Be careful playing with 5Dimes

[Flight]

I'm surprised to see players upset over this. It is the risk you take playing props. I've taken a few shots before and they always get canceled.

Your behavior of flaming in a public forum is not respectable, and neither is your behavior in your chats with Tony. He kept asking you what you think the odds should've been and you never answered. The answer was 2/1 and you knew it and you took a shot. You should not be surprised to get it canceled.

5Dimes will continue to be a good shop. Most complaints I've read on this forum are laughable.

[Balco10]

SBR must support 5 Dimes or why would they have their advertising all over this site and give them an A+ rating.

[Flight]

Dark Horse and Durito are the only ones talking good sense in this thread.

"Automatic 20 cent line moves on a limit bet for a small market!?!" Unheard of! LOL

[polskboy]

I'm surprised to see players upset over this. It is the risk you take playing props. I've taken a few shots before and they always get canceled. Your behavior of flaming in a public forum is not respectable, and neither is your behavior in your chats with Tony. He kept asking you what you think the odds should've been and you never answered. The answer was 2/1 and you knew it and you took a shot. You should not be surprised to get it canceled. 5Dimes will continue to be a good shop. Most complaints I've read on this forum are laughable.

you are laughable what you talking about "taking shots" ????? its clear to me that in this case book took a shot at the player by informing him about bad line on the last day of the turny.

[BChrisB]

Your behavior of flaming in a public forum is not respectable, and neither is your behavior in your chats with Tony. He kept asking you what you think the odds should've been and you never answered.

He did nothing wrong. He was attacked before he even had a chance to speak or even know what the issue was at hand. If I was accused like that before an explanation, I wouldn't have been as polite as BewareOf5dimes was. I wouldn't have answered his question either for the simple reason that I'm not supposed to know what the line is supposed to be, I'm supposed to place a wager on a line that I think is favorable to the money I'm laying down.

Common tactic in debate, the one who asks the most questions controls the conversation. BewareOf5dimes did an excellent job of not letting this Tony guy control the conversation. I applaud him for that.

[shari91]

Dark Horse and Durito are the only ones talking good sense in this thread.

"Automatic 20 cent line moves on a limit bet for a small market!?!" Unheard of! LOL

Where are the 20 cent line moves? 20-1 down to 15-1 down to 10-1. It makes me wonder why people bother posting in a thread when their comments clearly show they haven't even read it but are very quick to belittle those who have.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

I'm surprised to see players upset over this. It is the risk you take playing props. I've taken a few shots before and they always get canceled.

Your behavior of flaming in a public forum is not respectable, and neither is your behavior in your chats with Tony. He kept asking you what you think the odds should've been and you never answered. The answer was 2/1 and you knew it and you took a shot. You should not be surprised to get it canceled.

5Dimes will continue to be a good shop. Most complaints I've read on this forum are laughable.

Get a clue. What do you think the odds should of been? I don't make the lines, I play them. Part of looking at props is to find a good line. I liked the Watney line, so I bet it. What do you think the odds are that Tiger wins a major next year? Let me know. All I know is that if the line looks like a good line to bet I play it. It was not a bad line.

Nobody else has Top 20 for golf as far as I know. Apparently Bet Fair did.....a whopping 4.5K bet in the whole world on top 20 for the PGA. I made over 100 plays on the PGA.

What are the odds that if Watney missed the cut I would have been contacted? Those odds are zero....those are the odds I know.

Ask 25 bookmakers right now what the odds should be on Nick Watney to finish in the top 20 in the PGA last month. Maybe two or three will even have a clue what you are talking about. Just because idiot Tony puts up top 20 numbers and nobody else does, does not mean that even Bookmakers could tell you what the line should be. All I know is that I followed golf for about three weeks and I noticed the Watney guy from the previous week. I figured it was worth a bet.

Watney missed the cut the previous two years in the PGA. What are the odds that he finished tied for 18th after being up 3 heading into the final round? That might have only happened once or twice before in a major...ever.

The point is that it was NOT an obviously bad line. Penn State minus 12 at Alabama today is an Obviously bad line.

You guys are missing the whole point. Very few people in the sports world, or even the sportsbooking world would have a clue what the right line should be. I know it is over 2-1. 20-1 seemed good.....15-1 seemed good.....but I didn''t play it at 10-1.

The Watney guy played his final round like it should have been 50-1. Nobody has ever heard of this guy, no matter what his ranking is. Just like Oosthazen was 450-1 to win the British Open. I bet $10 on him and won the bet. He was ranked about 50th in the world.

