UFC 165: Jones vs. Gustafsson (September 21, 2013)

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How come? but theres a few faggos around.
We always talking facts...

I dont get it, and the post that was interacted was me giving out a free winner, before the fight happened with a screenshot proving I bet it.

Sbr is just sad nowadays

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It is an improbable possibility that SBR now sucks because of all these new posters with 2013 join dates - Aristotle

[MD]

I just wonder why the line isnt closer like Silva Weidman. People are all saying the same thing. Weidman is not "impressive" Silva is just "special". Same thing here Jones is "p4p" Gus doesn't look "impressive" at all. I guess it's because someone like GSP isn't picking Gus. But Phil Davis has said that Gus's wrestling is really good now with Gus taking him down in practice. I think the camp Gus comes from is even more impressive than Serra Longo's. Gus is younger with more time in the sport than Wiedman. Only difference I see here is Jones has better wrestling than Silva but Silva has a way better guard than Jones.

Gus taking Jones down nears <1% probability, so I doubt his guard matters. The difference between Jones' striking and Gustafsson's striking is significantly bigger than the difference between Silva's striking and Weidman's striking, though. Weidman is a much better striker than Gustafsson in most areas, and Silva is only slightly better than Jones in an MMA context, if at all.

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Gus taking Jones down nears <1% probability, so I doubt his guard matters. The difference between Jones' striking and Gustafsson's striking is significantly bigger than the difference between Silva's striking and Weidman's striking, though. Weidman is a much better striker than Gustafsson in most areas, and Silva is only slightly better than Jones in an MMA context, if at all.

No, just no

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It is an improbable possibility that SBR now sucks because of all these new posters with 2013 join dates - Aristotle

look at all the shit posts, then look at the join date

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And MD you already said you're betting Gus. Just like you love taking credit for picking Wiedman but spent 4 pages talking up Silva in the play by play thread.

[MD]

And MD you already said you're betting Gus. Just like you love taking credit for picking Wiedman but spent 4 pages talking up Silva in the play by play thread.

I said I'll probably bet Gus by KO, as long as the price is roughly what I think it'll be. I also didn't talk up Silva, I just argued with the absolutely retarded points that people were using to discredit him. I don't argue in favour of or against a fighter based on whether I've bet on them or not, that's silly.

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I said I'll probably bet Gus by KO, as long as the price is roughly what I think it'll be. I also didn't talk up Silva, I just argued with the absolutely retarded points that people were using to discredit him. I don't argue in favour of or against a fighter based on whether I've bet on them or not, that's silly.

You love to argue though, Gus is an amateur boxing champion. Are you saying that euro boxing sucks so bad an american wrestler is better than a euro boxing champ?

[MD]

You love to argue though, Gus is an amateur boxing champion. Are you saying that euro boxing sucks so bad an american wrestler is better than a euro boxing champ?

That is, again, silly. Pedigree != MMA success. If that has any kind of validity, then how can you argue that Gus can stop Jones' takedowns?

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That is, again, silly. Pedigree != MMA success. If that has any kind of validity, then how can you argue that Gus can stop Jones' takedowns?

Pedigree matters in mma. Why do you think any team usa member is -600 with an 1-0 record?

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http://espn.go.com/blog/mma/post/_/id/19108/2008-olympic-wrestlers-still-perfect-in-mma

Of the six members of the 2008 US freestyle team, four went on to fight in MMA, and to date, not a single one has lost ever, compiling a perfect record of 29-0.

[MD]

Pedigree matters in mma. Why do you think any team usa member is -600 with an 1-0 record?

Because they're fighting cans. If pedigree is correlated with how good someone is in MMA, then this conversation isn't important, because Gus will be on his back in an instant.

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Because they're fighting cans. If pedigree is correlated with how good someone is in MMA, then this conversation isn't important, because Gus will be on his back in an instant.

I never argued that. I said he would be taken down. But would get back up and be a KO threat late in the fight do to Gus having superior cardio and pace.

