Be careful playing with 5Dimes

[BewareOf5Dimes]

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beware 5dimes, what are you trying to achieve. I'm not going to disparage you from posting and such...do you have a goal in mind or just post over and over. Did you reach out to SBR and ask them to enter into chat with the book in question?? Just trying to see what your trying to accomplish...if you think you will put a dent in there business i can suggest that will never happen. Most bettors want the security of knowing the book won't close, money will be there and payouts are quick. I'd try to see if a resolution can be handled on your behalf....i'm done commenting on this..good luck to you

All I am doing is telling my story. People are welcome to play at 5Dimes. In fact, I was excited as hell to have fun with props all summer while waiting for football.

In case you didn't read the chat log, Tony treated me like a subhuman and an idiot. Imagine in good faith rooting for Watney for three days in a row, sweating every putt and then somehow he ends up with the lead by 3 heading into the final round. Imagine how exciting that would be if all he had to do is finish in the top 20?

Now, imagine also having 100 other guys and having a 90 percent chance of having one of them win. You add that to the Watney winnings and suddenly the least I could get back was 10K that Sunday, and it was possible that I could get close to 20K. I had about $20 on Jason Dufner at about 600-1, and he was top 5 heading into the last day.

So, imagine waking up and not being able to log into your account. Then imagine dealing with Tony in Chat and watching him change your bet right in front of your eyes and then cancel the logs so you can't prove it (though I had already copied it).

Now, imagine having about $80 on Bubba Watson to win 9K because he was 125-1 and he loses in a Playoff because he played like an idiot (I had Kaymer who won, but for a lot less).

Imagine how BRUTAL that day would be. Then, to top it off, Watney chokes and finishes tied for 18th (6 way tie so I would have only got back 3.5K or so, anyways. As it was, the cheat odds got me back a lot less than that...even money on my $500 because of the 6-way tie for 18th at 3-1, when it should have been figured on 20-1 and 15-1). One big disaster of a day. The whole thing was just a train wreck.

The whole thing sucked, and I never got one once of an apology or anything. Now, imagine planning on cashing out your Kaymer winnings but you wait a few days because someone was intervening with Tony and trying to help me out. The answer was DENIED! By that time the next PGA event started and I rolled over the Kaymer money and lost it. I would have cashed out in all other scenarios, including Bubba winning, or not getting cheated on the Watney play.

If you can imagine living through that and keeping it to yourself for the rest of your life then I have a bridge to sell you (I accept cash only).

It is only fair to warn people that you can put through a GRUESOME situation with this Tony guy. It ain't right.

[BigDaddy]

why doesn't Justin or another SBR person make a comment in this thread?

it would be nice to see them say something.

[Optional]

Betting max on the line twice proves you knew it was a very good price, however much you deny having any clue.

But 5D staff not noticing it proves it wasn't blatantly obvious as a bad line too.

You refusing to admit it was a good price and going so quickly into all your many justification arguments in that chat suggests you had anticipated the problem though.

The end result seems fair to me, and you've got a half pound of flesh by showing how rude Tony is.

You can call that a win I think?

[wtf]

beware, dont know where you live but you need to get on an exchange, you could have traded out and made a nice chuck of change on all of those positions

[boeing power]

Betting max on the line twice proves you knew it was a very good price, however much you deny having any clue.

But 5D staff not noticing it proves it wasn't blatantly obvious as a bad line too.

You refusing to admit it was a good price and going so quickly into all your many justification arguments in that chat suggests you had anticipated the problem though.

The end result seems fair to me, and you've got a half pound of flesh by showing how rude Tony is.

You can call that a win I think?

how the hell is it fair? 5dimes book is a bloody crook and should be downgraded to F for stealing this guys money, sbr will not help becuse guess who pays the light bills around here

[Glitch]

someone already said it several pages ago- how did it get adjusted from 20-1 to 15-1 to 10-1 insteada straight down to +200. (not sure if this is what happened or not)

I know nick watney because i watch a lotta golf. but if he was a bad or unknown player- a top 20 finish is not anywhere close to a slam dunk in such a big field.

