Jetwin

[mana21]

Decided to try them out very small. Won a bit and asked for literally a couple hundo in BTC. 12 hours and 3 emails to the support address on the web page, and no response or reply whatsoever. The system just says my payout has been 'Submitted for Approval'...for 12 penetrating hours.

Absolute ZERO Customer Service. If I was a big better, I'd be very cautious. They could handcuff your funds and you'd be up the creek.

[littlekona]

Decided to try them out very small. Won a bit and asked for literally a couple hundo in BTC. 12 hours and 3 emails to the support address on the web page, and no response or reply whatsoever. The system just says my payout has been 'Submitted for Approval'...for 12 penetrating hours.

Absolute ZERO Customer Service. If I was a big better, I'd be very cautious. They could handcuff your funds and you'd be up the creek.

12 hours seems long but not out of norm of many books..Please keep us updated....that said any book who has been on and off line the last years is no C+ book no matter what markets or perks they may offer...caution urged

[mana21]

Received funds after 18 hours. They did send an email in the middle of the night stating this...

Thank you for contacting us. Every new account is going through
additional security checks before first withdrawal is being approved.
This is why it took longer than usual to process your request.
Thank you for your patience and understanding.

Which is weird because I did have a prior withdrawal. Unless they are considering everyone new customers after coming back on-line?

[Sorah]

Lol u are cracking me up...low league volley ball and live at that...i saw guy in chat at fairlay once sharing his big win on Russian woman badminton asking for admin to hurry and grade too...lol...if u have a lock please share

in volleyball there is no draw, there is only 2 possible outcome, so it's really better than soccer for example.
and I'm looking for live betting because the odds movement is so fast, and in live betting is lots of value.
and there is not lots of volleyball match, so I want lower level leagues too(not only low level leagues).
of course there are not too many people who know volleyball really good, and that's why I can find value in this sport.

[littlekona]

in volleyball there is no draw, there is only 2 possible outcome, so it's really better than soccer for example.
and I'm looking for live betting because the odds movement is so fast, and in live betting is lots of value.
and there is not lots of volleyball match, so I want lower level leagues too(not only low level leagues).
of course there are not too many people who know volleyball really good, and that's why I can find value in this sport.

hey if its +EV for u thats great ....I have no idea about volleyball...check out fairlay they have many offerings sometimes....here is what i see right now

https://fairlay.com/markets/sports/volleyball/

[Sorah]

hey if its +EV for u thats great ....I have no idea about volleyball...check out fairlay they have many offerings sometimes....here is what i see right now

https://fairlay.com/markets/sports/volleyball/

fairlay markets is similar to pinnacle, this is my results in pyckio (pinnacle odds and prematch) for about a month:

https://pyckio.com/i/#!account/sorah

but they don't cover too many leagues that I know really good.

[littlekona]

fairlay markets is similar to pinnacle, this is my results in pyckio (pinnacle odds and prematch) for about a month:

https://pyckio.com/i/#!account/sorah

but they don't cover too many leagues that I know really good.

wow very cool SORAH! thats very nice!

[littlekona]

So I see this place has a new complaint....again I ask sbr how can this book be graded a C+ when they have been off line for many months and plenty of past complaints? Btc books list need a cleaning up and Fairlay should be addd as they are easily the number 2 btc wagering outlet right begins nitro esp for USA

[raiders72001]

A lot of threads get diverted into discussion of Fairlay. That being the case, there are plenty of complaints against Fairlay too and Fairlay is a small book by their own admission.

There are misgrades, late grading, delayed withdrawals, a bug from two years ago which Fairlay stated yesterday "It is from a misgrade and there is nothing we can do about it................"

There are complaints against all books. If a book has a big customer base, there will be complaints. Problems are posted while praise is less likely to be pointed out.

[raiders72001]

Jetwin's biggest problem right now is their pregame margins. They can be high in a lot of sports but have stated that they plan to tighten margins soon. They are fine in the NBA at -108. Last year they were -105 NFL but things have changed a couple of times.

Jetwin's live betting is nice with 2-way, 3-way, alt sides, alt totals. They have many markets pregame and live.

[littlekona]

Jetwin has been off line has had many complaints against and just comes back to more complaints and has a C+ rating same as Betcoin and cloudbook for example....the book should have a lower rating or even no rating at all...Betcoin cloudbet fairlay nitro all rate way better option....I’m just confused a bit here on how sbr can grade them Same as reliable books

[raiders72001]

Jetwin has been off line has had many complaints against and just comes back to more complaints and has a C+ rating same as Betcoin and cloudbook for example....the book should have a lower rating or even no rating at all...Betcoin cloudbet fairlay nitro all rate way better option....

