BetEd owes me 19k, says they will pay 1k.

[Dumb_lucK]

I know I keep saying this, but after all you guys speak your opinions on certain things, can you let me know if you think betED should have paid?

Do you even read what you write in your previous posts? You openly admit to someone opening the account making the first few wagers and then you took it over and made the rest of the wagers. No doubt a shot at the book in which you got caught.

I think they should pay, even if someone did give me help on the plays.

Again, read your previous posts.

I seriously hope JJ makes a video about this whole posting.. it would be quite interesting.. JJ What's say you??

[4FUN.AND$$]

The book should ahve made some sort of payout if a playerbeat their lines. SGC lied but also beat the lines so she should receive some payment. I do ont know the rules for gambling with advice from others but it is a mute point becasue it is not a policy that can be policed. A policy that can't be policed as a whole shold not exist unles it is an avenue for the book to avoid payment and then avoid the book. They should define "professional" or get out of the business becasue that is a reason not to pay at their discression. SBR as usual spent a lot of time on a person that is not truthful which means someone truly in need might not have gotten the attention they needed so not only shold SGC get paid a small amount but she should then pay SBR for thier time she wasted. A comprmise would be that the book pay SBR 10k for their time and effort to clear everyone's name and get to the truth. Thanks Dozer and BBD for sticking in there for a liar who unfortunatley deserves some compensation IMO. Good luck to all in your upcoming wagers and let us hope people use this forum correctly moving forward.

[Dark Horse]

I don't think you can get help from people not allowed to play at the book, that would defeat the purpose if banning countries and limiting/booting individual players. I don't think I would get sympathy from SBR if I give a girl all the plays at a book where my limits were cut.

Runners go with the territory. Would you really back a Vegas casino if it refused to pay someone placing bets for Billy Walters?

The problem here is that the girl lied from the start and will say anything. Her credibility is shot beyond repair.

But just based on principle, this type of reasoning would open the door to refusing to pay anyone following Dr Bob's plays, to name one example. And then only when he's on a winning streak...

Anyway, where it comes to Costa Rica I wouldn't play at any books unless they were A+ or A. The main reason BetEd looked good here was that the girl looked so bad.

[atakdog]

...There was no way to keep the lie going (of course I would have lied if I knew it would have secured the 18k, maybe you guys would not have)...

No, I wouldn't have. I'm not total slime.

...Obviously he set it up, knew what was going on, and then let me have it once it was run up.

But in a later post you admit you had help, implying that even after the account was "yours" you were placing the bets your accomplice told you to place. In other words, even now, you’re trying to deceive us. Shame on you.

...You people who posted positive things about betED and negative about me, for sure aided in me not getting paid. (might have been intent, not sure)

It wasn't my intent, and I doubt it's true, but if I had even a tiny part in denying an admitted liar and cheat the opportunity both to profit from her cheating and to use SBR to do it, then I'm proud of that.

... Maybe it is wrong to have someone else sign up the account

Um, yeah. You're telling us that after going "over and over" the BetED rules, you didn't find that one? Right.

...I did lie, and that was stupid, but 18k is 18k, and I would have done the same thing again, if I thought it would get me my money.

Yep, 18k is 18k. Even having been caught, you have no remorse and admit that you would lie again if it were profitable enough. Also, I'm sure you have no remorse regarding your attempt to use SBR to help you, even though that obviously devalues SBR for other, legitimately harmed users. Your lies weren't just to the forum, but to SBR itself, including a forged passport. Lovely. You got treated a lot better than you deserved.

You ask later whether, had you been honest, we think you should be paid. No. You broke the rules when you allowed someone to sign up in your name. You also broke the rules when you allowed someone from a prohibited country to place many bets. We fight constantly against books that try to take advantage of intentionally gray provisions in their rules; your violation of these is clear. You cheated. You should lose completely.

As for what actually happened, with the intentional deception to the very end: I would love to think that you're not imparting to your daughter the twisted sense of morality you've evinced hereon, but I suppose that would be too much to hope for.

Go, and never return.

[increasedodds]

Almost never do I agree with a book, but in this case, I absolutely agree that the player should not be paid.

I could care less about Beted's rules. The player here should not be paid for being an idiot.

If you are gonna scam, do it well. In this day and age it is not tough.

I do believe Beted should block Costa Rican IPs if they do not want that action going forward.

I will say a long time ago when I played at Beded, I won a good deal and they paid me promptly without a problem. I stopped playing there due to the limits offered, but had no complaints.

-Sean

[atakdog]

I try to go back and think about how that happened, but I guess when you lie no one can look past that.

Maybe you should remember that the next time you contemplate being dishonest. Maybe everyone should. If an appeal to morality won't persuade you to be honest, perhaps knowledge of how others view it will. No, I don't mean that as a practical matter it's more costly to lie than you might think (though it is) -- that argument still approves lying when you're sure you can get away with it. No, I mean maybe you should consider that, if no one can look past the lying, maybe that's evidence that most people -- even the gamblers hereon, who obviously are not, collectively, paragons of virtue -- view dishonesty as morally unacceptable.

But I doubt you'll get it. You epitomize the deleterious effects of our collective obsession with material gain; you won't change those despicable spots.

Good luck in the future. Or I suppose I should say, good luck to those who have the ill fortune to have to deal with you.

[Dark Horse]

Question. If a US player wanted to play at Pinnacle (not allowed), and found some family member in Europe who was willing to create an account and place the bets provided by the player, would that account be valid or not?

