Shut Out System

[pagodo]

Oakland and their Athletes came together for once

Ha!
Got them @ +123 in the morning.



Update!

Saturday, 7/16

Shutouts on Friday (7/15):
PIT @ HOU, 4-0
TEX @ SEA, 4-0
COL vs MIL, 4-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/15)
fade Colorado, game 2
fade Tampa Bay, game 1
fade Oakland, game 1
fade Seattle, game 1

Plays for 7/16:
fade Colorado, game 3
fade Tampa Bay, game 2
fade Oakland, game 2
fade Seattle, game 1
fade Houston, game 1
fade Milwaukee, game 1


Game 1: 97-96
Game 2: 51-43
Game 3: 18-24
Game 4: 14-10
Game 5: 6-4
Game 6: 3-1

SYSTEM 1 = (189-1)


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/15):
tail Oakland, game 5
tail NY Yankees, game 2
tail Washington, game 1
tail Texas, game 1

Plays for 7/16:
tail NY Yankees, game 3
tail Washington, game 2
tail Texas, game 1
tail Colorado, game 1
tail Pittsburgh, game 1


Game 1: 97-96
Game 2: 51-44
Game 3: 21-22
Game 4: 6-16
Game 5: 6-10
Game 6: 6-4

SYSTEM 2 = (187-4)

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For rules and stats on both systems, check out post #445;
For a rundown on 2011 system losses, check out post #702;
2009-2010 system losses @ post #738;
2008 system losses @ post #742.
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[thelimit0310]

Thanks once again Pagodo! Congrats on your big win with Oakland!

[pagodo]

Thank you!

Hopefully we'll ride another FADE WAVE tonight and tomorrow, let's get all these and make some cash.
I'm also on Washington (another crazy chase).

I love the labby

[DustyDiamond]

pagodo your doing a fantastic job with this thread. I really hope you stick around and do it again next season. thelimit0310 I really like your three line labby. Can make a decent profit using it with the 2 or 3 strike method. I have a rule that I don't jump into systems mid season however this one is looking better and better for a jump in, hard part is I travel a lot an the different time zones can make it hard.
Keep up the great work!!!!

[DustyDiamond]

thelimit0310 just to clear one thing up. Are you using one three line labby for all series? What happens if you clear line 1 but still have 2 more game 1's to go on the same day, do you reset line 1?

[DustyDiamond]

Heads up everyone Oakland is playing a double header today

[pagodo]

Really enjoying taking care of the updates! Especially when we keep winning

I just keep forgetting about these doubleheaders. Didn't need to go to G2 yesterday though.

There's a discussion about our labby lines a few pages back and there's one in the JM/Wallco thread as well, pages 174-176, explaining labby types and strategies. I'm currently running three lines as well and I'm doing a sim on how a two-line labby would perform with this system.

UPDATE
Sunday, 7/17

Shutouts on Saturday (7/16):
CWS @ DET, 5-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/16)
fade Colorado, game 3
fade Tampa Bay, game 2
fade Oakland, game 2
fade Seattle, game 1
fade Houston, game 1
fade Milwaukee, game 1

Plays for 7/17:
fade Milwaukee, game 2
fade Houston, game 2
fade Detroit, game 1


Game 1: 98-98
Game 2: 53-43
Game 3: 19-24
Game 4: 14-10
Game 5: 6-4
Game 6: 3-1

SYSTEM 1 = (193-1)


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/16)
tail NY Yankees, game 3
tail Washington, game 2
tail Texas, game 1
tail Colorado, game 1
tail Pittsburgh, game 1

Plays for 7/17:
tail Pittsburgh, game 2
tail Colorado, game 2
tail Ch White Sox, game 1


Game 1: 98-98
Game 2: 52-44
Game 3: 22-22
Game 4: 6-16
Game 5: 6-10
Game 6: 6-4

SYSTEM 2 = (190-4)

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For rules and stats on both systems, check out post #445;
For a rundown on 2011 system losses, check out post #702;
2009-2010 system losses @ post #738;
2008 system losses @ post #742.
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[thelimit0310]

thelimit0310 just to clear one thing up. Are you using one three line labby for all series? What happens if you clear line 1 but still have 2 more game 1's to go on the same day, do you reset line 1?

Hey Dusty, what I do is lay the amount that is called for on the line for each series being played, even if there are more games than numbers. After the results are I cross out winners first, then add in the losses. If the line is cleared by the wins then I clear the line, start a new line, and add my losses onto that new line.

Should be noted that I only run the Fade system. If you want to do both systems, run a separate 3 line labby for both of them.

