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  • Legions36
    SBR MVP
    • 12-17-10
    • 3032

    #211
    Originally posted by evo34
    Talk about thread pollution... If you really care to find out info. on betmaker, look at their site, contact them or read the many posts about them. It's not that hard. The only b2b they do is through Bookmaker. And there is a 1x rollover required by Bookmaker. Bookmaker and Betmaker are operationally separate (no idea of the ownership structure), and so, no, you don't need a Bookmaker acct. to play there. Lots of ways to deposit/withdraw listed right on the site.

    If you have information, post it. If you have specific questions, ask them. If neither is true, keep quiet. Simple forum decorum.
    U sure cause i heard from both sides its free for everything no rollover.
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    • Fishhead
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-11-05
      • 40179

      #212
      Originally posted by Legions36
      U sure cause i heard from both sides its free for everything no rollover.
      A 1x rollover is obviously nothing to be concerned with..........

      Betmaker will continue to add liquidity.
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      • Full Time Hobo
        SBR MVP
        • 05-16-10
        • 2778

        #213
        If you register an account at betmaker their cs immediately call you about depositing and their services etc. I did so and still have yet to fund there and have been called twice.

        either way if you have some concerns the cs rep that called me has been helpful so i suggest giving them a call rather then depending on people from the forum.
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        • relaaxx
          SBR MVP
          • 06-15-06
          • 3281

          #214
          i only see 2 ways to deposit in the US. *** and ****. that's it. i want to try them out but do not like that they are owned by BOOKMAKER or that costs are high for withdrawls(don't think any withdrawals are free.) and now you can't deposit easily either. was on the phone with cathy(runs deposits) 4 days ago. told me i could deposit with ******* *******, and would call me back with info. never called back. i guess because they eliminated instant deposit. but could have called back to tell what my alternatives are and that they no long support ******* *******. maybe they are not interested in new business enough.
          Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:34 AM.
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          • Full Time Hobo
            SBR MVP
            • 05-16-10
            • 2778

            #215
            Originally posted by relaaxx
            i only see 2 ways to deposit in the US. *** and ****. that's it. i want to try them out but do not like that they are owned by BOOKMAKER or that costs are high for withdrawls(don't think any withdrawals are free.) and now you can't deposit easily either. was on the phone with cathy(runs deposits) 4 days ago. told me i could deposit with ******* *******, and would call me back with info. never called back. i guess because they eliminated ******* *******. but could have called back to tell what my alternatives are and that they no long support instant deposit. maybe they are not interested in new business enough.
            She called me yesterday to tell me ******* ******* was canceled... maybe they didnt get to you
            Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:35 AM.
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            • todd73nj
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 08-09-08
              • 824

              #216
              Originally posted by Hareeba!
              I have read every post in this thread and it really is that hard to sort out the facts from the crap. I have also looked at their site and found little information relating to some of the things which have been posted about how it works. I never asked about b2b. So if I don't need a Bookmaker account to open one and play at Betmaker what's all this about a rollover ? What about withdrawal fees? I obviously have specific questions and if you were to read my previous posts you would have seen them. But instead you chose to come in with your arrogant attitude and comments.
              Hareeba, Why dont you go back to my post on 3/18 at 1:06pm. Spelled out for you.

              Originally posted by ArunSh
              Liquidity on NCAAs was quite excellent today - much better than I've ever seen for any college sport at Matchbook. I'm beginning to regret that I didn't have an account here earlier!
              And is even better today! NBA was very solid today too. UFC was great last night. And some good golf markets today also. Im very satisfied with what I see!
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              • relaaxx
                SBR MVP
                • 06-15-06
                • 3281

                #217
                Originally posted by Full Time Hobo
                She called me yesterday to tell me ******* ******* was canceled... maybe they didnt get to you
                thanks
                Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:36 AM.
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                • the sink
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 03-04-10
                  • 201

                  #218
                  I really hate the cashier
                  Went to deposit and I click moneybookers and nothing happens...
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                  • todd73nj
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 08-09-08
                    • 824

                    #219
                    Originally posted by Legions36
                    U sure cause i heard from both sides its free for everything no rollover.
                    It depends on your deposit method to Bookmaker. If you send them a *** and you pay your own fees there will be no rollover.

