Be careful playing with 5Dimes

[nobs]

Best price ever was +6600 on Watney to win, so 150 players no way you gonna get +2000 on him finishing in top 20. Huge error by the book

Jake77 joined yesterday just to side with 5 dimes. LOL.

5 dimes must have been out of usernames.

[nobs]

. I'm not saying your a shill, ...

i am

[polskboy]

next user name will be "god "

[Cougar Bait]

This was on my list of possible deposits. I have been shopping for an online book, well, looking at least.

Probably going to stick with the local now.

It's garbage like this that makes me glad I don't have to deal with arrogant pricks. Even if he was right about the rule, he didn't have to treat the player with no respect. 5 Dimes will never get my money.

[sportscash]

I think hiding under the BAD LINE statement is Bullshiiit

If you offered the Line, Pay it!!!!

How are we supposed to know lines are bad?

Tony is a DICKHEAD

Agree i think i will get my money outa there.

[LVHerbie]

Lol I work for an Australian bookie and the way it works is.. If we place bad lines we must honour it.. We had ppl placing melbourne storm 200-1 of getting wooden spoon in nrl just few days of inside news and we still honoured the bets! If bookies make mistakes then the customer should receive every cent that they are owed.. Not bullshit "oops we made the mistake so too bad we can change it"..that's just load of shit to be honest.. I hope u get ur money mate

I personally think this how it should work but the offshore world is obviously not regulated in the same manner as your location or Vegas.... Betting off shores is a completely different ball game and why players need to do research BEFORE depositing and betting and why reputable rating services, such as SBR, have so much value... Betting off shores is basically like being in the wild west and when you get assholes like Tony running the show the only rule that matters in the (long run) is "buyer beware"... If good customer service plays in any part in the ratings here seems like this thread (and many other examples) show that 5dimes is due for a downgrade...

Personally I believe I deposited and played at every book in SBR's recommended list except 5dimes... Continuously seeing shit like this when you search the forums for 5dimes (where as you don't see the same type of discussions when you search for betcris, pinnacle, or the greek) is my major consideration for that decision...

[polskboy]

This was on my list of possible deposits. I have been shopping for an online book, well, looking at least. Probably going to stick with the local now. It's garbage like this that makes me glad I don't have to deal with arrogant pricks. Even if he was right about the rule, he didn't have to treat the player with no respect. 5 Dimes will never get my money.

great that you state your opinion on this one pal. i hate when books take a shot at players.

[BetterBizness]

Ok....since nobody disputed my story, then there is nothing else to say. I understand there are two sides to every story and that you should not take a shot on obviously bad lines. This line was a good line for me, so I bet it. If I thought it was an obviously bad line then I wouldn't have bet it, since I know Tony won't pay.

As far as the max bet thing......I don't know that 250 is max bet........I have 250 on a Super Bowl future and 250 on a College Future. If that is coincidence it really doesn't matter anyways. If I thought that 20-1 should have been 2-1, then then they adjuste to 15-1 then I guess that should be 1.5-1? I didn't bet anymore at 10-1, either. Why not bet at 10-1 if you think the line should be 2-1?

Either way, the point of this thread was not extortion to get paid. I already was DENIED. The point is to tell the story. Each poster can get a feel and a vibe for what happened.

All I know is that when I couldn't log into my account on the last day of the tourney I was shocked and I called a good friend about it huffing and puffing about being cheated. I am either the greatest actor in the world or I in good faith believed the play was good.

The point is, that even if they intended to put up 2-1, the facts tell the story, and if the player is going to be treated like I did in these situations then other bettors have the right to now.

Since nobody has offered an ounce of denial as to my story, I am going to call this the final post. I laid everything out there in the thread, and there is nothing more to add. Good luck this season. Tony deserved the insults, but maybe this is his way of warning others not to bet lines that look too favorable. He has a right to do that since it is his business. I am sure people will think twice about betting any props that aren't stone cold losers in their mind.

Thanks for listening. I will not post again about this matter.

I think you made your case extremely well... I've been betting for 14 years online, and I only JUST learned what "Shot taking" was... I believe you are telling the truth.. I'd be at LEAST as angry as you right now if it happened to me...

