luck of the draw" we got some judges who made intelligent use of the 10-8, otherwise Brooks wouldn't have had a prayer of even getting a draw...the damn television announcer was locked into a "3 rounds to 2" drone, apparently thinking that anything other than 1-round differentials required senate approval...

                with 10-9 uni-scores deciding each and every round of the the VAST majority of fights, it's exactly like declaring for a baseball game that "team A wins the game 2 innings to 1 with 6 drawn" (even tho' B scored 11 runs overall to team A's 5...but the single inning they won, say by a big margin like 7-1 is counted the same as each of A's two 1-run margin innings)...Brooks' R3 was clearly his "big inning" of the fight...it's great (and quite rare, actually...lucky for Brooks in that sense) that some judges were hip to that beat
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                • NunyaBidness
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 07-26-09
                  • 9345

                  #9
                  If you're approaching Bellator as a gambler rather than a fan you should be happy with the mishyped fights. There's a reason why UFC main events are more consistently mispriced than undercards.
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                  • gabe
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                    • 09-12-11
                    • 7405

                    #10
                    Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                    If you're approaching Bellator as a gambler rather than a fan you should be happy with the mishyped fights. There's a reason why UFC main events are more consistently mispriced than undercards.
                    One of the first two fights of about every UFC card this year has had a dog hit, usually the first fight of the night

                    this goes back to last year, too.

                    for the past two years, if you only bet the dogs on the first two prelims on every card you'll be up pretty big
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                    • rocky16
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                      • 07-22-12
                      • 1905

                      #11
                      Originally posted by gabe
                      One of the first two fights of about every UFC card this year has had a dog hit, usually the first fight of the night

                      this goes back to last year, too.

                      for the past two years, if you only bet the dogs on the first two prelims on every card you'll be up pretty big
                      Hey look the little focking femme boy is back. Did your attempt at a stand up career fail u rag headed phaget.
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                      • NunyaBidness
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 07-26-09
                        • 9345

                        #12
                        Originally posted by gabe
                        One of the first two fights of about every UFC card this year has had a dog hit, usually the first fight of the night

                        this goes back to last year, too.

                        for the past two years, if you only bet the dogs on the first two prelims on every card you'll be up pretty big
                        I actually almost quantified my statement by saying "Compared to the rest of the main card".

                        What I'm alluding to and what you're referring to are different phenomena.
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                        • rocky16
                          SBR MVP
                          • 07-22-12
                          • 1905

                          #13
                          I'm not surprised in the least. You're unfunny and you have a face that people just want to punch. You are a twerp of epic proportions. I'd like u to post your shit plays prior to every event instead of posting losers then pretending after the fact you made a last second "huge play" to put you up for the night. Would starch your punkass.
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                          • rocky16
                            SBR MVP
                            • 07-22-12
                            • 1905

                            #14
                            I used to like bellator but now its a focking joke. They put on a freak show fight where Tito fights a guy half his size and the phagets on sherdog are like "schlemko all day" "size doesn't matter in martial arts". Dumb focks. I have 130 lbs on urijah Faber. Would mop the floor with him. Then pay off the judges. No one in their right mind thinks rampage or Brooks won those fights. Vinny Mac would be proud. Shit is a joke.
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                            • MD
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                              • 01-31-12
                              • 9728

                              #15
                              Originally posted by gabe
                              One of the first two fights of about every UFC card this year has had a dog hit, usually the first fight of the night

                              this goes back to last year, too.

                              for the past two years, if you only bet the dogs on the first two prelims on every card you'll be up pretty big
                              I just went through the last five UFC cards, and not a single underdog has won in the first two fights of any of those cards.