I got good value on that play, don't you think? But that was not a bad line....and they paid it. That is the line they had to put up to get people to bet Oosthazen. I bet his true odds to win were close to 45-1, being that he won a EURO event this year before the British. 450-1 is 10 times more than 45 -1, which is a greater difference than my Watney bet at 20-1 and 15-1 would be against 2 or 3-1.

Understand?

[terpkeg]

I just dont understand the attitude of veteran bettors who side with the book on the "taking shots" issue. You know how many "shots" have been taken that turned out to be clear losers and the book walked away with the money.

What would have happened if this play was a loser at the cut? OP would have been out his money and nothing would have been said.

Where is the accountability? And I am not just talking about 5dimes in this specific instance. I am talking about the offshore industry. In what kind of business do you get a free pass for your mistakes? How about, dont make mistakes. The best businesses dont make many mistakes. You are in the business of setting lines, if you **** it up then you should live with the consequences.

I can see if there is a typo, or computer issue and a -1, was -10 and it was corrected quickly. But, I dont believe that was the case here, i dont think 5d meant to put this out at +200. If a book cannot manage all of the lines they post, then they should not offer them.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

Dark Horse and Durito are the only ones talking good sense in this thread.

"Automatic 20 cent line moves on a limit bet for a small market!?!" Unheard of! LOL

I bet 250 and then 250 again later. If that is max bet he is max grunt. The bets were made on Tuesday. The PGA started on Thursday.

The last odds I saw was on Tuesday at 10-1....never checked again. If the odds at Tee Off on Thursday were 2-1 then they definitely took a shot at me because they would have known of my plays.

If the odds were 10-1 at Tee Off then it is not an obviously bad line, since it is obvious nobody else bet it but me. Fair bet on my end all the way through. Whatever happened on their end is their problem, not mine.

Yes, it is their problem. They lost my business and they will lose other business because of how this played out. So, no matter how you slice it, a majority of people who actually bet feel that they are in the wrong.

They they will vote with their feet. If Tony insists on always being right in every single situation because he controls the money, then he will get no more money.

Easy system. All I did was tell the story. People can see what happened.

[terpkeg]

Ask 25 bookmakers right now what the odds should be on Nick Watney to finish in the top 20 in the PGA last month. Maybe two or three will even have a clue what you are talking about. Just because idiot Tony puts up top 20 numbers and nobody else does, does not mean that even Bookmakers could tell you what the line should be. All I know is that I followed golf for about three weeks and I noticed the Watney guy from the previous week. I figured it was worth a bet.

Watney missed the cut the previous two years in the PGA. What are the odds that he finished tied for 18th after being up 3 heading into the final round? That might have only happened once or twice before in a major...ever.

The point is that it was NOT an obviously bad line. Penn State minus 12 at Alabama today is an Obviously bad line.

You guys are missing the whole point. Very few people in the sports world, or even the sportsbooking world would have a clue what the right line should be. I know it is over 2-1. 20-1 seemed good.....15-1 seemed good.....but I didn''t play it at 10-1.

The Watney guy played his final round like it should have been 50-1. Nobody has ever heard of this guy, no matter what his ranking is. Just like Oosthazen was 450-1 to win the British Open. I bet $10 on him and won the bet. He was ranked about 50th in the world.

I got good value on that play, don't you think? But that was not a bad line....and they paid it. That is the line they had to put up to get people to bet Oosthazen. I bet his true odds to win were close to 45-1, being that he won a EURO event this year before the British. 450-1 is 10 times more than 45 -1, which is a greater difference than my Watney bet at 20-1 and 15-1 would be against 2 or 3-1.

Understand?

Couldnt agree more with this.

[JNic]

wow this is pretty messed up. lol too bad they have some sick tennis lines

[polskboy]

so what if they sick if they not going to pay you ??

[loyd]

Get a clue. What do you think the odds should of been?

did you check the odds of that event with other books before placing the bet? if an event is +200 at dimes and -300 at pinnacle, diamonds, betjam and everywhere else so its a clear mistake and you expect them not to honor.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

What some people don't realize is that the props are listed in separate sections. So, you would have one section to win, one for top 5, one for top 20, one for matchups, etc.....even one for first round leader. You end up scrolling a ton of plays....it is not like they have Watney listed for the win, and right next to it is top 5 and top 20 options.

In a few tournaments last month they had odds on players to win without Tiger Woods. Which means, if Woods wins and you run second you still win the bet. They were separate betting propositions on the scroll.