                    Originally posted by Full Time Hobo
                    If you register an account at betmaker their cs immediately call you about depositing and their services etc. I did so and still have yet to fund there and have been called twice. either way if you have some concerns the cs rep that called me has been helpful so i suggest giving them a call rather then depending on people from the forum.
                    I think thats been mentioned a bunch of times. Toll Free #. Doesnt get any easier.

                    Originally posted by relaaxx
                    i only see 2 ways to deposit in the US. *** and ****. that's it. i want to try them out but do not like that they are owned by BOOKMAKER or that costs are high for withdrawls(don't think any withdrawals are free.) and now you can't deposit easily either. was on the phone with cathy(runs deposits) 4 days ago. told me i could deposit with ******* *******, and would call me back with info. never called back. i guess because they eliminated ******* *******. but could have called back to tell what my alternatives are and that they no long support ******* ******* maybe they are not interested in new business enough.

                    Originally posted by Full Time Hobo
                    She called me yesterday to tell me ******* ******* was canceled... maybe they didnt get to you
                    ******* ******* is not cancelled. It still appears on my deposit options as does **. Because of the amount of people using it they told me they ran into processor problems and are only using established accounts to use both methods. What a catch 22. Would be great to have those methods to be able to get established But judging by the fact that the liquidity is 10x what is was the first day I started there I guess many people did use those methods.
                    Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:40 AM.
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                    • todd73nj
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 08-09-08
                      • 824

                      #220
                      Originally posted by the sink
                      I really hate the cashier Went to deposit and I click moneybookers and nothing happens...
                      Call them!!! Im sure they will help you. Def some weird stuff the first time you use everything... the cashier, the platform etc. But I thought that same thing when I went from Tradesports to Matchbook.
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                      • todd73nj
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 08-09-08
                        • 824

                        #221
                        Betmaker now appears to be adding 2nd half lines!

                        If you refreshed at half of the UNC/Wash game, under NCAABB there was a 2nd half option!

                        Progress!
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                        • Hareeba!
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 07-01-06
                          • 37194

                          #222
                          Originally posted by todd73nj
                          Hareeba, Why dont you go back to my post on 3/18 at 1:06pm. Spelled out for you.
                          thanks Todd but as we are on very different timezones that reference is a bit tricky for me .. can you quote the post # instead ?
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                          • todd73nj
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 08-09-08
                            • 824

                            #223
                            Originally posted by todd73nj
                            ..... As far as the deposit options disappearing - ****** and ** - I was told that right now the deposits are very limited due to crack downs at processors. Deposits are limited to the two money transfer outfits, **** and book to book transfers. Once you have a history with Betmaker, I was told they would make the two deposit methods available they removed available to you. Again, not the greatest news as ******* ******* and ** are a great way to get money deposited. But FWIW, I am able to use those right now because I deposited almost 3 weeks ago, and have built enough trust I guess. But as far as the other methods, I know some banks allow ******* ***** and this will get your money there in three days.

                            There is also the option of transferring in Book to Book. But you will have to follow the rollover rules of the book you deposit at. On the book to book topic... You can transfer from one property (DSI, Bookmaker) to another free of charge with no rollovers or fees on the Bookmaker side.

                            You can also do account to account transfer free of charge like Tradesports would allow back in the day. Not bad if you have a buddy who has an account there and you have a way to send him some money and a few extra bucks. Was a great way to make a few percent back in the Tradesports days. My account is growing at Betmaker, so I might be up for a few transfers

                            Withdrawal methods are still weak - and will remain so it seems. **** $55 plus .5%. ******* ***** $50 up to $3000. And $81 min for use of a ***** ******** **** - but that fee could go up depending on the amount. Cant say Im excited about any of these....
                            It should read "Betmaker" in that Book to book section.