                              Pretty sure anyone betting according to this theory is going to be a very unhappy man.
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                              • MD
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                                #16
                                You sure you're not just generalizing? There was a brief period where a few big underdogs cashed in the first couple of fights on a card, around the time of the Kim/Hathaway card (where Ediva at +400ish pretty much dominated to unanimous 30-27's). Not indicative of any sort of long-term trend, though.
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                                • rocky16
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 07-22-12
                                  • 1905

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by MD
                                  You sure you're not just generalizing? There was a brief period where a few big underdogs cashed in the first couple of fights on a card, around the time of the Kim/Hathaway card (where Ediva at +400ish pretty much dominated to unanimous 30-27's). Not indicative of any sort of long-term trend, though.
                                  Ignore the little rag headed phaget. The kid is full of shit.
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                                  • MD
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                                    • 01-31-12
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by rocky16
                                    Ignore the little rag headed phaget. The kid is full of shit.
                                    Love to see you back, man. We should discuss winnerz. Hit me up by PM for more details.
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                                    • rocky16
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-22-12
                                      • 1905

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MD
                                      Love to see you back, man. We should discuss winnerz. Hit me up by PM for more details.
                                      Will do pal.
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                                      • fitguy67
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 03-13-11
                                        • 5082

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                                        If you're approaching Bellator as a gambler rather than a fan you should be happy with the mishyped fights. There's a reason why UFC main events are more consistently mispriced than undercards.
                                        i think it's clear from my impassioned "word blizzards" (especially posts #3, and #8)...that they represent my altruistic hopes as a fan, rather than my self-serving interest as a bettor...i think i have some legitimate solid criticisms of both the marketing and (the one i feel REALLY strongly about) the judging status quo...and some equally cogent suggestions to point them in the right direction...

                                        As for the point of the OP, i'm on the record as a fan, of wanting to see fewer stunts disguised as MMA contests...but as a bettor am happy to take whatever side a value-bulge forms on.
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                                        • Vaughany
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 03-07-10
                                          • 45563

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MD
                                          I just went through the last five UFC cards, and not a single underdog has won in the first two fights of any of those cards.

                                          Pretty sure anyone betting according to this theory is going to be a very unhappy man.
                                          lol You know Gaberz isnt great with MATH
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                                          • gabe
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                                            • 09-12-11
                                            • 7405

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by MD
                                            I just went through the last five UFC cards, and not a single underdog has won in the first two fights of any of those cards.

                                            Pretty sure anyone betting according to this theory is going to be a very unhappy man.
                                            You're right, it's 0 for the last 5 cards... but why did you stop there? Because it's 12 out of the last 18, as 12 of 13 before the last 5 events resulted in 1 (or 2) of the dogs in the first 2 prelim fights cashing

                                            Surely you went beyond the past 5 events, but decided to make this post anyway assuming no one would check. After all this time, you're still making lies to make me look bad.

                                            Best of luck to you, man. I wish you well.
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                                            • rocky16
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 07-22-12
                                              • 1905

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by gabe
                                              You're right, it's 0 for the last 5 cards... but why did you stop there? Because it's 12 out of the last 18, as 12 of 13 before the last 5 events resulted in 1 (or 2) of the dogs in the first 2 prelim fights cashing

                                              Surely you went beyond the past 5 events, but decided to make this post anyway assuming no one would check. After all this time, you're still making lies to make me look bad.

                                              Best of luck to you, man. I wish you well.
                                              No one needs to lie to make your sorry pathetic ass look bad you do it all on your own. You're a joke. A clown to laugh at.
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                                              • MD
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                                                • 01-31-12
                                                • 9728

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by gabe
                                                You're right, it's 0 for the last 5 cards... but why did you stop there? Because it's 12 out of the last 18, as 12 of 13 before the last 5 events resulted in 1 (or 2) of the dogs in the first 2 prelim fights cashing

                                                Surely you went beyond the past 5 events, but decided to make this post anyway assuming no one would check. After all this time, you're still making lies to make me look bad.

                                                Best of luck to you, man. I wish you well.
                                                But... you just admitted that what I said was true...