They all may be better. It really depends on what a player is looking for in an individual book. It's just unfair to keep calling for every book to get a downgrade, except Fairlay, with each complaint when Fairlay has as many complaints.

[littlekona]

They all may be better. It really depends on what a player is looking for in an individual book. It's just unfair to keep calling for every book to get a downgrade, except Fairlay, with each complaint when Fairlay has as many complaints.

I don’t see any serious complaints or disputes filed with sbr on Fairlay...plus they have not been off and online for months at a time like jetwin....this post is about jetwin so please stay focused here raiders....what books have I called for downgrade besides this very sketchy place jetwin? .....look at my posts I defend and promote pleanty books....i try to always be fair and balanced

[raiders72001]

I don’t see any serious complaints or disputes filed with sbr on Fairlay...plus they have not been off and online for months at a time like jetwin....this post is about jetwin so please stay focused here raiders....what books have I called for downgrade besides this very sketchy place jetwin? .....look at my posts I defend and promote pleanty books

You go Fairlay with most of your posts as well as threads started. I trust being paid by Jetwin more than a place run by a couple of tech guys more interested in bitcoin core debates than book making.

Fairlay isn't peer to peer for the most part as there are a couple market makers. I'm more afraid of market makers stiffing Fairlay and passing that along to players than getting stiffed from Jetwin.

[littlekona]

You go Fairlay with most of your posts as well as threads started. I trust being paid by Jetwin more than a place run by a couple of tech guys more interested in bitcoin core debates than book making.

Fairlay isn't peer to peer for the most part as there are a couple market makers. I'm more afraid of market makers stiffing Fairlay and passing that along to players than getting stiffed from Jetwin.

Raiders you are funny lol I try to give my best info on books I have experience with Fairlay is good place along with like 6 other places I play at look at my posts....But back to my point if book A has been on and offline and just recently came back and already has complaints it should not be rated the same as book B and C which have not had those issues...sbr grading is off imo seems logical right

[raiders72001]

Raiders you are funny lol I try to give my best info on books I have experience with Fairlay is good place along with like 6 other places I play at look at my posts....But back to my point if book A has been on and offline and just recently came back and already has complaints it should not be rated the same as book B and C which have not had those issues...sbr grading is off imo seems logical right

Your first post on Fairlay is that they were a top book and that was after playing with them for 4 days.

If a book goes off line without stiffing anyone, there shouldn't be a worry. If we are talking ratings, Nitro is the biggest of the bitcoin books followed by Betcoin and Cloudbet. They dwarf Fairlay in customer base and employees. I'm not sure how Fairlay can be in the discussion at this point.

[littlekona]

Your first post on Fairlay is that they were a top book and that was after playing with them for 4 days.

If a book goes off line without stiffing anyone, there shouldn't be a worry. If we are talking ratings, Nitro is the biggest of the bitcoin books followed by Betcoin and Cloudbet. They dwarf Fairlay in customer base and employees. I'm not sure how Fairlay can be in the discussion at this point.

Raiders you can play at your -108 on and off line bad customer service jetwin...these are all documented facts....I’ll use Fairlay as one of my books and use for best prices around decent customer service and payouts that I know I will get if not instant within few hours...sure problems happen at times at all books but when a book is on and off line and now just back like jetwin they sure are no C+ book....btw post there cold wallet address let’s see there btc stash like Fairlay does..

anyone using jetwin please chime in with any updates or comments

[raiders72001]

Raiders you can play at your -108 on and off line bad customer service jetwin...these are all documented facts....I’ll use Fairlay as one of my books and use for best prices around decent customer service and payouts that I know I will get if not instant within few hours...sure problems happen at times at all books but when a book is on and off line and now just back like jetwin they sure are no C+ book....btw post there cold wallet address let’s see there btc stash like Fairlay does..

anyone using jetwin please chime in with any updates or comments

There are a lot more complaints on Fairlay than Jetwin if you include complaints outside of SBR. Some of the problems you posted on Jetwin go back to 2015 while Fairlay has recent complaints.

[littlekona]

There are a lot more complaints on Fairlay than Jetwin if you include complaints outside of SBR. Some of the problems you posted on Jetwin go back to 2015 while Fairlay has recent complaints.