Now, a few longshot players had odds of 150-1 or so to win, but they were 175-1 or so to win without Woods. That means that if you bet them to win without Woods you actually get better odds than if you bet with Woods, and you had one less player to worry about.

The reason those odds were different is because thos no name players don't get a lot of action, and each set of props is adjusted according to who is betting what. A few of those longshot players slipped through the cracks because nobody was betting them.....those were NOT bad lines. I even saw it once or twice on 30-1 and 40-1 shots........guy was 30-1 to win and 35-1 to win without Woods.....because that was what people were betting.....and they adjusted the odds as the bets came in.

[BewareOf5Dimes]

did you check the odds of that event with other books before placing the bet? if an event is +200 at dimes and -300 at pinnacle, diamonds, betjam and everywhere else so its a clear mistake and you expect them not to honor.

I don't think many people offer it. The only one I have heard of is BetFair and they took 4.5K on Watney Top 20, I think.

If one book lists a horse in the Kentucky Derby future bet at 80-1 and another lists it at a lot less (or more) which one is the bad line?

This happens all the time in everything except the major sports. There is not an obvious bad line for Watney to finish in the top 20 to more than a few people in the world. There are major differences and that does not make the line bad. In this case, nobody else that I know of had odds. If they did then I did not know about it, and it wouldn't matter anyways. 200-1 would be a bad line....not 20-1 adjusted down to 15-1, then 10-1....two days before the event.

If it is bad then they knew about it in advance and took a shot at me.

[BChrisB]

What some people don't realize is that the props are listed in separate sections. So, you would have one section to win, one for top 5, one for top 20, one for matchups, etc.....even one for first round leader. You end up scrolling a ton of plays....it is not like they have Watney listed for the win, and right next to it is top 5 and top 20 options.

This was something I kept forgetting to bring up. Glad you did. There's no side by side comparison in these props.

[Jonah]

Dark Horse = Douche Ex Machina

[rhinkoll]

5dimes very solid bookmaker
no problem with 5dimes, depositing and withdrawing
one of the best, imo

[polskboy]

5dimes very solid bookmaker no problem with 5dimes, depositing and withdrawing one of the best, imo

another ghost.

[austin]

a fair opinion by sbr would be good here...

[boeing power]

i will never deposit with 5 dimes after reading this thread, fukem

[jgilmartin]

Implied probabilities:
+2000 (Your initial bet): 4.76%
+1000 (The number it got bet down to): 9.09%
+230 (Best odds at Betfair): 30.3%

Doesn't it seem unlikely to you that the people wagering on this at Betfair would be this far off in their estimation of a fair price?

[nyplayer33]

i remember ESB paid me on a bad line..clinton/dole election..then again they are out of business/were scammers...im very happy books exist that my money is safe. As i said before, 5dimes used his right to correct a bad line...

[Dark Horse]

This was something I kept forgetting to bring up. Glad you did. There's no side by side comparison in these props.

lol Great point.

God forbid that people would figure out they could open more than one window.

[floridagolfer]

If a book doesn't have enough business sense to hire someone to double-check that posted odds of 425-to-1 are really supposed to be 2-to-1, that's their problem, not mine. There's one foolproof method of not having to deal with erroneous lines and that's to not have them posted in the first place.

[BChrisB]

lol Great point.

God forbid that people would figure out they could open more than one window.

Why do some of you act as if it is the responsibility of the bettor to have to check and validate the legitimacy of any line? It's not, nor it should be. It's a wise move on the bettor's part, but it is in no way an obligation or a requirement." Furthermore, what about the book (in this case 5dimes?) They are the ones who displayed complete incompetence in controlling and monitoring their own lines, has a GM who has the tenacity to be verbally abusive to a depositing and playing customer over an ordeal in which "his people" messed up on. So what does that say about him as a GM? He can't even keep his own lines straight? So some of you are out there to defend a book who posts a bad line, can't notice it through 2 adjustments, let's this line go into the tourny, then only brings it up when the play is in the money?

Maybe if some of you had some brains, you might possibly see what really "may" or "may not" be happening. I'm here to think that Tony isn't so stupid after all. "Lets move things up to his level of thinking," as he so put it the posted chat. Is Tony really that stupid? He's probably some social path who lacks all empathy and he likes the movies "Scarface" and "Oceans Eleven," because in his twisted mind he is that, "Tony." So I'm sure he watches every line and when an inaccuracy comes up (whether placed intentionally or erroneously) he already knows about it, he likes to let things sit there and stay just to see where things go with them. Because he knows if the bet (which is a long shot to begin with) doesn't come in the money, he collects. Now if the bet comes near the money, he has the power to negate it.