OP- You messed up when he was asking you what you think a fair price is- you shoulda told him +550 or somethin and answered his questions.

this is getting to be too much. 5d has lotsa standout good things but too many bad things you dont deal with elsewhere. SBR rating shouldnt be based on who pays what for advertising space. all these problems at least take away the + from A+ but im thinking more like B+ or status is appropriate.

ps. total bases should mean total bases.

[BChrisB]

OP- You messed up when he was asking you what you think a fair price is- you shoulda told him +550 or somethin and answered his questions.

Any answer he would have given (other the the prices he bet them at) that Tony would have used against him.

So Tony's game was .. if he said a lower price, he'd turn around and say, "so you knew the number was a bad line, if not than why are you telling me a lower price now." .. Or something to that extent. BewareOf5dimes did the right thing (not many would) by keeping mouth shut. Tony was trying to trap him in his own game, it didn't work. Why the hell you think he said on the chat so long?

[LVHerbie]

If you hit a 20-1 that was suppose to be 2-1 then 5dimes is well within their rights to change it... While they were very likely freerolling you (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they only realized their mistake once the mistaken "long shot" was likely to hit) this is why one needs to make sure if they see a line that seems too good to be true they verify it... Why I don't necessarily agree with the rule (I believe in Vegas, for example, that once you have the ticket in hand they can't change it) but it is pretty standard offshores and something you should be constantly aware of (especially if you are looking for value in obscure props)...

Regardless after Tony started his antics I would have just told him to **** off and pulled my money out... The guy is clearly a classless asshole but you said you already were aware of that before you posted up there....

The other option would have been (as others have suggested) to ask for a better adjustment as any future bet at 3-1 is going to be far from the "fair market price"... I don't know anything about golf but my hunch is that the 55th golfer (I read the thread last night and don't want to go through it again to make sure I got that number right) in the world should much longer then 3-1 true odds with the steep juice on both props and futures... On the hand "fair market price" is actually a pretty vague term and (given that Tony has a stick clearly very high up his ass) I sure you can't expect a favorable ruling when your unchosen arbitrator is a self proclaimed god...

Personally I would work that angle and file a complaint with SBR... This thread isn't going do any good as jerking off Tony's ego is (apparently) way more important to 5dimes then making a good impression with current and future players...


I'm also curious how many other future bets you maxed out multiple times on as all the your other "crazy future bet" examples were for significantly less... If this was your only max hit on them it would look even more like you were taking a shot because your perceived a bad line...

[BChrisB]

So how does he bet max bet twice on a prop days in advance, and "God" doesn't notice it nor does the line ever get corrected. So here's this "God" who now according to another thread here who temporarily suspends peoples accounts for hitting the refresh button too fast. Yet two max bets on a golf prop goes right under his nose? So he knows if your hitting buttons too fast yet not if your betting max on his board(s.)

So you let the line go, collect two apparently easy max bets from client because the odds are in your favor that some obscure not heard of golfer will not make it in the money. Yet, here is Watney in the money on the last day of the tourney and then all of the sudden your "bad" line is noticed and you pull the rug right out from under the feet of the client?

So which is it?

This Tony guy is a complete moron so dumb that these moves go right over his head and past him? Yet he's quite capable of knowing who clicking his sites refresh button too fast?

or

This Tony guy knows damn well what he's doing and likes to throw out bs lines as bait as if he's casting his line in the ocean looking for those fish to bite, but when he reels in his catch only to find out it's a shark, he just simply cuts the line before it's too late and he gets bitten?

No matter what way you look at it... Book is the one shooting

[chico2663]

i just don't know.

[BChrisB]

i just don't know.

LOL, that might just be the post of the day

But for some reason this thread is really racking my brain. Why?

i just don't know either

[Optional]

how the hell is it fair? 5dimes book is a bloody crook and should be downgraded to F for stealing this guys money, sbr will not help becuse guess who pays the light bills around here

Well he got paid at what seems like market value for the bet, based on the only comparison we have, from betfair.

It appears he still has an account there with no other penalty if he wants it.

And if he asks for all those bets he says he wants cancelled to be refunded and his account closed, I wouldn't be surprised if 5D say yes.

I call that a win compared to what we all know could happen.

As far as SBR, maybe you're right, but I've seen other forums where a negative thread about a paying advertiser like this would be deleted in minutes. So I think you're jumping to conclusions too fast as to why there has been no comment.