Why would we include any complaints outside of sbr? Sbr is the premiere review place and that’s where we are now....I just did quick search per your suggestion and found more and some horrible reviews on jetwin from other review sites while same sites have fairlay rated very good....I can post some but sure sbr would not like...

[raiders72001]

Why would we include any complaints outside of sbr? Sbr is the premiere review place and that’s where we are now....I just did quick search per your suggestion and found more and some horrible reviews on jetwin from other review sites while same sites have fairlay rated very good....I can post some but sure sbr would not like...

The complaint against Jetwin is for $100 ungraded wager. betg was stiffed 1.2 BTC, over $10k by Fairlay.

[littlekona]

The complaint against Jetwin is for $100 ungraded wager. betg was stiffed 1.2 BTC, over $10k by Fairlay.

Plus all the bitcoin cash they paid out to all the “players” too so I’d say 1.6 btc or so.....

[raiders72001]

Why would we include any complaints outside of sbr? Sbr is the premiere review place and that’s where we are now....I just did quick search per your suggestion and found more and some horrible reviews on jetwin from other review sites while same sites have fairlay rated very good....I can post some but sure sbr would not like...

From my quick search, Fairlay is rarely ranked in ratings guides and if they are listed, they aren't on the top.

[littlekona]

Yes but ahead of jetwin in ones i saw..
Forget fairlay here....my initial point is that jetwin at C+ should not be same grade as cloudbet or betcoin which are both more reliable....yes or no ?

[raiders72001]

Yes but ahead of jetwin in ones i saw..
Forget fairlay here....my initial point is that jetwin at C+ should not be same grade as cloudbet or betcoin which are both more reliable....yes or no ?

We seem to agree pretty much on books bitcoin or fiat. It seems that Fairlay and Jetwin are the two we are farthest apart on.

[Texans365]

They have good LIVE coverage, including lower soccer/basketball leagues and such sports as water polo, table tennis, curling, esports etc. Grading is almost instant for LIVE bets. Never had any problems with payouts (0,3-1,5 BTC range)

[Optional]

They have good LIVE coverage, including lower soccer/basketball leagues and such sports as water polo, table tennis, curling, esports etc. Grading is almost instant for LIVE bets. Never had any problems with payouts (0,3-1,5 BTC range)

Thanks for that feedback Texans

Fingers crossed they get their new platform bedded in quickly.

[littlekona]

They have good LIVE coverage, including lower soccer/basketball leagues and such sports as water polo, table tennis, curling, esports etc. Grading is almost instant for LIVE bets. Never had any problems with payouts (0,3-1,5 BTC range)

Good reporting ty

[littlekona]

We seem to agree pretty much on books bitcoin or fiat. It seems that Fairlay and Jetwin are the two we are farthest apart on.

So i say u try fairlay and i will try jetwin and report back...

[raiders72001]

So i say u try fairlay and i will try jetwin and report back...

I try to play at every bitcoin book that I come across including Fairlay. I'm not going to try Fairlay again after the stiff job. Sweat the game, not the payout.

[littlekona]

I try to play at every bitcoin book that I come across including Fairlay. I'm not going to try Fairlay again after the stiff job. Sweat the game, not the payout.

LOL yea and your going to promote this place....I see you are always protecting the "player" or not so much the "player" like the BETG character explain to the board what he did and how he followed instructions too please......I'd love to see what jetwin who asks for KYC all the time would do when guys dont want to follow there rules....see i am fair and balanced and will call out both bad books and bad dudes that attempt fraud

BTW find me a bad review from a legit review site thats negative on Fairlay....
here is a taste of what one review site says about JETWIN UGHH! :
"Jetwin have shown questionable competency or integrity and are not recommended. Issues include customer reports of canceling legit winning bets, Jetwin demanding users send in know your customer docs before allowing withdrawals, inexplicable domain changes, and a dash of incompetence." They rate it 50%

same site on Fairlay:
"Getting great odds is the most important thing to becoming a long term profitable sports better, much more important than web design or a signup bonus. Because of Fairlay great odds they have to be part of the conversation despite their usability shortcomings.

However if you want an easy, smooth and fun betting experience check the higher ranked sportsbooks on this site." they rate it 80%

[littlekona]

Radiers, Looking at JETWIN Terms and there are alot like most sites....Seems like if I commit fraud or am suspected of fraud they can freeze and or forfeit my funds? Plus they can turn info over to legal authorities? Is this correct or am I reading it wrong??