I think this was a very informative and productive thread that anyone who is on the fence... WILL NOT bet with 5 Dimes... or even, like me.. close their account as opposed to start betting... I would NEVER go to a site, assuming, which I have, that "Tony" really wrote in that chat... offering THAT type of horrendous customer service.

Even though it's not the point, and has been mentioned... Imagine If Tony came on and said... Look, we shouldn't have given you that line... We did... We will honour it... Imagine the positive image they would get...

Even if he said, we will be limiting your action from now on... I'd STILL see that as positive feedback, and would likely feel comfortable in betting there and moving at least part of my BR there...

Oh well.. It hasn't...

Cliffs: 5 Dimes is terrible.. Run by people who want to make you feel terrible for betting there... I can do that at........ Wait.. I don't know anywhere that makes me feel terrible for TAKING my $...

Never mind....

[BChrisB]

Thanks for listening. I will not post again about this matter.

This thread really caught my attention as I hope it has for others too (not just the ones who posted here)

I really hope this thread stays active and gets bumped up at least once a week on Fridays right before the College and Football weekend so any no would be bettors have a chance to read this thread before the weekend kicks off.

I'm closing my 5dimes account, Thank You

[OldSchool75]

Glad you brought this to everyones attention.

[wtf]

Lol I work for an Australian bookie and the way it works is.. If we place bad lines we must honour it.. We had ppl placing melbourne storm 200-1 of getting wooden spoon in nrl just few days of inside news and we still honoured the bets! If bookies make mistakes then the customer should receive every cent that they are owed.. Not bullshit "oops we made the mistake so too bad we can change it"..that's just load of shit to be honest.. I hope u get ur money mate

five pennies got owned with this post

aussie books are regulated and competitive, they know any bad will will kill their biz

five pennies are clowns and buffoons, especially since they have a monumental loser like durito as their resident sbr shill

[Grandmaster B]

Jake77 joined yesterday just to side with 5 dimes. LOL.

5 dimes must have been out of usernames.

[Grandmaster B]

if the bet had lost would there have been a refund because of the "error?"

if not...then the book took a shot at the player AND LOST

[raydog]

grandmaster b.... if you bet an obvious bad line and it loses, then you deserve to lose...bottom line... and no , the bet shouldnt be voided and you should feel lucky if the book allows you to keep an acct. with them. jaysus people, human error happens in everything we do and i will never understand why people try to take advantage of human error and then if caught, bitch about it like they are fukking owed something...its ridiculous... 5dimes is a great book with heavy heavy volume... mistakes will be made from time to time... for god sakes people... READ all the RULES (especially those concerning roll overs/limits etc), dont take shots, dont past bet and treat the book exactly like you want to be treated and all should be fine...

[Grandmaster B]

grandmaster b.... if you bet an obvious bad line and it loses, then you deserve to lose...bottom line... and no , the bet shouldnt be voided and you should feel lucky if the book allows you to keep an acct. with them. jaysus people, human error happens in everything we do and i will never understand why people try to take advantage of human error and then if caught, bitch about it like they are fukking owed something...its ridiculous... 5dimes is a great book with heavy heavy volume... mistakes will be made from time to time... for god sakes people... READ all the RULES (especially those concerning roll overs/limits etc), dont take shots, dont past bet and treat the book exactly like you want to be treated and all should be fine...

sooo book the bet...watch and see the results...then grade accordingly?

sounds bush league to me...

[boeing power]

i cant believe some people are siding with the book here. 5DIMES should be downgraded to F and tony is a scumbag gangster ,
i have no money in their book and never will, let this thread live on and show all newcomers about this book as SBR has obviously sided with the guys that pay their bills

and to poster BEWAREOF5DIMES, join the other forums and post your experience, hit these guys where it matters most, their pocketbook, will you put them out of business?NO, but you can hurt their bottomline

[raydog]

human error puts the info into the system...the system takes the bet....if the error is caught before the game/match begins, the bet should be voided...nobody is debating that ... if the error isnt caught till after the game/match starts, winning bets should be voided and losing bets should count against the player because THEY TOOK A FUKKING SHOT AT STEALING FROM THE BOOK AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED! yes you should lose the money you bet...or put it this way, you WILL usually lose that money from most books...why in the world do you people think that its okay to try and steal? thats what you are doing when you bet an obvious bad line...do you not realize this? and yes , you deserved to be punished for trying to take advantage of human error and stealing from the book... no bush league to it... absolutely nothing can ever come from trying to steal from a book. you WILL be the one crying about it in the end... you see a really off/bad line, call them and tell them about it, or at least confirm that this is their line before firing down on it... look at things from both sides before judging these things.