                                                How many events did you expect me to look at? And no, I looked at the last ten, not the last five, but you must not have read my post, because what I said is "pretty sure anyone betting according to this theory is going to be a very unhappy man"; partially because it's doing horribly recently, and partially because it's based on almost entirely coincidence.

                                                But, let's talk about lies, Gabe. These are the last 18 UFC events; events in which an underdog won in the first two fights are marked as green, otherwise they are marked as red.

                                                272 UFC Fight Night: Brown vs. Silva May 10, 2014 U.S. Bank Arena Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S. 6,143[27]
                                                271 UFC 172: Jones vs. Teixeira Apr 26, 2014 Baltimore Arena Baltimore, Maryland, U.S. 13,485[28]
                                                270 UFC on Fox: Werdum vs. Browne Apr 19, 2014 Amway Center Orlando, Florida, U.S. 17,000[29]
                                                269 The Ultimate Fighter Nations Finale: Bisping vs. Kennedy Apr 16, 2014 Colisée Pepsi Quebec City, Quebec, Canada 5,029[30]
                                                268 UFC Fight Night: Nogueira vs. Nelson Apr 11, 2014 du Arena Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates 7,963[31]
                                                267 UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Mar 23, 2014 Ginásio Nélio Dias Natal, Brazil 6,828[32]
                                                266 UFC 171: Hendricks vs. Lawler Mar 15, 2014 American Airlines Center Dallas, Texas, U.S. 19,324[33]
                                                265 UFC Fight Night: Gustafsson vs. Manuwa Mar 8, 2014 The O2 Arena London, U.K. 14,604[34]
                                                264 The Ultimate Fighter China Finale: Kim vs. Hathaway Mar 1, 2014 CotaiArena Macau, China 6,000[35]
                                                263 UFC 170: Rousey vs. McMann Feb 22, 2014 Mandalay Bay Events Center Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. 10,217[36]
                                                262 UFC Fight Night: Machida vs. Mousasi Feb 15, 2014 Arena Jaraguá Jaraguá do Sul, Brazil 7,511[37]
                                                261 UFC 169: Barao vs. Faber II Feb 1, 2014 Prudential Center Newark, New Jersey, U.S. 14,308[38]
                                                260 UFC on Fox: Henderson vs. Thomson Jan 25, 2014 United Center Chicago, Illinois, U.S. 10,895[39]
                                                259 UFC Fight Night: Rockhold vs. Philippou Jan 15, 2014 Arena at Gwinnett Center Duluth, Georgia, U.S. 5,822[40]
                                                258 UFC Fight Night: Saffiedine vs. Lim Jan 4, 2014 Marina Bay Sands Marina Bay, Singapore 5,216[41]
                                                257 UFC 168: Weidman vs. Silva 2 Dec 28, 2013 MGM Grand Garden Arena Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. 15,650[42]
                                                256 UFC on Fox: Johnson vs. Benavidez 2 Dec 14, 2013 Sleep Train Arena Sacramento, California, U.S. 11,573[43]
                                                255 UFC Fight Night: Hunt vs. Bigfoot Dec 7, 2013 Brisbane Entertainment Centre Brisbane, Australia 11,393[44]

                                                I like how you lie just a little bit and say that only one event previous to those five did not feature a dog winning. Just like with your results recaps; always gotta squeeze out the extra unit, right? And then you call me a liar despite admitting that I'm telling the truth.

                                                Also, you know how I picked a nice, round number like, say, five? And you picked a strange number like 18? That's because the 19th and 20th events both featured no dogs winning in the first two fights.