6. Use of the Website

6.1. Without limiting its ability to seek alternative remedies, the Company may restrict any Customer’s ability to use the Website, suspend or terminate their account, void any bets, forfeit or withhold funds, in its absolute discretion, if the Company has reason to believe or suspicion that the Customer’s dealings with the Company constitute fraudulent activity, wrongdoings or are related to money laundering. Customers acknowledge that if their use of the Website is in breach of any local or national laws with respect to fraud or money laundering, any payments those Customers make with or by the Company may be liable to forfeiture or may be frozen by the Company. To the extent permitted by law, the Company shall not be liable to that Customer for any such payments, nor shall it incur any liability to any Customer where it is required to give information or documentation relating to that Customer to any relevant regulatory authority in such cases.

[raiders72001]

BTW find me a bad review from a legit review site thats negative on Fairlay....

2/25 on Fairlay

That is a shady thing to do to their customers. I thought only sportsbet.io does this to their customers from their last couple of posts on their thread.
As I just heard of fairlay and seeing they have these incidents happening on their site too
well then nitrogensports is looking more and more appealing for those who wish not to have their funds locked into an account that is rendered useless to them unless they submit their id so to have their winnings withheld until they do.
Sounds alot like holding your balance for ransom before being released if you ask me.

2/23 on Fairlay

with that type of account history any other real sportsbook/exchange would have looked passed the bug for sure. That is all i am saying.
If you guys changed my withdrawal amount, i would be a lot more pissed than this guy. that is for damn sure.
Do not even deal with the nonsense no more, move to nitrogensports. they will appreciate your business and give you no hassles.
i withdrew 0.25 btc and got it in 3 minutes today. That is not a lot judging from your account history, but it's so much better than these other places.

nitrogensports .eu

2/23

i had high hopes with fairlay after using their service but i am just blown away by their response. Nothing they can do? when it was a misgrade on their end 2 years ago and they have allowed me to deposit several times after this and not brought it up? Not 1 email, not 1 thing in my statement history, nothing. But whatever.

2/23

fairlay so you robbed this person $600 with exchange differences?

there is nothing you can do...i really dont believe that

but this just reiterates why i dont play with shitty books
they do shitty stuff like this to the customer.

i feel bad for you suneholder. Dont ever use them again and go with nitrogensports is the answer man

2/23

if its from a misgrade then you have every reason to bitch after 2 years and nothing shown in the account reflecting that till now

Has fairplay emailed you regarding what they will do? And what was the bug?

this is some backyard bullshit from fairplay in my eyes.

the fact they even did this and did not just let it go, makes me question their sense of customer service

2/23

I think that the fact THEY had a bug from 2 years ago(!!) and they will now give you the penalty of paying it back is horrible. Not to mention that the value of the 79mbtc two years ago would be a fraction of what it's worth today.

Fairlay, give the dude his money back, what you've done now just shows an incredible lack of customer service.

[raiders72001]

Fairlay vs. betg

You do not want to pay the coins. Coins leaving your hot wallet is treated as revenue lost.

That excuse about money laundering won't easily convince people here to take your side. If you are genuinely concerned about money laundering, then you should have required KYC documents during the account opening or joining phase. Why was depositing coins perfectly OK but then you criminalized withdrawing them? If you are genuinely KYC/AML compliant as you claim, you would be applying the rules ahead of any deposit or even during the account opening stage and not when only when coins are to be withdrawn.

The verdict is simple: you are using every dirty excuse on the face of this planet to keep the coins. This is not fair play.

Fraudsters.

It's obvious that fairlay's behaviours is unacceptable since they are not authority to confiscate people's money at will!
That's the reason i am sick and tired of centralised bookmakers/exchanges i can't wait for decentralised betting and bitcoin exchanges , that's the reason we need them asap
In the mean time i am more than sure that fairlay will pay multiple times the amount they confiscated due to customers lose faith to them after that
I would advise betg to inform as many potential users of fairlay as he cans about this

Rhaver has suggested you surrender the funds to a government authority. They in turn can investigate your accusations. You are the ones committing a fraud in this instance, ignoring the user rather than reach a compromise with him would drag this on forever and harm your reputation. Surely, your brand is worth much more than 1.2btc?

I don't see how any of this can justify taking his money.