[thelimit0310]

My Line 1 has just about tripled in size, I win one which brings me down to 2 numbers on the line, but lose 2 so were back to 4 with a higher unit size. Been like this the past few nights, and the trend needs to break!

[pagodo]

I just read your posts and wondered whether I ever actually mentioned about one little detail that is, for me, very important in how you manage your labby.

It was one of the first articles about the labourchere that I read, several months ago, I posted a link to that article in this thread, 10 pages back; there was great advice in that article in the section about chase series -- that if you manage more than one labby line, it's a good idea to divide the lost bet money between the managed lines.

I always abide by that "rule". I'm somehow feeling a lot more confident when doing that.

So, for the shutout system, I've got three lines, game 1 & 6, 2 & 5 and 3 & 4.
I'm playing 3-strike.
Example:
L 1+6: 21-21-21
L 2+5: 16-16-16-16-16

Game 1 (-105) loses.
L 1+6: 21-21-21-67

I always grab 20 to 40% of the money lost and divide it through the numbers on my next bet.
In this example, I move ~30% from the lost 67 = 21 and divide it through the line I will play next.
So, the next day, before game 2, my lines look like this:
L 1+6: 27,25 - 27,25 - 27,25 - 27,25
L 2+5: 20,2 - 20,2 - 20,2 - 20,2 - 20,2

Just a random thought. I think it's a really good way to control your bet size. If you hit 40-50% the lines will always clear; and dividing your losses like this, none of the lines will ever get too fat

[thelimit0310]

I do my labby like that as well Pagodo as detailed by my post a few pages back. Always good to even out your losses by dividing losses. Just make sure it's between the line in question and not all your lines.

[DustyDiamond]

I do my labby like that as well Pagodo as detailed by my post a few pages back. Always good to even out your losses by dividing losses. Just make sure it's between the line in question and not all your lines.

I think Pagodo is dividing loses between all the lines??

[pagodo]

I think Pagodo is dividing loses between all the lines??

No, no: I always grab 20 to 40% of the money lost and divide it through the numbers on (the line of) my next bet.

[thelimit0310]

No, no: I always grab 20 to 40% of the money lost and divide it through the numbers on (the line of) my next bet.

I was thinking about this earlier, though I have done it on occasion I mainly just stick to the line in question. It seems like this method is futile because if you take 30% and put it on your next bet line, then leave 70% of the loss on that same line after the next loss, you still have 100% of a loss on that line anyway. I suppose you could have it at 80% of a loss on the line, and spare 20% overall, but that just overloads the next line with more bulk. Or perhaps I'm thinking about it in the wrong way?

[pagodo]

You're making a valid point, but only in a case of a losing series.

If you lose six shutout bets in a row, it won't matter whether you divided the losses or not. All the money lost will still lie there waiting to be cleared on your three lines.

But in the long run, if you do hit 40-50% overall, dividing helps to trim the losing line down.
A simple example: 10 straight game 1's lose and 10 straight game 2's win. If you divide, even a bit, after each bet, the game 1 line will look a lot better and your bet size on that line will be significantly lower.

[thelimit0310]

You're making a valid point, but only in a case of a losing series.

If you lose six shutout bets in a row, it won't matter whether you divided the losses or not. All the money lost will still lie there waiting to be cleared on your three lines.

But in the long run, if you do hit 40-50% overall, dividing helps to trim the losing line down.
A simple example: 10 straight game 1's lose and 10 straight game 2's win. If you divide, even a bit, after each bet, the game 1 line will look a lot better and your bet size on that line will be significantly lower.

Hmmm, good point. I used a method like this during the NBA season, letting the stronger bet win back some of the previous bets losses. I think i'll adopt this method and see how it goes with keeping my lines in check, you haven't experienced any problems?

Thanks for the tip Pagodo, see you in the morning!

[pagodo]

Hmmm, good point. I used a method like this during the NBA season, letting the stronger bet win back some of the previous bets losses. I think i'll adopt this method and see how it goes with keeping my lines in check, you haven't experienced any problems?

Thanks for the tip Pagodo, see you in the morning!

