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  • MD
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-31-12
    • 9728

    #1
    Weidman +155
    Good chance of this getting better, but whatever.

    For some of my pre-fight analysis on the first fight, see this thread: http://forum.sbrforum.com/boxing-mma...er-fought.html

    I'll try not to reiterate much from that thread, but succinctly, I believe that Weidman should be a moderate favourite here, -250ish. What we're seeing here is a situation in which the public is overreacting to both hype and circumstance; Anderson's "aura", or whatever you want to call it, is a very real thing, and it's something which tends to cloud the perception of people. In the first round of their first fight, one of the judges gave it to Anderson 10-9, which is a nonsensical and ludicrous score. He was taken down, rocked with strikes, and caught in two deep submission attempts. During the stand-up portions of the round, he danced around and threw leg kicks while Weidman was landing on him pretty much at will. Weidman completely controlled the first round, but Anderson's show boating was enough to give the illusion that he was winning to some people. If the round had been reversed, completely reversed, and Anderson had been in Weidman's shoes, no one on the planet would have given Weidman R1, because the stark truth is that as much as people know that Anderson is human and a fighter like everyone else, when he chooses to "clown around", people think that he's in control, and winning.

    I asked someone earlier this week what the difference was between "clowning" against Weidman, and doing it against Okami or Forrest. The answer is that he did it against Okami and Forrest because he was in complete control, but the truth is that it was the opposite against Weidman; he was completely out of control for the entire fight. There was barely a moment in the fight when he was truly settled or able to manipulate the pace of the fight. I'm not going to go over why Anderson drops his hands like that, I'm sure most of you know by this point that it is a legitimate tactic and not an attempt on his part to be grandiose, but although Weidman did get flustered towards the end of the fight, and reached a bit, he was also far more prepared for this tactic than any of Anderson's previous opponents.

    The biggest question mark is Weidman's cardio, which we've honestly never gotten a good indication of, although he suggests that it's one of his biggest strengths. Outside of his cardio, I don't really see any worrisome areas for Chris. On the feet, he's lengthy and technical enough to give Anderson a lot of trouble if he's attempting to stop the takedown; if he's not attempting to stop the takedown, then they won't be on the feet for long.

    What people like to point to is that Anderson looked bad in their first fight, with whatever justification you want to use for that opinion. In retrospect, it should be clear to most of us that it was Weidman who looked terrible, clearly suffering a huge adrenaline dump, having been away from the sport for a year, undergoing two surgeries, and losing his home in Hurricane Sandy. Weidman is one of the most talented fighters in the sport, if not the most, and the difference between how he looks tonight and how he looked in their first fight should be incredible and pronounced. With his increased confidence, the opportunity to conduct a full training camp, his experience against Silva, and his lack of injuries, he should be the clear and easy favourite here; he's a much worse stylistic match up for Anderson than people think, even on the feet.

    Weidman +155 8u.
  • Rubber Guard
    SBR MVP
    • 06-22-11
    • 1550

    #2
    where do you expect the line to end up? Anderson -200?
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    • MD
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 01-31-12
      • 9728

      #3
      Originally posted by Rubber Guard
      where do you expect the line to end up? Anderson -200?
      Anderson -170ish.
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      • Beelzebubzy
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 06-06-11
        • 6995

        #4
        Where is +155?
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        • PunisherIND
          SBR MVP
          • 02-24-11
          • 4983

          #5
          Originally posted by MD
          There was barely a moment in the fight when he was truly settled or able to manipulate the pace of the fight.
          slightly disagree with this statement. i think weidman would have gone for more take down attempts if not for silva goading him to keep the fight standing. i would like to see more take down attempts this time.

          Originally posted by MD
          In retrospect, it should be clear to most of us that it was Weidman who looked terrible, clearly suffering a huge adrenaline dump, having been away from the sport for a year, undergoing two surgeries, and losing his home in Hurricane Sandy.
          also should add he didnt have matt serra in his corner.

          originally planned to sit this fight out, but i pulled the trigger on weidman at +150.
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          • PunisherIND
            SBR MVP
            • 02-24-11
            • 4983

            #6
            Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
            Where is +155?
            was at 5d
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            • rosietop
              SBR High Roller
              • 09-08-13
              • 200

              #7
              I think Weidman wins but I respect your confidence for a full 8 unit play thats for sure.
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              • LoveDaRush
                Restricted User
                • 12-28-13
                • 316

                #8
                And that is why I am betting my entire bankroll on it, even though it may not be much to some people.

                Free monies boys
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                • Beelzebubzy
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 06-06-11
                  • 6995

                  #9
                  I agree completely with the assessment MD. If I was completely confident in Weidmans ability to check leg kicks and to have 5 round cardio, I would have even more on him.
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                  • reigle9
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 10-25-07
                    • 17879

                    #10
                    Betting your entire br on anything is always a smart play.
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                    • Rubber Guard
                      SBR MVP
                      • 06-22-11
                      • 1550

                      #11
                      I have no clue what happens in this fight and have no real opinion on who wins or loses. Probably value on Weidman. But I think Silva can stay in more control standing than he did his last fight. He totally lost his head there for a while and having that experience can only help in a 2nd go around. Weidman's style certainly attributed to Anderson losing his head a bit, but still Silva can do better than that. He lost totally control of his movements.