[MD]

I never argued that. I said he would be taken down. But would get back up and be a KO threat late in the fight do to Gus having superior cardio and pace.

How will he get back up? He doesn't have as good a wrestling pedigree as Jones.

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How will he get back up? He doesn't have as good a wrestling pedigree as Jones.

you're being serious

[MD]

you're being serious

Is that a question?

Anyway, Jones will probably outstrike Gus. Probably pretty easily, too. I hope not, since none of the bets I'll have on that fight will involve Jones wrecking Gus at range, but there's a big skill discrepancy between the two.

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Is that a question?

Anyway, Jones will probably outstrike Gus. Probably pretty easily, too. I hope not, since none of the bets I'll have on that fight will involve Jones wrecking Gus at range, but there's a big skill discrepancy between the two.

Must think low of Gus's footwork, speed and accuracy to favor Jones plodding forward front leg heavy throwing push attacks to the knees.

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I said I'll probably bet Gus by KO, as long as the price is roughly what I think it'll be. I also didn't talk up Silva, I just argued with the absolutely retarded points that people were using to discredit him. I don't argue in favour of or against a fighter based on whether I've bet on them or not, that's silly.

It's full retard that Silva is the favorite again in the rematch and something i intend to exploit to the fullest, because i am 99,9% certain that what Silva said after the first fight was 100% from the heart and that is still how he feels about things.

Weidman will drag him down to the ground and drown him there in the rematch superior positioning chest to chest, and work GNP and put him away in the later frames.

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Jones will get scolded beyond belief if he tries a standup approach with Gustafsson, and i'll bet everything that they havent formulated a gameplan that revolves around him in any way standing and trading with Gustafsson. When he was playing 'tag your it' with Machida he got yelled at in between rounds for playing into that game. Gameplan here will be takedowns,takedowns,takedowns,takedowns and try and keep Gustafsson away at all costs.

[MD]

Must think low of Gus's footwork, speed and accuracy to favor Jones plodding forward front leg heavy throwing push attacks to the knees.

Nope, I just think that Gus will eat shots at range, and his usual style will be pretty ineffective. His best chance is to be as aggressive as humanly possible with no regard for his own safety, and stopping takedowns at all costs.

I'll give you Gus +500 for up to 600 SBR points if you're interested.

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someone is now reporting me for the use of the word "faggo" Shit is a joke. SBR sucks because of all these new posters with 2013 join dates.

Sorry

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Nope, I just think that Gus will eat shots at range, and his usual style will be pretty ineffective. His best chance is to be as aggressive as humanly possible with no regard for his own safety, and stopping takedowns at all costs.

I'll give you Gus +500 for up to 600 SBR points if you're interested.

already got him at a better price

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How will he get back up? He doesn't have as good a wrestling pedigree as Jones.

Jones has a better wrestling pedigree as well as better MMA wrestling. Aside from being a juco champ Jones was also a decent Greco roman wrestler. If that's not enough hes already beaten Hamill, Vlady Matyushenko, Vera, Bader, Rashad and Chael. Most of those guys were outwrestled by Jones and all of them are decent wrestlers. I really don't see how you can compare Gustaffsons wrestling to jones. His best bet is to use footwork to completely avoid wrestling with jones at all.

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Jones has a better wrestling pedigree as well as better MMA wrestling. Aside from being a juco champ Jones was also a decent Greco roman wrestler. If that's not enough hes already beaten Hamill, Vlady Matyushenko, Vera, Bader, Rashad and Chael. Most of those guys were outwrestled by Jones and all of them are decent wrestlers. I really don't see how you can compare Gustaffsons wrestling to jones. His best bet is to use footwork to completely avoid wrestling with jones at all.

yeah he out wrestled evans real bad, lol at half of those guys being retired or left the ufc once already. Cheal is a middleweight but people point to that fight like Jones really did something awe inspiring.

[MD]

already got him at a better price

SBR book has better than +500?