If you suspect his intentions were to mix coins, you could just send them back to the sending address (as he asked) which would defeat the purpose of his mixing, as well as file a suspicious activity report.

Or you could surrender them to a government authority, and provide him with the details so he can claim his money back.

How do you found out that the user was a money launderer?
Is there any specific illegal act by the user? If so, please provide proof here. Your posts will not get any value without any proof.
If you fail to proof that the user was a money launderer by illegal act then you will probably lose your right to ask for kyc.
All I'm asking you to proof here by the procedure Fairlay has determined that the user is money launderer.

This is day light robbery fairlay . If your lawyers really advised you on this course of action, then you should fire them. Sadly, you have handled this badly and it seems you have been badly advised.

You don't pocket a players money because you don't like their behavior or you think they are acting suspiciously. There are better ways of dealing with things like this without appearing like crooks, because you are looking like scammers now. I don't want to jump into conclusions but I hope you see reason and return the funds back to the betg, then look for ways to prevent him using your platform. If this re occurs after a warning, you may be right then to seize funds.

You cant label anyone is a "fraud" and take their BTC if they dont oblige to your demand of ID verification. You are not the police or the judge. You can ban players by IP/Account, but you cannot pocket their crypto! Low.

Scammy move by Fairlay.

They dont have a licence as far as i know. Why are you surprised that someone is not willing to send their ID to some random ass no-licence gambling website? You just stole his money as far as i am concerned.

[littlekona]

Fairlay vs. betg

LOL those are all random posts by random people and most on BETG...You are losing credibility here FIND me a review SITE like I posted who has both JETWIN and Fairlay and has JETWIN as better rated like this one

https://bitedge.com/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/fairlay-review/

https://bitedge.com/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/jetwin-review/

See I am fair and Balanced here....

Not some random nonsense....Plus answer this please before you post anything else as its a valid question

Radiers, Looking at JETWIN Terms and there are alot like most sites....Seems like if I commit fraud or am suspected of fraud they can freeze and or forfeit my funds? Plus they can turn info over to legal authorities? Is this correct or am I reading it wrong?? Answer please I will wait TY

6. Use of the Website

6.1. Without limiting its ability to seek alternative remedies, the Company may restrict any Customer’s ability to use the Website, suspend or terminate their account, void any bets, forfeit or withhold funds, in its absolute discretion, if the Company has reason to believe or suspicion that the Customer’s dealings with the Company constitute fraudulent activity, wrongdoings or are related to money laundering. Customers acknowledge that if their use of the Website is in breach of any local or national laws with respect to fraud or money laundering, any payments those Customers make with or by the Company may be liable to forfeiture or may be frozen by the Company. To the extent permitted by law, the Company shall not be liable to that Customer for any such payments, nor shall it incur any liability to any Customer where it is required to give information or documentation relating to that Customer to any relevant regulatory authority in such cases.

[raiders72001]

LOL those are all random posts by random people and most on BETG...You are losing credibility here FIND me a review SITE like I posted who has both JETWIN and Fairlay and has JETWIN as better rated like this one

https://bitedge.com/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/fairlay-review/

https://bitedge.com/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/jetwin-review/

See I am fair and Balanced here....

Not some random nonsense....Plus answer this please before you post anything else as its a valid question

Radiers, Looking at JETWIN Terms and there are alot like most sites....Seems like if I commit fraud or am suspected of fraud they can freeze and or forfeit my funds? Plus they can turn info over to legal authorities? Is this correct or am I reading it wrong?? Answer please I will wait TY

6. Use of the Website

6.1. Without limiting its ability to seek alternative remedies, the Company may restrict any Customer’s ability to use the Website, suspend or terminate their account, void any bets, forfeit or withhold funds, in its absolute discretion, if the Company has reason to believe or suspicion that the Customer’s dealings with the Company constitute fraudulent activity, wrongdoings or are related to money laundering. Customers acknowledge that if their use of the Website is in breach of any local or national laws with respect to fraud or money laundering, any payments those Customers make with or by the Company may be liable to forfeiture or may be frozen by the Company. To the extent permitted by law, the Company shall not be liable to that Customer for any such payments, nor shall it incur any liability to any Customer where it is required to give information or documentation relating to that Customer to any relevant regulatory authority in such cases.

Not that many places rate Fairlay since they aren't well known.

The rules are standard. The way a book enforces rules determines the credibility of the sportsbook.