                      I do agree that Weidman can do better in the sense that he can time/go for more TDs and perhaps land them this time. Or can keep top control without going for subs that aren't quite there when he does get a takedown. Longo and those guys are usually pretty straight forward in what they think will happen. I heard submission out of that camp. I think Weidman will look for the same thing in round 1 and not give up that game plan unless he really has too. I think he goes in looking for a TD again and looking to grind ANdwerson out for a while if he is successful with his TDs.
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                      • LoveDaRush
                        Restricted User
                        • 12-28-13
                        • 316

                        #12
                        Originally posted by reigle9
                        Betting your entire br on anything is always a smart play.
                        it is when it's a lock
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                        • reigle9
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 10-25-07
                          • 17879

                          #13
                          Ha ok. You're going to go broke no matter what happens tonight.
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                          • LoveDaRush
                            Restricted User
                            • 12-28-13
                            • 316

                            #14
                            Originally posted by reigle9
                            Ha ok. You're going to go broke no matter what happens tonight.
                            I wish the same to you but worst
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                            • Grabaka
                              SBR MVP
                              • 02-19-11
                              • 3216

                              #15
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                              • LoveDaRush
                                Restricted User
                                • 12-28-13
                                • 316

                                #16
                                Lmao at that gif

                                i want my money now!!!!!
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                                • PunisherIND
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 02-24-11
                                  • 4983

                                  #17
                                  +155 at 5d now
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                                  • LoveDaRush
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 12-28-13
                                    • 316

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                    +155 at 5d now
                                    cant make this chit up
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                                    • hougigo
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 06-01-12
                                      • 3665

                                      #19
                                      I'm on Weidman too.
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                                      • Sykes
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 06-23-12
                                        • 2714

                                        #20
                                        I must be the only one betting Silva tonight. I do like both Howard and Leben +3.5 points handicap 1.95 and 2.65. Surely Leben can steal a round from Hall.
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                                        • MD
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 01-31-12
                                          • 9728

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Sykes
                                          I must be the only one betting Silva tonight. I do like both Howard and Leben +3.5 points handicap 1.95 and 2.65. Surely Leben can steal a round from Hall.
                                          Lots of people betting Silva. Most of the sharps seem to be on Weidman, though, at least judging by who I've spoken to about it.
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                                          • hougigo
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 06-01-12
                                            • 3665

                                            #22
                                            What time the action start tonight?
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                                            • Jim_Gunn
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 11-20-13
                                              • 542

                                              #23
                                              7 pm EST on Facebook.
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                                              • hougigo
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 06-01-12
                                                • 3665

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                7 pm EST on Facebook.
                                                thanks for that
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                                                • Mercersux
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 05-03-12
                                                  • 1521

                                                  #25
                                                  Wish i could have nabbed Weidman@ +155. I locked him in at +140. Gl all weidman backers. I have alot riding on him and i really don't want to lose...fml
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                                                  • Mikail
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 07-19-09
                                                    • 21689

                                                    #26
                                                    Spider gonna give Weidman the ole brazilian beatdown.
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                                                    • Rustyglobes
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 11-24-08
                                                      • 549

                                                      #27
                                                      I think Silva will take this figth personally tonight and cut out the show boating
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                                                      • SEKTAUR
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 09-04-11
                                                        • 802

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by MD
                                                        Lots of people betting Silva. Most of the sharps seem to be on Weidman, though, at least judging by who I've spoken to about it.
                                                        oh lord.
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                                                        • MD
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 01-31-12
                                                          • 9728

                                                          #29
                                                          Yup. No doubt about that.

                                                          Complete domination from bell to bell, and -250 was probably more than justified for Weidman.
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                                                          • raag
                                                            SBR Hustler
                                                            • 05-18-13
                                                            • 81

                                                            #30
                                                            Thanks MD! I lost on Barnett, Siyar, Voelker and a couple other small plays but made it all back and then some on Weidman. Woooo!!!
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                                                            • Mercersux
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 05-03-12
                                                              • 1521

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by MD
                                                              Yup. No doubt about that.

                                                              Complete domination from bell to bell, and -250 was probably more than justified for Weidman.
                                                              Hit for $1400 on Weidman MD. I made the bet a couple weeks ago but just wanted to say, from one Weidman backer to another
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                                                              • Catchn_Picks
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 09-02-11
                                                                • 2984

                                                                #32
                                                                Wish I had listened MD…great post and win again.
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                                                                • JuicedUp
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 01-20-10
                                                                  • 3396

                                                                  #33
                                                                  nice call pal. weidman was dominant. injury sucked but weidman was the better fighter.
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                                                                  • Sykes
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 06-23-12
                                                                    • 2714

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Crazy way the fight ended, never seen something like that live before. Juicy. Nice bet dude hade Silva KO/R1 dude breaks his leg off.
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                                                                    • latarianmilton
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 12-23-13
                                                                      • 342

                                                                      #35
                                                                      that was such an easy pick, its gonna be a while before we get another one like this.
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