                            And since that post they have agreed to add $9 regular mail ***** up to $3000.
                            Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:42 AM.
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                            • Domer
                              SBR MVP
                              • 01-21-10
                              • 1046

                              #224
                              Can you **** in?
                              Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:43 AM.
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                              • todd73nj
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 08-09-08
                                • 824

                                #225
                                Originally posted by Domer
                                Can you **** in?
                                Yes, but a $2500 minimum on a **** being sent to them
                                Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:43 AM.
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                                • Hareeba!
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 07-01-06
                                  • 37194

                                  #226
                                  $81 min for use of a money transfer site !!

                                  coming and/or going ?

                                  presumably that includes Moneybookers?

                                  so can you confirm that I can ignore Bookmaker altogether and simply open an account at Betmaker and play there with no rollover requirements?
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                                  • todd73nj
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 08-09-08
                                    • 824

                                    #227
                                    Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                    $81 min for use of a money transfer site !! coming and/or going ? presumably that includes Moneybookers? so can you confirm that I can ignore Bookmaker altogether and simply open an account at Betmaker and play there with no rollover requirements?
                                    $81 to get a $840 withdrawal on the same day. In bound you pay the $10 fee to send your $840.

                                    I have no idea the Moneybookers fees. And from what Betmaker has told me - if there was no fee to deposit to Bookmaker then there would be no rollover transfering to Betmaker. But if you used a ** obviously there was a cost to Bookmaker. So Id just deposit via Moneybookers since you arent in the USA. Just call and ask the fee - of there is one
                                    Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:43 AM.
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                                    • Hareeba!
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 07-01-06
                                      • 37194

                                      #228
                                      Originally posted by todd73nj
                                      $81 to get a $840 withdrawal on the same day. In bound you pay the $10 fee to send your $840.

                                      I have no idea the Moneybookers fees. And from what Betmaker has told me - if there was no fee to deposit to Bookmaker then there would be no rollover transfering to Betmaker. But if you used a ** obviously there was a cost to Bookmaker. So Id just deposit via Moneybookers since you arent in the USA. Just call and ask the fee - of there is one
                                      ok, thanks, will clarify with them
                                      Moneybookers do charge merchants fees just as ************ do so they probably do hit you
                                      $81 to withdraw $840 seems exorbitant to me, add it to $10 inbound is >10%
                                      still struggling to see how this can work out better than MB
                                      Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:43 AM.
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                                      • Hareeba!
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                                        • 07-01-06
                                        • 37194

                                        #229
                                        Toronto @ Oklahoma
                                        Pinnacle and Matchbook have the line at 14
                                        Betmaker stuck on a stale 12.5 line

                                        totals line is also 3 points off!

                                        they will need to get their act in order to get my business
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                                        • tofuman
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 01-11-10
                                          • 887

                                          #230
                                          Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                          Toronto @ Oklahoma
                                          Pinnacle and Matchbook have the line at 14
                                          Betmaker stuck on a stale 12.5 line

                                          totals line is also 3 points off!

                                          they will need to get their act in order to get my business
                                          agreed, they need to be quicker at updating the lines, also they should imitate matchbook and show multiple lines for those that still want to bet on lines previously put up.
                                          local forum troll
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                                          • relaaxx
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 06-15-06
                                            • 3281

                                            #231
                                            just got an email explaining my deposit options here in the US. **-** or **. there is a fee for all depoits. $15 plus whatever else you have to pay to the 3rd party you use for the deposit. then they have high withdrawl fees. plus the commision. maybe sometime in the future when there is MUCH MORE liquidity it may be worth paying all these fees. not now. not to me. they should cover at least the deposit fee. and be glad they have another customer they can get commisions from and have more liquidity with thier help. it's too much of a pain in the ass to only have 2 or 3 deposit options( none of which i can do from my home,without ridiculous fees) and to pay them for the privilege of playing there.
                                            Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 03:48 PM.
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                                            • ArunSh
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 09-24-07
                                              • 6801

                                              #232
                                              Nice liquidity again today. I agree adding alternate lines would be nice though.
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                                              • jackkkk2009
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 07-13-09
                                                • 1183

