UFC 165: Jones vs. Gustafsson (September 21, 2013)

**sideloaded** · 09-11-13, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by grabaka

yeah boiiii jon bones no-cojones.....plzzzzz god make it happen!!!!!

im smokin' crack breah!!! Viva la montera@@@

**sideloaded** · 09-11-13, 11:31 PM

Much has been said before (in Swedish eyes) the historic bout between Alexander Gustafsson and champion Jon Jones on September 21. Usually, fighters are not so very keen to be in present to their opponent before the actually fight day. But both Gustafsson and Jones has repeatedly been forced to just that due to the work of promoting interest in the fight. Despite the time together, the relationship between the two light heavyweights still been friendly and respectful.

"A little bratty kid in a grown-up body"
But now, with less than two weeks away, Gustafsson reveals for Kimura.se his true thoughts about the 26 -year-old Jon Jones. The Swede verbally swinging hard against his next opponent.
- He's a little brat in an adult's body. A very immature boy in a grown man's body. Thats Jones.

Explain what you mean, you've so far been very respectful to each other...
- It is not always that a person is himself in front of the cameras, and there you have Jones. If you're with him for a week, as I was at UFC World Press Tour...
His way to behave. He is a real bully, "Alex" says to Kimura.se and continues:

- It's like you give a kid everything. And you don't speak up, you just say yes, yes, to everything the kid asks for. Eventually the kid sees no limits and goes out of control.
No, his behavior... I'm not a big fan of it, if I say so.

Are there any concrete examples?
- He throws out stupid comments. We were suppose to do an interview together in England. Me and Andres (Michael) had to sit and wait for Jones because he was delayed. When he comes in 45 minutes late, he don't even apologize. Neither to me or those who would do the interview.

- I am professional and have great respect for Jones as a fighter. There are not many who can do what he has done and he deserves all the respect. But as a person, as a role model, I'm really not a fan, Alex says

Are you affected by this?
- No. I try not to have feelings when I fight. Whether it's good or bad. You should never fight with emotions, then you lose focus. And then you lose.

How do you think the fight will turn out?
- I will win. There's nothing else for me. I will not go and fight against Jones with the attitude of just "make this a good fight." I will win it's that simple, says "The Mauler".

Harsh words to say atleast. Espacially as the Swede Alex never directly made himself known to "trash talk" earlier in his career. Whether this is the start of a war of words in the final stages of preparation remains to be seen. But it certinaly turns up the excitement for the title fight at UFC 165 in Toronto on September 21.

**Vaughany** · 09-12-13, 11:30 AM

MD · 09-13-13, 01:12 PM

Maxed Gustafsson by KO +1025. Also like the UD line.

**Beelzebubzy** · 09-13-13, 03:47 PM

Nice grab MD. I like the KO prop as well.
Also played starts round 2 -290

**sideloaded** · 09-13-13, 03:53 PM

what a NORDIC GOD. bow down to the master race

**Dillonious Monk** · 09-13-13, 06:30 PM

One saying that is cliche but I really like..."Speed kills", it's the main reason I think Healy will pretty much be a cakewalk for Khabib.

His timing is good, too. Jim also was winning that fight vs Pat until he gassed and I think Pat was saved by the bell in the 1st when Jim was on top of him landing heavy GNP.

Look at Thiago Tavares...probably has better technique standing up...but it didn't matter because Khabib anticipated what Tavares was doing well and used his great speed to jump in and land a huge left hook. It might not have been the most technical left hook and he might have left his guard down...but, it didn't matter because it was set up very well and it was very quick. Then when you factor in how slow Healy is on the feet and that Khabib hasn't shown to have cardio problems, yet (and he's been in a couple of 3 round fights), I honestly don't see how Pat wins this fight. He couldn't outgrapple Hirota-that fight was at the most a stalemate for Healy in the grappling department, and well, Jim Miller just gassed pretty bad nowadays. I see Khabib winning by early tko or lopsided decision.