It's exactly about keeping the lines in check, when I first learned about the labby, I used to move all that money and numbers around like a madman, now I'm just following that one rule when moving money around the lines and it is making me sleep a lot better. If you start low enough and are confident that the bets you make will be hitting more than 40% in the long run, you can even split the loss 50-50 between the line that lost and the line of the next bet, it's always up to the bettor, really. Myself, I'd hate to lose some and then move on to the next line and not try to recover at least some of that loss

UPDATE
Monday, 7/18

Shutouts on Sunday (7/17):
BOS @ TB, 1-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/17)
fade Milwaukee, game 2
fade Houston, game 2
fade Detroit, game 1

Plays for 7/18:
fade Milwaukee, game 3
fade Tampa Bay, game 1
(pending: fade DET g2)

Game 1: 98-99
Game 2: 54-44
Game 3: 19-24
Game 4: 14-10
Game 5: 6-4
Game 6: 3-1

SYSTEM 1 = (194-1)


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/17)
tail Pittsburgh, game 2
tail Colorado, game 2
tail Ch White Sox, game 1

Plays for 7/18:
tail Colorado, game 3
tail Ch White Sox, game 2
tail Boston, game 1


Game 1: 98-99
Game 2: 53-45
Game 3: 22-22
Game 4: 6-16
Game 5: 6-10
Game 6: 6-4

SYSTEM 2 = (191-4)

---
For rules and stats on both systems, check out post #445;
For a rundown on 2011 system losses, check out post #702;
2009-2010 system losses @ post #738;
2008 system losses @ post #742.
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[thelimit0310]

Both Fade plays - money at my book, hope they pull through. Line 1 needs to start winning!

[apwmel]

Col comes up big tonight and AZ as well. GL to all.

[pagodo]

Col comes up big tonight and AZ as well. GL to all.

I see lots of caps on Boston and Chicago as well. I'll be watching the Rockies game tonight.

[zeusky]

LA baby!! BTW, where did Prime1 vanish? You still here my friend?

[DustyDiamond]

I'm surprised, not a lot of people hanging out on this thread. A lot of money to be made here if played right!!

[Samuraifan]

Yeah I just came across it the other day. Made a little bit of money already

Keep at it. You are doing a great job!

[pagodo]

UPDATE
Tuesday, 7/19

Shutouts on Monday (7/18):
PIT vs CIN, 2-0
ARI vs MIL, 3-0
SF vs LAD, 5-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/18)
fade Milwaukee, game 3
fade Tampa Bay, game 1

Plays for 7/19:
fade Detroit, game 2
fade Cincinnati, game 1
fade Milwaukee, game 1
fade LA Dodgers, game 1


Game 1: 99-99
Game 2: 54-44
Game 3: 20-24
Game 4: 14-10
Game 5: 6-4
Game 6: 3-1

SYSTEM 1 = (196-1)


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/18)
tail Colorado, game 3
tail Ch White Sox, game 2
tail Boston, game 1

Plays for 7/19:
tail Colorado, game 4
tail Pittsburgh, game 1
tail Arizona, game 1
tail San Francisco, game 1


Game 1: 99-99
Game 2: 54-45
Game 3: 22-23
Game 4: 6-16
Game 5: 6-10
Game 6: 6-4

SYSTEM 2 = (193-4)

---
For rules and stats on both systems, check out post #445;
For a rundown on 2011 system losses, check out post #702;
2009-2010 system losses @ post #738;
2008 system losses @ post #742.
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[thelimit0310]

If you play it right it has serious potential, that is for sure.

Was a little worried at the start of the Fade games yesterday, NYY was down by 3 runs before grabbing 4 runs for the win in the last few innings. Glad everything went as planned. Now that current series are finished and I'm ahead, I'm going to start using your method, Pagodo, taking 20-40% from the loss (depending on how much money was lost) and bring it down. Hopefully it goes smoothly.

[packster77]

Thanks for the hard work pagodo keep it up

[pagodo]

Thanks!

It's a good moment to mention that I will be working and travelling a lot for the next three weeks (maybe more).

I might even be too busy to place all the bets I'd want every other day or so, but I'll always find time during the day to grab my notebook and put the update up. I'm running a lot of labby simulations on different systems, so I need to be at it every day. It's fun and I'm up serious money this year, so it's worth it

Just wanted everyone to know I might be posting a bit later than usual for a few weeks.

Great to hear you're ahead, thelimit
We won't have it any other way!

Good luck, thanks for tailing and I hope you're all having a good time and making

[zeusky]

Good luck gentlemen; Pagodo let me know if I can be of any help when you will be traveling.

[zeusky]

I'm surprised, not a lot of people hanging out on this thread. A lot of money to be made here if played right!!

It is good in a way otherwise it might go the way of the JM Thread. This is a friendly thread and it will remain that way.