                                                #233
                                                Originally posted by ArunSh
                                                Nice liquidity again today. I agree adding alternate lines would be nice though.
                                                yes, I agree with u. they need to add alternate lines for spreads & totals of NBA, NFL & MLB.. that would be much better..
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                                                • Domer
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 01-21-10
                                                  • 1046

                                                  #234
                                                  Originally posted by todd73nj
                                                  Yes, but a $2500 minimum on a **** being sent to them
                                                  Looks like they make me pay the **** fees...hrmmm...that could be quite a lot.
                                                  Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:44 AM.
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                                                  • shari91
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 02-23-10
                                                    • 32661

                                                    #235
                                                    Hey everyone -

                                                    As you can see throughout this thread, beginning with the first post, please do not continue to refer to withdrawal or deposit methods. If you have specific enquiries about processing methods or require further clarification, you can direct those to Betmaker or ask a fellow poster via private messaging.
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                                                    • todd73nj
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 08-09-08
                                                      • 824

                                                      #236
                                                      Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                                      Toronto @ Oklahoma Pinnacle and Matchbook have the line at 14 Betmaker stuck on a stale 12.5 line totals line is also 3 points off! they will need to get their act in order to get my business
                                                      Originally posted by tofuman
                                                      agreed, they need to be quicker at updating the lines, also they should imitate matchbook and show multiple lines for those that still want to bet on lines previously put up.
                                                      They def need to update lines quicker. I will email them about this at the end of the week once I have a bunch of stuff I want to toss at them.

                                                      But with the great prices and liquidity available on the stale line - makes it very easy to find a magic # with another site where you win on both sides Just have to do a little homework.

                                                      Originally posted by relaaxx
                                                      just got an email explaining my deposit options here in the US. **-** or **. there is a fee for all depoits. $15 plus whatever else you have to pay to the 3rd party you use for the deposit. then they have high withdrawl fees. plus the commision. maybe sometime in the future when there is MUCH MORE liquidity it may be worth paying all these fees. not now. not to me. they should cover at least the deposit fee. and be glad they have another customer they can get commisions from and have more liquidity with thier help. it's too much of a pain in the ass to only have 2 or 3 deposit options( none of which i can do from my home,without ridiculous fees) and to pay them for the privilege of playing there.
                                                      Well there will be a $9 regular mail ***** - which makes their withdrawals pretty much the same as anyone in the industry. But yes, it appears they are struggling with deposit methods. No one is disagreeing. But I think most books are now. Ive reached the same point with 5dimes.


                                                      Originally posted by ArunSh
                                                      Nice liquidity again today. I agree adding alternate lines would be nice though.
                                                      Improving daily IMO!

                                                      Originally posted by Domer
                                                      Looks like they make me pay the **** fees...hrmmm...that could be quite a lot.
                                                      $35 for me - any amount up to $9999.
                                                      Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 03:48 PM.
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                                                      • Igetp2s
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 05-21-07
                                                        • 1046

                                                        #237
                                                        They need to clarify all banking issues clearly on one page with up to date information. It seems everyone is getting different answers based on who they talk to.
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                                                        • Hareeba!
                                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                          • 07-01-06
                                                          • 37194

                                                          #238
                                                          NBA Sacramento @ Chicago 196.5 total

                                                          BM -111 / -102 peanuts on offer

                                                          MB -103 / +102 over $1k offers on both
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                                                          • ArunSh
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 09-24-07
                                                            • 6801

                                                            #239
                                                            Well there are some games at BM where liquidity isn't great ,and others where it's quite good. I don't recall matchbook really being different in that regard, there were often games where liquidity was bad there also! Personally I wish I could have an account at both - best of both worlds! But being from the US, Matchbook is not an option...
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                                                            • Hareeba!
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 07-01-06
                                                              • 37194

                                                              #240
                                                              Originally posted by ArunSh
                                                              Well there are some games at BM where liquidity isn't great ,and others where it's quite good. I don't recall matchbook really being different in that regard, there were often games where liquidity was bad there also! Personally I wish I could have an account at both - best of both worlds! But being from the US, Matchbook is not an option...
                                                              probably right but my previous post was mainly for the benefit of Todd to comment upon after having said that BM had it over MB on all counts