I don't want to be treated like he was, so won't be funding 5D anytime soon, but the vitriol about 5D cheating people is a bit silly. He got a fair deal based on the facts in this thread, even if it was coated in rudeness.

[bauerranch]

This scares me if this is allowed. I just moved my money from Oddsmaker ( have not received) to 5 Dimes. I am waiting over 3 weeks from Oddsmaker to get my money
Obama needs to legalize sports betting and our goverment can keep the juice and lower our taxes.

[wtf]

This Tony guy knows damn well what he's doing and likes to throw out bs lines as bait as if he's casting his line in the ocean looking for those fish to bite, but when he reels in his catch only to find out it's a shark, he just simply cuts the line before it's too late and he gets bitten?

No matter what way you look at it... Book is the one shooting


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[floridagolfer]

You bet a bad line and they adjusted it. Whoopie. Happens all the time. So if I log onto 5dimes tomorrow and they have Miami Heat at 30-1 to win the East, I should be able to bet what i want on it and get away with it??

Yes, you should, because the book has had two months to get the line right (or however long it's been since the Heat made their free agent signings) and, for whatever reason, it hasn't done it. If the book is THIS stupid, it deserves whatever problems its own incompetence generates.

[Sam Odom]

Tony can be Manic at times.

[blackbeSSt]

[jordan_gt_99]

that's why you don't take shots because if you do they freeroll you

[jpessene]

find a runner in vegas, all these online books are crooks

[h3da]

Lol I work for an Australian bookie and the way it works is.. If we place bad lines we must honour it.. We had ppl placing melbourne storm 200-1 of getting wooden spoon in nrl just few days of inside news and we still honoured the bets! If bookies make mistakes then the customer should receive every cent that they are owed.. Not bullshit "oops we made the mistake so too bad we can change it"..that's just load of shit to be honest.. I hope u get ur money mate

[HedgeHog]

Tony obviously has his own set of rules. BTW, I had the "pleasure" of talking to Tony after betting a generous nascar prop. Apparently it was too generous in his opinion. Instead of deleting it and sending an email, I had to call talk to him personally to get my account re-opened. He was a total ass of course.

[polskboy]

im still waiting for sbr johns,jjgold,lue, comment.

[Smoke]

i've had a different problem with 5dimes and have no longer played there although i think they deleted my account.

my password was changed without my permission and somebody tried to request a moneybookers payout from my account but luckily moneybookers is not an option for U.S players.

basically my account was hacked into there, has never happend at any of the other 10+ books i have an account at.. when i told 5dimes my story they were clueless and didn't believe me. I had an account with them for 4 years and had used the same password everyday until i tried to log in and it didn't work.. 5dimes are not what they used to be i believe they should be downgraded. major security issues there

[BetterBizness]

That's why you never bet a bad line. It's a no-win scenario. For the record, Tony didn't take a shot, because he readjusted the odds. If he had taken a shot he would have canceled the wager. That's what low rated books do. Big difference.

The only question is if the line was bad or not. The line histories (winner, top 5, top 10, top 20 placements) can easily determine that.

It is good to see a fresh new crop of clueless players.

Clueless players that WON'T play at 5D...

Even though you're trying to be the balance in the argument... to which you have a point under normal circumstances (books make bad lines)... Shari makes the clearest case out of anyone... The line was hung, and it just kept hanging... Until it was time to pay...

As far I closed my account... I was thinking of betting them for NFL, but really... why? Nothing about this thread inspires confidence in an offshore book, A+ or not (WSEX was one of my favorite books as well for a long time.. uhhh)...

And so far, the only real question I have left is, Why SBR and some of the people that should be defending themselves aren't putting in their 2 cents yet...

For all intense and purposes... All you backers/shills for 5D are right... OP, and the majority are wrong... Tony's Chat is the fairest, and most informative customer service exposition of a Books decision in the history of Internet forums...

They STILL just lost tens of Thousands of Dollars from people closing their accounts, now and in the future based on perception and reaction to the situation...

That's 99% of the problem in Forums, and always has been... People pick sides to be "right"... and they will defend their position to the depths of the earth...