[raydog]

i cant believe some people are siding with the book here. 5DIMES should be downgraded to F and tony is a scumbag gangster ,
i have no money in their book and never will, let this thread live on and show all newcomers about this book as SBR has obviously sided with the guys that pay their bills

boeing, i havent even read this thread...i was simply replying to gmaster b's post ... i guess ill take a few minutes and read over the start of the thread, but ive seen so many it will probably be a useless he said/she said kind of deal.... again, as of now i dont even know what the arguement is yet and im not siding with the book here...yet... gimme a minute, ill be back

[shari91]

human error puts the info into the system...the system takes the bet....if the error is caught before the game/match begins, the bet should be voided...nobody is debating that ... if the error isnt caught till after the game/match starts, winning bets should be voided and losing bets should count against the player because THEY TOOK A FUKKING SHOT AT STEALING FROM THE BOOK AND SHOULD BE PUNISHED! yes you should lose the money you bet...or put it this way, you WILL usually lose that money from most books...why in the world do you people think that its okay to try and steal? thats what you are doing when you bet an obvious bad line...do you not realize this? and yes , you deserved to be punished for trying to take advantage of human error and stealing from the book... no bush league to it... absolutely nothing can ever come from trying to steal from a book. you WILL be the one crying about it in the end... you see a really off/bad line, call them and tell them about it, or at least confirm that this is their line before firing down on it... look at things from both sides before judging these things.

This is one of the two arguments in this thread that I'm still uneasy with. How in the hell am I supposed to know that it was an obvious bad line if the whole reason of betting props with 5Dimes is because they're one of the only books in the world to offer a massive range of props in the first place? Who am I comparing the line to? And then even if I did know that the line was off somehow, according to the whizkids in the Think Tank, that's where a chunk of the value comes from betting props at all. A book trying to lure people in with great lines on long shots or banking so heavily on the favourite to win that the lines on other players/teams are soft and can be capitalised on with some research.

At what point does the responsibility of hanging a bad line shift to the book? After one day? After 2? How about in this case when it was after 6 days? It's not like the line was hung for a one off, 2 hour event. This is a 4 day tournament with the line being posted at least 2 days before it even began. And then to have Tony take action on the fourth day when the long shot was miraculously leading the whole tournament even raises doubt in my too trusting ass. As I said earlier, I usually can find a reason to side with the book in most of these threads and that's the reason I stay out of them. But in this one, I really can't see it at all.

[paco]

Worse customer service in all of offshore betting.

Tony is the real shot taker.


Just read the chat, what's bunch of bullshit.

Sbr, do the right thing and take 5 dimes down to a D- rating.

[kmarinouofm]

it was to easy to do the right thing in this case.. to talk the way he did.. just wasn't called for.. he was guilty in tony's eyes before he even opened his mouth..

Shari is right who the hell really shops around tennis props? i mean shit if u find one u even want to play you should probably take it as finding it again somewhere else can be a real pain..

lol shot taking.. WTF is playing tournament props like this anyway.. its pure shot taking to being with..

[LostBankroll]

SBR wont do a damn thing. 5Dimes will remain a A+ book until they slow pay or the check doesnt arrive at Lou's office every first of the month. Not even a fukin responce from any SBR rep in this thread, What a bullshit book being helped by a bullshit website (SBR).

[aweweo808]

This thread def scares me a little bit since i got some moeny in with them. But 5dimes should def look inot getting someone on here to resolve these kind of problems.

[raydog]

theres nothing that i can add to this that Darkhorse and Durito dont explain, but ill give my take...

hey shari, hope you are doing well babe!

okay, there are a few things that are obvious...
1. the guy bets a ton of golf and knows what he is doing...he follows it and appears to be better than avg. at golf props...
2. he took an unreal shot at a shit line on paul casey..he knows he did it and anyone who bets golf knows he did it.. nobody cares about someones twitter and he doesnt have a say in this argument...an obvious shot at the book here and a red flag should be raised on this player at this point...