                                                              he's failed to answer several calls to justify his opinion
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                                                              • omahamoneymaker
                                                                SBR Hustler
                                                                • 09-20-10
                                                                • 72

                                                                #241
                                                                Disappointing this morning that you can't get to any lines for the sweet 16 games or any NBA.
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                                                                • wrongturn
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 06-06-06
                                                                  • 2228

                                                                  #242
                                                                  Need to get used to its betting platform. It is very different from MB.
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                                                                  • todd73nj
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 08-09-08
                                                                    • 824

                                                                    #243
                                                                    Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                                                    NBA Sacramento @ Chicago 196.5 total BM -111 / -102 peanuts on offer MB -103 / +102 over $1k offers on both
                                                                    You are nothing but a shill joke. You took one total out of about 20 listed games - and typed in your response instead of a copy and paste. I wont waste the space again with a 5 screen long response, but right now Betmaker odds are equal to or better than MB in about 75% of the lines, and liquidity is the same - and thats just the NBA.

                                                                    If you goto NCAA (and we know Hareeba, you are the one guy who doesnt care about NCAA - but take a look, buddy.) Mathcbook has ONE, yes ONE price and liquidity of $228 on each side of the NCAA spreads, MLs and totals. While Betmaker has multiple prices and much more liquidity.

                                                                    Originally posted by ArunSh
                                                                    Well there are some games at BM where liquidity isn't great ,and others where it's quite good. I don't recall matchbook really being different in that regard, there were often games where liquidity was bad there also! Personally I wish I could have an account at both - best of both worlds! But being from the US, Matchbook is not an option...
                                                                    Exactly the point Ive made, and the information I posted, Arun. Betmaker is equal to or better in 75% of the cases, while The same could be said for Matchbook. But guys like Hareeba look for one instance where something is better and throw that out there.

                                                                    Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                                                    probably right but my previous post was mainly for the benefit of Todd to comment upon after having said that BM had it over MB on all counts he's failed to answer several calls to justify his opinion
                                                                    Please, quote my post. Make sure to include where I was critical of Deposits and Withdrawals. What a dope.

                                                                    Originally posted by omahamoneymaker
                                                                    Disappointing this morning that you can't get to any lines for the sweet 16 games or any NBA.
                                                                    They are listed under NCAA, Thurs and Fri. They are there with a ton of prices up.
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                                                                    • todd73nj
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 08-09-08
                                                                      • 824

                                                                      #244
                                                                      Once again, I will post some screen shots to show clearly, who has better liquidity and prices rat the moment, and its Betmaker. I wont bother with NCAA - because MB has $228 posted on all markets.
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                                                                      • Hareeba!
                                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                        • 07-01-06
                                                                        • 37194

                                                                        #245
                                                                        Originally posted by todd73nj
                                                                        You are nothing but a shill joke. You took one total out of about 20 listed games - and typed in your response instead of a copy and paste. I wont waste the space again with a 5 screen long response, but right now Betmaker odds are equal to or better than MB in about 75% of the lines, and liquidity is the same - and thats just the NBA.
                                                                        I took the only line I was betting for the day.

                                                                        And again today;
                                                                        NHL Toronto @ Minnesota
                                                                        BM +108 -113 for some peanuts on offer
                                                                        MB +109 -111 for higher offers and I've already been matched for a tidy sum

                                                                        Originally posted by todd73nj
                                                                        If you goto NCAA (and we know Hareeba, you are the one guy who doesnt care about NCAA - but take a look, buddy.) Mathcbook has ONE, yes ONE price and liquidity of $228 on each side of the NCAA spreads, MLs and totals. While Betmaker has multiple prices and much more liquidity.
                                                                        you're right of no interest to me and I've already conceded that others have said there's no liquidity in that at MB but that's irrelevant to anything I've said in this discussion

                                                                        perhaps this is a sign that what MB said about the US players not being the backbone of their site is correct as I would think there is probably very little interest in it outside of the US as compared with the pro sports
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