Granted OP puts in a little too much effort, and is actually defeating alot of his own momentum by incessant name calling, and responding to nearly every post in his favour... But so far the tale of the tape... OP is "winning" the PR battle... How long that will be, I'm not sure... But as mentioned, most people who were casual 5D betters won't bet there any longer... and doubtful they will tell their friends to bet there...

[sideloaded]

They were leaving that line live to get sucker bets, then when they thought it was going to hit called in the "human error" card F_ck off 5dimes, burn in hell.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

Ok....since nobody disputed my story, then there is nothing else to say. I understand there are two sides to every story and that you should not take a shot on obviously bad lines. This line was a good line for me, so I bet it. If I thought it was an obviously bad line then I wouldn't have bet it, since I know Tony won't pay.

As far as the max bet thing......I don't know that 250 is max bet........I have 250 on a Super Bowl future and 250 on a College Future. If that is coincidence it really doesn't matter anyways. If I thought that 20-1 should have been 2-1, then then they adjuste to 15-1 then I guess that should be 1.5-1? I didn't bet anymore at 10-1, either. Why not bet at 10-1 if you think the line should be 2-1?

Either way, the point of this thread was not extortion to get paid. I already was DENIED. The point is to tell the story. Each poster can get a feel and a vibe for what happened.

All I know is that when I couldn't log into my account on the last day of the tourney I was shocked and I called a good friend about it huffing and puffing about being cheated. I am either the greatest actor in the world or I in good faith believed the play was good.

The point is, that even if they intended to put up 2-1, the facts tell the story, and if the player is going to be treated like I did in these situations then other bettors have the right to now.

Since nobody has offered an ounce of denial as to my story, I am going to call this the final post. I laid everything out there in the thread, and there is nothing more to add. Good luck this season. Tony deserved the insults, but maybe this is his way of warning others not to bet lines that look too favorable. He has a right to do that since it is his business. I am sure people will think twice about betting any props that aren't stone cold losers in their mind.

Thanks for listening. I will not post again about this matter.

[donkdown]

Tony fixed my problem.. Bro u took a shot 100% quit the bitching!!

[frostno98]

Wow unreal, no Moderator has yet to chime in!

[venice2222]

5dimes sucks when you win big. Use the greek or betfair.

[antifoil]

if you really want help from a forum go over to the rx they help people all the time and since it has become apparent you aren't getting help from here because they are in 5dimes pocket.

has sbr lost all creditability as a reputable review website or what? now it is just a forum as far as i am concerned.

[sideloaded]

* crickets * I guess that answers a lot of my questions about 5dimes and this site. They are in bed together.

[EaglesPhan36]

Contact a mod, it's not their job to be involved in every thread here or read through 9 pages of shit. I'm sure one of them would look into if asked.

[nobs]

I'm surprised to see players upset over this. It is the risk you take playing props. I've taken a few shots before and they always get canceled.

Your behavior of flaming in a public forum is not respectable, and neither is your behavior in your chats with Tony. He kept asking you what you think the odds should've been and you never answered. The answer was 2/1 and you knew it and you took a shot. You should not be surprised to get it canceled.

5Dimes will continue to be a good shop. Most complaints I've read on this forum are laughable.

But I have seen lines that are crazy high at many books like 5 dimes.

Like something that is almost guaranteed to win being priced at -99999 when it should be maybe -20000. If you figure its a sure thing and bet it at -99999 and it loses, there will be no price adjustment.

Even if you prove that betfair was running that play at -20000 five dimes would laugh in your face if you asked them to change the odds after it lost.

[nobs]

sounds like you knew it was a bad line

I think this just further shows the integrity of 5 dimes.

Amazing how many "usernames" who pretty much never make any posts are popping up in this thread to support 5 dimes. LOL. Its obvious these are all usernames of 5 dimes.

[nobs]

You bet a bad line and they adjusted it. Whoopie. Happens all the time. So if I log onto 5dimes tomorrow and they have Miami Heat at 30-1 to win the East, I should be able to bet what i want on it and get away with it??

Yeah and if after you bet it they lower it to 25/1, then they lower it the next day to 22/1 then they lower it the next week to 17/1, then your play stands as pending until next year when the Heat are up 3 games to nothing in the eastern conference finals and they call you and say bad line, you will fell the same way the OP does.

If you are going to make an analogy, be fair with it. What I said is what happened, what you said is not the whole story of what happened