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SBR book has better than +500?

meng, i dont even know, I will be banned shortly got infractions out the ass

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Well he stuffed Rashads wrestling. I think he was more interested in outstriking him in that fight. He did outwrestle Hamill, Matyushenko, Vera, Bader and Chael though. Chael just submitted Shogun by the way. You act like Chael is a can or something. I know he is a middleweight but it's not unimpressive to go out there and dominate him in the wrestling department. I guess you already placed your bet but IMO I would suggest taking Gustaffson with points. Gustaffson is unlikely to stop Jones. Take into consideration your argument that Jones will gas. What are you predicting will take place in this fight to make him gas? Gustaffson trying to use a lot of movement to win an outside striking contest? How is that going to make Jones gas? If anything Gustaffson will be the one tiring more from that because he is the one that is going to have to really get on his bike and move around the octagon. Jones has a superior reach so he should be able to hit him a lot easier. I think Gustaffson can win some rounds or at least make some of them look reasonably close so I don't think he is a bad bet with points. I think him Gustaffson by ko could happen but I would be really surprised to see it. If anything I would take Gustaffson by KO of the night because if it happens you know he is getting it. I do think the payout will be roughly the same as Gus by KO though so it might not be worth it.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

someone is now reporting me for the use of the word "faggo" Shit is a joke. SBR sucks because of all these new posters with 2013 join dates.

Well I just gave ya 2 points in this post for your Conor McGregar Documentary post which I believe was in another thread. But isn't faggo a soda pop? What's the world coming to? Cheer up.

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Well he stuffed Rashads wrestling. I think he was more interested in outstriking him in that fight. He did outwrestle Hamill, Matyushenko, Vera, Bader and Chael though. Chael just submitted Shogun by the way. You act like Chael is a can or something. I know he is a middleweight but it's not unimpressive to go out there and dominate him in the wrestling department. I guess you already placed your bet but IMO I would suggest taking Gustaffson with points. Gustaffson is unlikely to stop Jones. Take into consideration your argument that Jones will gas. What are you predicting will take place in this fight to make him gas? Gustaffson trying to use a lot of movement to win an outside striking contest? How is that going to make Jones gas? If anything Gustaffson will be the one tiring more from that because he is the one that is going to have to really get on his bike and move around the octagon. Jones has a superior reach so he should be able to hit him a lot easier. I think Gustaffson can win some rounds or at least make some of them look reasonably close so I don't think he is a bad bet with points. I think him Gustaffson by ko could happen but I would be really surprised to see it. If anything I would take Gustaffson by KO of the night because if it happens you know he is getting it. I do think the payout will be roughly the same as Gus by KO though so it might not be worth it.

Cheal is a Can at Light Heavyweight. I swear to god you believe everything zuffa tells you.

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Well I just gave ya 2 points in this post for your Conor McGregar Documentary post which I believe was in another thread. But isn't faggo a soda pop? What's the world coming to? Cheer up.

yes it is

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Cheal is a Can at Light Heavyweight. I swear to god you believe everything zuffa tells you.

Oh please. He just beat a top 10-15 guy in the first round. Not too shabby.

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Oh please. He just beat a top 10-15 guy in the first round. Not too shabby.

1 win in 10 years? Los to Travor Prangley, Forrest Griffin and Renato Sobral at lhw and had a draw with Akihiro Gono

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someone is now reporting me for the use of the word "faggo" Shit is a joke. SBR sucks because of all these new posters with 2013 join dates.

[MD]

Shogun took Gus down. Chael took Shogun down. Jones took Chael down. COINCIDENCE? Jones by dryhump.

[Vaughany]

meng, i dont even know, I will be banned shortly got infractions out the ass

[Educ8d Degener8]

Shogun took Gus down. Chael took Shogun down. Jones took Chael down. COINCIDENCE? Jones by dryhump.

Hamill beat Jones. Gustafsson beat Hamill....

MMAmath is fun stuff.