3. he studies golf and made it a point to say that he did a good amount of research on Watney....so there is no doubt that he knew what the odds were on watney at every level... to win, top 5, top 10 and therefore its beyond obvious that he knew the "top 20" odds were bad...the guy knows golf and how to bet it and knows good and well that the higher the range of finish the lower the odds...cmon man...he said it himself that he looked over all the info on Watney and the guy bets a ton of golf, so he knows exactly what he is doing and knew he was taking another big shot at the books bad line...
to win was 50/1
Tony: top 5 was 8/1
Tony: top 10 was 4/1
Tony: and what price do you think top 20 should have been?
... tony said everything that needed to be said right here...

dont sit there and tell someone that you make tons of golf bets and dont realize the 20/1 odds here are fukked when you are studying a player...plaaeeeeessseee just dont do it...you look stupid.

4. odds on props are adjusted by the software when the max bet is made...anyone who plays props should know this and if you dont, well then read the rules or learn a lesson.. 20-1 was a really bad line and the software was simply moving the prop for the specific player when the players max was reached...if you didnt know it worked this way, now you do...tony could have mentioned this though and it might have made things a bit easier to stomach, his fault for not bringing it up...

. the book obv. looked at all bets on watney (and those near the lead) till after day 3 so that they could get an idea of the hit they might take...this is normal... they really have no real reason to check tournament props till after day 3...

my take on this story... sorry dude, but you took shots at this book...if you didnt have but a few golf bets on record, i can understand the mistake, but you heavily bet golf and you knew , beyond a shadow of doubt, that the lines were bad and you still played them... like i said before, the flag was raised on you with the Casey bet.

tony can be a huge prick...he will tell you that, but in this case, he is correct... if he gave you the 2/1 winnings, then you are lucky and should thank him for doing it... many places would have voided the bet after the tournament and taken your money if the bet lost.

[blittydeuce]

tonyy

[paco]

Ray, it doesn't matter.

Tell then to get there home in check if they gonna be a bookmaker. If they put Bad lines, thas there bad. If it lost, I'm sure they Woulds took his money with no problem.

And this tourney was for a while, they coulda adjusted and contacted him quicker, not when it's ready to cash.

[Mikail]

Both sides have a point. The thing that interests me most here is not once has an sbr upper tier management poster commented at all. That to me is speaking volumes. I think everyone would like to hear sbr's opinion on the matter.

[kmarinouofm]

Both sides have a point. The thing that interests me most here is not once has an sbr upper tier management poster commented at all. That to me is speaking volumes. I think everyone would like to hear sbr's opinion on the matter.

[paco]

5dimes= Fail.

[raydog]

paco, whats shakin... hope all is well on the homefront bro...

imo, too much debate on what should happen during a bad line...do you really think that the book should be financially punished because people with poor morals took a shot at obvious human error? no, absolutely not. its flat out stealing when you attempt to bet bad lines...some books will chuck you altogether ... i really dont like this guy saying that he didnt know the lines on casey and the 20/1 line were bad...the guy bets a lot of golf..he took shots and knew it..nobody should be rewarded for that... thats how i handle things and just my opinion on this matter.

[soli]

I never knew 5dimes had issues and this is my 1st time hearing any negative reports.

[Extra Innings]

theres nothing that i can add to this that Darkhorse and Durito dont explain, but ill give my take...

hey shari, hope you are doing well babe!

okay, there are a few things that are obvious...
1. the guy bets a ton of golf and knows what he is doing...he follows it and appears to be better than avg. at golf props...
2. he took an unreal shot at a shit line on paul casey..he knows he did it and anyone who bets golf knows he did it.. nobody cares about someones twitter and he doesnt have a say in this argument...an obvious shot at the book here and a red flag should be raised on this player at this point...