[DustyDiamond]

That is a good point zeusky. Good luck everyone today

[pagodo]

UPDATE
Wednesday, 7/20

Shutouts on Tuesday (7/19):
PIT vs CIN, 1-0
SD @ FLA, 4-0
TEX @ LAA, 7-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/19)
fade Detroit, game 2
fade Cincinnati, game 1
fade Milwaukee, game 1
fade LA Dodgers, game 1

Plays for 7/20:
fade Detroit, game 3
fade Milwaukee, game 2
fade Florida, game 1
fade Cincinnati, game 1
fade LA Angels, game 1


Game 1: 101-100
Game 2: 54-45
Game 3: 20-24
Game 4: 14-10
Game 5: 6-4
Game 6: 3-1

SYSTEM 1 = (198-1)


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/19)
tail Colorado, game 4
tail Pittsburgh, game 1
tail Arizona, game 1
tail San Francisco, game 1

Plays for 7/20:
tail Arizona, game 2
tail Pittsburgh, game 1
tail San Diego, game 1
tail Texas, game 1


Game 1: 101-100
Game 2: 54-45
Game 3: 22-23
Game 4: 7-16
Game 5: 6-10
Game 6: 6-4

SYSTEM 2 = (196-4)

---
For rules and stats on both systems, check out post #445;
For a rundown on 2011 system losses, check out post #702;
2009-2010 system losses @ post #738;
2008 system losses @ post #742.
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[Prime1]

Z,
I'm Still around, I just spend way too much time out of cell range these days. Business has been very tough on me lately, but I still get to smile when I see the results we are getting here. Thanks to Pagodo, the Limit, and everyone who continues to keep this thread alive. What impresses me the most is the positive attitude and energy that this thread just radiates! Makes you proud to be a part of it, even if you can't currently contribute.

[thelimit0310]

pagodo, I had a question regarding your method we discussed a few days ago, when you pull down the 20-40% to the next line, do you add a number to the end of that line? For example:

5-5-5-5
5-5-5-5

First bet loses so

5-5-5-5-10
5-5-5-5

When you bring down the percentage, let's say 40%, do you add a number to the end of the 2nd line, or distribute it through the line without adding a new number?

5-5-5-5-6
5-5-5-5-4

Is this correct? Obviously I will distribute so the numbers are equal, but is this the right idea or do I only distribute the loss without adding a new number? I reread your post explaining the method and in the example shown you don't add a number to the next line down, just distribute the loss, but I wanted to make sure.

Thanks!

[zeusky]

Z,
I'm Still around, I just spend way too much time out of cell range these days. Business has been very tough on me lately, but I still get to smile when I see the results we are getting here. Thanks to Pagodo, the Limit, and everyone who continues to keep this thread alive. What impresses me the most is the positive attitude and energy that this thread just radiates! Makes you proud to be a part of it, even if you can't currently contribute.

Good to see that you are still around; this thread would have fallen apart long time back if you had not taken the initiative to revive it. And now we have the great Pagodo at the helm. Hopefully your business gets better...good luck man.

[pagodo]

UPDATE
Thursday, 7/21

Shutouts on Wednesday (7/20):
NYY @ TB, 4-0
BOS @ BAL, 4-0
LAD @ SF, 1-0

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System 1 (fade a team that has been shut out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/20)
fade Detroit, game 3
fade Milwaukee, game 2
fade Florida, game 1
fade Cincinnati, game 1
fade LA Angels, game 1

Plays for 7/21:
fade Milwaukee, game 3
fade Cincinnati, game 2
fade LA Angels, game 2
fade Tampa Bay, game 1
fade Baltimore, game 1
fade San Francisco, game 1


Game 1: 102-102
Game 2: 54-46
Game 3: 21-24
Game 4: 14-10
Game 5: 6-4
Game 6: 3-1

SYSTEM 1 = (200-1)


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System 2 (tail a team that has shut another out, 6 game chase):

Results (7/20)
tail Arizona, game 2
tail Pittsburgh, game 1
tail San Diego, game 1
tail Texas, game 1

Plays for 7/21:
tail Arizona, game 3
tail Pittsburgh, game 2
tail Texas, game 2
tail NY Yankees, game 1
tail Boston, game 1
tail LA Dodgers, game 1


Game 1: 102-102
Game 2: 54-46
Game 3: 22-23
Game 4: 7-16
Game 5: 6-10
Game 6: 6-4

SYSTEM 2 = (197-4)

---
For rules and stats on both systems, check out post #445;
For a rundown on 2011 system losses, check out post #702;
2009-2010 system losses @ post #738;
2008 system losses @ post #742.
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