                                                I wasn't even attacking you with my original comment, I only looked it up because I was curious to find out if it was true. Calm your vag.
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                                                • Vaughany
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 03-07-10
                                                  • 45563

                                                  #25
                                                  In before token comment.... "God u are so dumb...i was smokin weed and made a slight error, god you are all so desperate picking up on every error. So what that i said i went 19-4 when it was actually 8-13, easy mistake to make, god u are all so dumb"
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                                                  • Beelzebubzy
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 06-06-11
                                                    • 6995

                                                    #26
                                                    Jibby vs Gabby

                                                    Im on Team Killian
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                                                    • MD
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                                                      • 01-31-12
                                                      • 9728

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                                      Jibby vs Gabby

                                                      Im on Team Killian
                                                      Gabe by KO, R1. Even Tito Ortiz can win a fight, and Gabe hasn't fallen that hard.
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                                                      • Vaughany
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 03-07-10
                                                        • 45563

                                                        #28
                                                        Never bet against an Armo.
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                                                        • gabe
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                                                          • 09-12-11
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MD
                                                          But... you just admitted that what I said was true...

                                                          How many events did you expect me to look at? And no, I looked at the last ten, not the last five, but you must not have read my post, because what I said is "pretty sure anyone betting according to this theory is going to be a very unhappy man"; partially because it's doing horribly recently, and partially because it's based on almost entirely coincidence.

                                                          But, let's talk about lies, Gabe. These are the last 18 UFC events; events in which an underdog won in the first two fights are marked as green, otherwise they are marked as red.

                                                          272 UFC Fight Night: Brown vs. Silva May 10, 2014 U.S. Bank Arena Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S. 6,143[27]
                                                          271 UFC 172: Jones vs. Teixeira Apr 26, 2014 Baltimore Arena Baltimore, Maryland, U.S. 13,485[28]
                                                          270 UFC on Fox: Werdum vs. Browne Apr 19, 2014 Amway Center Orlando, Florida, U.S. 17,000[29]
                                                          269 The Ultimate Fighter Nations Finale: Bisping vs. Kennedy Apr 16, 2014 Colisée Pepsi Quebec City, Quebec, Canada 5,029[30]
                                                          268 UFC Fight Night: Nogueira vs. Nelson Apr 11, 2014 du Arena Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates 7,963[31]
                                                          267 UFC Fight Night: Shogun vs. Henderson 2 Mar 23, 2014 Ginásio Nélio Dias Natal, Brazil 6,828[32]
                                                          266 UFC 171: Hendricks vs. Lawler Mar 15, 2014 American Airlines Center Dallas, Texas, U.S. 19,324[33]
                                                          265 UFC Fight Night: Gustafsson vs. Manuwa Mar 8, 2014 The O2 Arena London, U.K. 14,604[34]
                                                          264 The Ultimate Fighter China Finale: Kim vs. Hathaway Mar 1, 2014 CotaiArena Macau, China 6,000[35]
                                                          263 UFC 170: Rousey vs. McMann Feb 22, 2014 Mandalay Bay Events Center Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. 10,217[36]
                                                          262 UFC Fight Night: Machida vs. Mousasi Feb 15, 2014 Arena Jaraguá Jaraguá do Sul, Brazil 7,511[37]
                                                          261 UFC 169: Barao vs. Faber II Feb 1, 2014 Prudential Center Newark, New Jersey, U.S. 14,308[38]
                                                          260 UFC on Fox: Henderson vs. Thomson Jan 25, 2014 United Center Chicago, Illinois, U.S. 10,895[39]
                                                          259 UFC Fight Night: Rockhold vs. Philippou Jan 15, 2014 Arena at Gwinnett Center Duluth, Georgia, U.S. 5,822[40]
                                                          258 UFC Fight Night: Saffiedine vs. Lim Jan 4, 2014 Marina Bay Sands Marina Bay, Singapore 5,216[41]
                                                          257 UFC 168: Weidman vs. Silva 2 Dec 28, 2013 MGM Grand Garden Arena Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. 15,650[42]
                                                          256 UFC on Fox: Johnson vs. Benavidez 2 Dec 14, 2013 Sleep Train Arena Sacramento, California, U.S. 11,573[43]
                                                          255 UFC Fight Night: Hunt vs. Bigfoot Dec 7, 2013 Brisbane Entertainment Centre Brisbane, Australia 11,393[44]

                                                          I like how you lie just a little bit and say that only one event previous to those five did not feature a dog winning. Just like with your results recaps; always gotta squeeze out the extra unit, right? And then you call me a liar despite admitting that I'm telling the truth.