3. he studies golf and made it a point to say that he did a good amount of research on Watney....so there is no doubt that he knew what the odds were on watney at every level... to win, top 5, top 10 and therefore its beyond obvious that he knew the "top 20" odds were bad...the guy knows golf and how to bet it and knows good and well that the higher the range of finish the lower the odds...cmon man...he said it himself that he looked over all the info on Watney and the guy bets a ton of golf, so he knows exactly what he is doing and knew he was taking another big shot at the books bad line...
to win was 50/1
Tony: top 5 was 8/1
Tony: top 10 was 4/1
Tony: and what price do you think top 20 should have been?
... tony said everything that needed to be said right here...

dont sit there and tell someone that you make tons of golf bets and dont realize the 20/1 odds here are fukked when you are studying a player...plaaeeeeessseee just dont do it...you look stupid.

4. odds on props are adjusted by the software when the max bet is made...anyone who plays props should know this and if you dont, well then read the rules or learn a lesson.. 20-1 was a really bad line and the software was simply moving the prop for the specific player when the players max was reached...if you didnt know it worked this way, now you do...tony could have mentioned this though and it might have made things a bit easier to stomach, his fault for not bringing it up...

. the book obv. looked at all bets on watney (and those near the lead) till after day 3 so that they could get an idea of the hit they might take...this is normal... they really have no real reason to check tournament props till after day 3...

my take on this story... sorry dude, but you took shots at this book...if you didnt have but a few golf bets on record, i can understand the mistake, but you heavily bet golf and you knew , beyond a shadow of doubt, that the lines were bad and you still played them... like i said before, the flag was raised on you with the Casey bet.

tony can be a huge prick...he will tell you that, but in this case, he is correct... if he gave you the 2/1 winnings, then you are lucky and should thank him for doing it... many places would have voided the bet after the tournament and taken your money if the bet lost.

I agree. I say refund ALL wagers and give the player the boot.

[GiveMeaBJ]

It's clear what happened here. The original poster took some shots on some bad odds. Tony made the situation worse by being a dick. Had Tony not gotten so fired up and tried to calmly talk about it this wouldn't be up here. All it would have took was, "Hi, Eric, I'm Tony the GM. I noticed you had two bets in particular that were bad lines due to human error. Your top 20 bet should not have been 20 to 1. It should have been 2 to 1. Your 425 to 1 bet should have been 42.5 to 1. At 5dimes we do not appreciate people who try to take shots at our erroneous lines. I need to know if this is intentional or if you may have not realized our mistake?"

Eric: "No, I thought the bets were just good odds for me. I didn't know they were bad lines."

Tony: "Ok, sir. As stated in 5dimes rules we reserve the right to cancel any play in which our line posted was erroneous. These two plays fall under that category. In the future be more aware when betting these lines that seem to good to be true. If you continue to bet bad lines we will consider you a shot-taker and dishonest customer who we do not want to continue buissness with. If you have any questions about lines please contact one of our customer service people. Are we on the same page?"

Eric: "Yes"

Tony: "Ok, sir let me open up your account for you and we will grade these plays as wins under the correct odds. Thank you for understanding our mistake."

That is all it would have taken to keep this a minimal issue.

[Extra Innings]

It's clear what happened here. The original poster took some shots on some bad odds. Tony made the situation worse by being a dick. Had Tony not gotten so fired up and tried to calmly talk about it this wouldn't be up here. All it would have took was, "Hi, Eric, I'm Tony the GM. I noticed you had two bets in particular that were bad lines due to human error. Your top 20 bet should not have been 20 to 1. It should have been 2 to 1. Your 425 to 1 bet should have been 42.5 to 1. At 5dimes we do not appreciate people who try to take shots at our erroneous lines. I need to know if this is intentional or if you may have not realized our mistake?"

Eric: "No, I thought the bets were just good odds for me. I didn't know they were bad lines."

Tony: "Ok, sir. As stated in 5dimes rules we reserve the right to cancel any play in which our line posted was erroneous. These two plays fall under that category. In the future be more aware when betting these lines that seem to good to be true. If you continue to bet bad lines we will consider you a shot-taker and dishonest customer who we do not want to continue buissness with. If you have any questions about lines please contact one of our customer service people. Are we on the same page?"

Eric: "Yes"

Tony: "Ok, sir let me open up your account for you and we will grade these plays as wins under the correct odds. Thank you for understanding our mistake."

That is all it would have taken to keep this a minimal issue.

Handled like a true New Jersian

[GiveMeaBJ]

Handled like a true New Jersian