He's definitely a twisted social path. Read the chat. Here is how I read into it:

So here is this Tony (who by the way probably has a Napoleon complex on top of it all) who has the tenacity to jump all over someone and accuse someone of taking shots, while he knows the entire time he set up the shot(s) to begin with. He gets off on this, people who don't have power complexes don't act this way. You see what Tony was really trying to do was feed off of power. His plan (actually it's more serious, it's his engraved mindset) to get the customer to answer his questions so then in turn he would take that info supplied by the customer and use it against the customer (in this case, eric, or BewareOf5dimes.) This is why he was so fixated on his question. Though his tactic is a pathetic one, it's an effective one. You see, people with power complexes like to control things (very self-explanatory,) and one way to control conversations is to keep you adversary in check by being the one who asks and controls the questions. One of the posters here said, "the only thing he was so surprised about was how long Tony stayed in chat." Well, the answer lies in the fact that BewareOf5dimes wasn't playing into his trap. People who like control can't handle this. So Tony was relentless, he probably would have stayed in chat for another hour or until he got his question answered. It was probably killing him that BewareOf5dimes wasn't falling prey (you see people like Tony, like to think of themselves as predators, and all others as prey, or sheep for that matter.) So when Tony wasn't controlling the conversation, he himself didn't know what to do other than the only thing he knows how to do, and that is to get control. It's all real sick actually. So all Tony could do is go with his question, it's all he had, and he didn't stop until he had it. It had nothing to do with fairness, nor had it anything to do with business etiquette or problem solving, it was all about control. The real sick thing about it all is (now this is speculation here, because I really don't know this as a matter of fact) I can almost guarantee that Tony knew about this posted bad line days earlier, but people like him (who are so absorbed in their own power) like to play God with these things. So I'm sure Tony let the line go and collected money on this line playing the odds himself that the bet(s) wouldn't cash. However, he likes to hold trump cards in his pocket (5Dimes T&C's) knowing damn well he can always fall back on them if by chance these bets that go with these prop lines come in or near the money.

I've spent a lot of time in this thread, reason is, I really don't like people with the likes of Tony. It was clear as day to me when I read the posted chat. I saw right through it.

I don't know.. maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm looking too deep into it, but it's what I see and how I see it. I'm not saying I'm 100% correct in my words, but I'd lay good odds on me being pretty damn close to the facts here.

[chico2663]

sounds like you knew it was a bad line

[xstud]

After this long thread wouldn't it be easier to just file a complaint and give it a day or 2? I mean with any books obviously there are risks but I think in this case let SBR talk to Tony and see if something can be done. The whole forum has heard the Tony stories and we have heard yours. When you continue to post you will have the same haters and same supporters. If you continue to unleash on the message boards the liklihood will further decrease at you getting anything more than you already received. Just my 2 cents

[OmgUrMom]

wow i won't play with them after reading this. I mean wow, if the line was adjusted to 15 to 1, how can they say the line was bad at 20 to 1? they made two mistakes? and then a third when only adjusting it to 10 to 1?

it makes no sense and does not add up. Sounds like Tony is cheat and liar.

[scott235]

Why defend any book?.....if you don't get it that it's us against them by now, wtf! Sure give a book a compliment now and again for good service and easy payouts but always remember that THE BOOKIE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND

It is really disturbing to see the same posters over and over and over and over defend certain books NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION.

Support any true exchange. We need more of them.

[brxbmbers42]

Why defend any book?.....if you don't get it that it's us against them by now, wtf! Sure give a book a compliment now and again for good service and easy payouts but always remember that THE BOOKIE IS NOT YOUR FRIEND

It is really disturbing to see the same posters over and over and over and over defend certain books NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION.

Support any true exchange. We need more of them.

totally agree. makes you think all the defenders are 5dimes employees or shills. why would any player defend what they did. and where are jj and the sbr guys on this one. i dont get it. no input from them on this issue?

[dtp]

5dimes has always been pretty solid to me.

[stc9357]

**** 5 dimes won a little over 3,500 in 2 days and they wouldn't pay me!

[TobiasFunke]

**** 5 dimes won a little over 3,500 in 2 days and they wouldn't pay me!

Care to elaborate on that?

[polskboy]

jjgold where are you on this one????lets go get your ass in gear.