                                                          Also, you know how I picked a nice, round number like, say, five? And you picked a strange number like 18? That's because the 19th and 20th events both featured no dogs winning in the first two fights.

                                                          I wasn't even attacking you with my original comment, I only looked it up because I was curious to find out if it was true. Calm your vag.
                                                          258 and 259 are in different colors... Russel Doane cashed as an underdog against Leandro Issa on one card and Beneil Dariush cashed as an underdog in the other against Brenneman. Both cards had a dog winning and yet one card is in red, the other is in green.

                                                          Yet you're still not lying about anything, right?

                                                          How about this? How about pretending I don't exist and never talking to me?

                                                          You don't matter to me. Every time you respond, there is another lie. Just leave me alone, for the millionth time. Don't even respond to this. Be a man and don't respond. Don't respond to anything I say, ever.
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                                                          • MD
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 01-31-12
                                                            • 9728

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                            In before token comment.... "God u are so dumb...i was smokin weed and made a slight error, god you are all so desperate picking up on every error. So what that i said i went 19-4 when it was actually 8-13, easy mistake to make, god u are all so dumb"
                                                            You forgot "don't talk to me!"
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                                                            • rocky16
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 07-22-12
                                                              • 1905

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by gabe
                                                              258 and 259 are in different colors... Russel Doane cashed as an underdog against Leandro Issa on one card and Beneil Dariush cashed as an underdog in the other against Brenneman. Both cards had a dog winning and yet one card is in red, the other is in green.

                                                              Yet you're still not lying about anything, right?

                                                              How about this? How about pretending I don't exist and never talking to me?

                                                              You don't matter to me. Every time you respond, there is another lie. Just leave me alone, for the millionth time. Don't even respond to this. Be a man and don't respond. Don't respond to anything I say, ever.
                                                              Hey pal so are u saying he's a "man" if he doesn't respond to your bullshit? Why would that make him a man? Do you tell the hecklers at the comedy clubs you frequent to be "men" and don't heckle you when you ratlle off several bad jokes in succession? Are you sure you're not a phaget?
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                                                              • Ron_Paul_2012
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-31-13
                                                                • 3953

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by NunyaBidness
                                                                If you're approaching Bellator as a gambler rather than a fan you should be happy with the mishyped fights. There's a reason why UFC main events are more consistently mispriced than undercards.
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                                                                • PaperTrail07
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 08-29-08
                                                                  • 20423

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I totally agree they need to give out more 10-8 rounds....If a guy completely dominates a guy and gets a 10-9 its stupid...they get the same score as a man who slightly edged another guy and forced a judge to give one guy a 10 and the other a 9...It seems overall he takedown is getting less credit unless you do something with it but it still makes it hard to point the other guy... is seem like they are going the damage route and im ok w that really
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                                                                  • PaperTrail07
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 08-29-08
                                                                    • 20423

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I heard people saying the same thing...I agree to an extent....the battle continues...Rampage in no way won that 3rd round but OVERALL he did do more damage haha
                                                                    Originally posted by dww123
                                                                    I didn't even watch the chandler fight but i saw the press conference and it was a refreshing to see that the guy who looked beat to sh*t actually lost the fight. Will Brooks didn't have a mark on him. Chandler on the other hand....Same with Mo and Rampage. Personally i'm glad they werent giving points for TD's and doing absolutely nothing with them (speaking of the Rampage fight). I know I know, there's more to it than who looks worse, but whatever, it's a fight right? I vote No. 2!
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                                                                    • PaperTrail07
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 08-29-08
                                                                      • 20423

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Glad I re-read this Fit CHeers!
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