**mirinquads** · 09-13-13, 07:07 PM

Tavares is a notorious quitter and front runner. Healy is a tough son of a bitch. Big difference.

**sideloaded** · 09-16-13, 08:19 PM

did you see my boy Ishii? What a JAP CAN!

**beermankirk** · 09-16-13, 09:41 PM

Normally undercards are out by Monday? Guess we wait til Tuesday...

**sideloaded** · 09-16-13, 09:45 PM

Has anyone thought about a system fading Adam Martin? He might be the worst capper of all time.

**Das Jax** · 09-16-13, 11:58 PM

I think ITD for Jones/Gustaf is looking juicy at -300... I really don't think this is going to the cards. Anyone want to disagree?

**raag** · 09-17-13, 12:46 AM

I don't think -300 is great value for it not going the distance. Gustaffson's most likely way to win is by KO and Jones will have a hard time putting Gustaffson away. Alex has a granite chin and seemingly pretty tough skin to cut. Jones is very unlikely to hurt him on the feet and I think Gustaffson will be harder to get down than most of his previous opponents. While I still think Gustaffson will get beat up on his back from Jones - and a sub is possible - I think it's less likely to see Jones landing GnP the same way he did vs. Chael/Shogun against Alex.

**sideloaded** · 09-17-13, 01:07 AM

The VIKING WANTS HIS SNUFF. DO NOT ANGER THE NORD!

**sideloaded** · 09-17-13, 01:14 AM

Gustafsson is in a Win Win situation. Win he is champion. Lose he is escorted to Valhalla by Valkyries.

**Das Jax** · 09-17-13, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by raag

I don't think -300 is great value for it not going the distance. Gustaffson's most likely way to win is by KO and Jones will have a hard time putting Gustaffson away. Alex has a granite chin and seemingly pretty tough skin to cut. Jones is very unlikely to hurt him on the feet and I think Gustaffson will be harder to get down than most of his previous opponents. While I still think Gustaffson will get beat up on his back from Jones - and a sub is possible - I think it's less likely to see Jones landing GnP the same way he did vs. Chael/Shogun against Alex.

Thanks for the input. I keep waffling back and forth on it myself. As impressive as I find Gustaffson, at the end of the day I really don't think he's much of a threat to Jones and I definitely agree with you that he'll find himself on his back receiving some good ol' fashioned ground and pound. His chin is unbeaten thus far, but if it comes down to a contest between his chin/skull and Jones' elbows... I can't help but favor the elbows. If this were a three round fight I'd say it goes the distance, but a five rounder? My gut tells me this fight doesn't go 25 minutes.

**The iron sheik** · 09-17-13, 02:37 AM

took starts round 2 at -290 and the u2,5

gustafsson sucks, it's going to be derailed train after this weekend

**Das Jax** · 09-17-13, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by The iron sheik

took starts round 2 at -290 and the u2,5

gustafsson sucks, it's going to be derailed train after this weekend

With a prediction that specific... wouldn't it be better to take "fight ends round 2" at plus odds?

**The iron sheik** · 09-17-13, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by Das Jax

With a prediction that specific... wouldn't it be better to take "fight ends round 2" at plus odds?

it's not very specific if I base it on "gustafsson sucks"

Kidding aside though, the two I posted overlap and one of them is guaranteed to hit

**Vaughany** · 09-17-13, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Has anyone thought about a system fading Adam Martin? He might be the worst capper of all time.

ha I have considered it

**raag** · 09-17-13, 04:03 AM

Yeah I don't think the fight has high likelihood of going 25min but I really like the 'starts round 2' at -290 and the starts round 3 prop as well. The o2.5 was like +125 previously which was sick.

**ReBEL`LiON** · 09-17-13, 05:20 AM

Does anyone think Khabib could possibly make 145? Seemed undersized in 2 of his fights in the UFC. And for a grappling based fighter it could be beneficial. But that's just speculation on my part.

Of healy's recent LW Renaissance, he's fought 4 current FWs in Blanco, Wisely, Hirota and Holobaugh. A couple of them gave him trouble. Jim Miller is a small LW himself who could benefit from a cut but I hear he doesn't like it.

Anyways, the odds warrant a play on Healy, but barring an injury Khabib should dominate this fight. A much more technical striker could beat Khabib's wild style and Healy aint that.

MD · 09-17-13, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Has anyone thought about a system fading Adam Martin? He might be the worst capper of all time.

And he's one of the two candidates for worst media judge. Actually thought Edgar beat Aldo, LOL.

**The iron sheik** · 09-17-13, 09:09 AM

Perhaps someone should compile statistics from mmaoddsbreaker as they have columnists that raise the autofade bar to new heights. Now this isn't a dig at you luca, settle down and take your medication.

I think it could be combined with some other data from that site. The ultimate fade system:

THE MARTINGABE SYSTEM

**Vaughany** · 09-17-13, 09:11 AM

lol

**Beelzebubzy** · 09-17-13, 09:45 AM

You guys do math wrong.
Im chasing fools gold.

Bubzy takes a bow after that line

MD · 09-17-13, 10:08 AM

Gabe claims to be 18-3 in MMAOB predictions since joining, even though both myself and Luca have pointed out that he had four bets on Hernandez, all of which lost. And four FotN bets.

**sideloaded** · 09-17-13, 10:08 AM

pretty much how everyone in the world caps UFC fytes BRAH!

http://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1mj8k8/i_just_rewatched_the_alexander_gustafsson_vs_phil/

Man this guy is good

I just re-watched the Alexander Gustafsson vs. Phil Davis fight. (self.MMA)
submitted 7 hours ago by baz_rampant
It kind of reaffirmed my thinking that this isn't going to end well for Gustafsson

http://mma-net.com/phil-davis-vs-alexander-gustafsson/

MD · 09-17-13, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

pretty much how everyone in the world caps UFC fytes BRAH!

http://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/1mj8k8/i_just_rewatched_the_alexander_gustafsson_vs_phil/

Man this guy is good

I just re-watched the Alexander Gustafsson vs. Phil Davis fight. (self.MMA)
submitted 7 hours ago by baz_rampant
It kind of reaffirmed my thinking that this isn't going to end well for Gustafsson

http://mma-net.com/phil-davis-vs-alexander-gustafsson/

Similarly valid counter-argument: Gustafsson knocked out Matt Hamill, and we all saw how disgusting Jones vs Hamill was. All I remember was a flurry of elbows, blood everywhere, and Jones had lost the fight. I'm surprised he ever recovered from that.

**sideloaded** · 09-17-13, 11:46 AM

Jones is going to beat the klitschkos! What CANT this young hungry phenomenon do?

Jones is beyond delusional and looking WAY past Gustafsson. He will be beat saturday.

**Vaughany** · 09-17-13, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Jones is going to beat the klitschkos! What CANT this young hungry phenomenon do?

Jones is beyond delusional and looking WAY past Gustafsson. He will be beat saturday.

Avoid utility poles.

**Sato** · 09-17-13, 12:44 PM

Hey Sider...remember Sak? Remember that shit? THat feel when I remember Sakuraba TODAY! His Wand fights, when he fought CC, when he decided to fight a juiced to the grill Randleman,...oh god...where is he now? I miss him!

**sideloaded** · 09-17-13, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Avoid utility poles.

say no to women not of legal age

**sideloaded** · 09-17-13, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Sato

Hey Sider...remember Sak? Remember that shit? THat feel when I remember Sakuraba TODAY! His Wand fights, when he fought CC, when he decided to fight a juiced to the grill Randleman,...oh god...where is he now? I miss him!

His gym closed down. mma is dead in japan. He wrestles in NJPW

**sideloaded** · 09-17-13, 01:00 PM

only a matter of time before the entire sport is dead. UFC doing worse ppv numbers than 2006. No lie. Then we can all move on to the arena football forum.