If yes, next question.

The US player himself created the account, from the US, under the other person's name, with the European address etc. The bets are still placed from Europe. Would that account be valid?

My point is that all books want action. If the US player can get around the US law and play through a European at Pinnacle, why would Pinnacle care? More action is good for them.

The girl lied, and deserves no respect, but the underlying dynamic remains that these bets provided the book with action. If the book balanced that action, then the book made money; regardless of who won the bets and who lost the bets...

And that brings us full circle to that 'professional action' label. Mentioned, at first glance out of context, by BetEd in his initial post. And later clarified by him.

Based on that clarification, I believe the bets that were placed from the US should be honored.

I would love to have a look at BetEd's books to see how many accounts they have that are opened in Costa Rica. If they truly had a major problem with those accounts, their software would immediately detect them.

[Al Masters]

atakdog, a little harsh on her no? perhaps we should just lock her up.

I happen to agree with your bottom line and have myself, throughout this thread stated what a joke her story was,how she has lost all credibility,teased her about trick or treating, and flat out believe she's a liar/schemer, and should not be paid.

I do however in my opinion think you were to harsh with her in reading her the riot act. We all know she lies and cheats, she admited it, ok so her morals are sub standard (agreed).

She can't seem to conform to the rules of right conduct.

However ugly you think her whole act is and however much you have disdain for her morals, no need to bring up her daughter or name calling(im not total scum, implying she is).

"good luck to those who have the ill fortune to have to deal with you". not very classy on your part IMO.

She still is after all a mother of a little girl, albeit,one who made poor decisions and seems to have low moral standards.

IMO were better off hoping she learnt a little something here,and will change her ways.

She's proved herself to be a liar and a snake and a cheat and able to tell long tales all in the hope of financial gain, but guess what she's not all that unique , as many gamblers have lied or cheated or decieved to get money to get in action.

If you so despise her act and are so offended to the point of name calling ,whereas you think she epitomizes the deleterious
effects of our obsession with material gain, perhaps you should check out JJGOLDS LATEST VIDEO.

In the vid he knows he has to lie to have his best shot at getting the loan, so he becomes a real estate man and along with a friend, they take this plan of action, scheming and lieing to get over on someone(the bank mgr).

I dare you to go over to that thread containing the vid and call him names and read him the riot act as you did her.

[LGBoots]

Question. If a US player wanted to play at Pinnacle (not allowed), and found some family member in Europe who was willing to create an account and place the bets provided by the player, would that account be valid or not?

If yes, next question.

The US player himself created the account, from the US, under the other person's name, with the European address etc. The bets are still placed from Europe. Would that account be valid?

My point is that all books want action. If the US player can get around the US law and play through a European at Pinnacle, why would Pinnacle care? More action is good for them.

The girl lied, and deserves no respect, but the underlying dynamic remains that these bets provided the book with action. If the book balanced that action, then the book made money; regardless of who won the bets and who lost the bets...

And that brings us full circle to that 'professional action' label. Mentioned, at first glance out of context, by BetEd in his initial post. And later clarified by him.

Based on that clarification, I believe the bets that were placed from the US should be honored.

I would love to have a look at BetEd's books to see how many accounts they have that are opened in Costa Rica. If they truly had a major problem with those accounts, their software would immediately detect them.

I agree with you Dark Horse that the US bets should be honored.

Even though SGC lied about details of 'her' account the fact remains that the bets won.

It seems to me (For reasons I don't really understand) that BetEd are seemingly walking away with a lot of credit in this matter when really all they have done is saved themselves from paying out $18k

[operaman]

SGC is not a woman (>1%) . This whole thread has the quality of some type of con. I guess this is the reason SBs make money. As P.T. Barnum didn't say; There's a sucker born every day.

10% Things are as they appear at this time and some of the respected posters couldn't see through the obvious lies because they lost objectivity. (Even though they appear to be very smart otherwise.)

20% Things are as they appear at this time and some of the respected posters have similar biz setups and were supporting their side of the industry.

45% BETED and SBR were working together in a publicity stunt. (Folowing the money is almost always the best choice.)

20% Respected poster(s) were Blackmailing BETED. They were the ones "owed" money.

5% SBR was blackmailing BETED and the court of public opinion didn't work.


What is interesting about this thread is not what SGC/OZ had to say, it was what many of the regular posters and mods had to say. Go back and read their posts now that the light of day has shone on the case. Look at the absolute and polarizing comments of some. This is the real read.

But what do i know, i'm just a EVIL CLOWN

p.s. The odds of me ever being offered a job at sbr after this post >1%

[bigboydan]

Go back and read their posts now that the light of day has shone on the case. Look at the absolute and polarizing comments of some. This is the real read.

It's probably the thread of the year IMO.

[SexyGamblerChick]

I could care less about Beted's rules. The player here should not be paid for being an idiot.

If you are gonna scam, do it well. In this day and age it is not tough.-Sean

Hard for me to argue with this. One thing I am happy about and you all can goto hell and enjoy that betED flat out STOLE my 18K!!. Dozer & EVERYONE should know TOP BOOK WOULD HAVE PAID!!

Everyone's says I scamed, but what advatange did I have betting from Costa Rica? Next time we will not use that IP, so who gives a shit ?? This is all stupid, and half you guys are sore that I could win that much, and you all blow everyday.

PS. UCLA, Nebraksa, A&M, Wisky, Illinois, Maryland & Okie St were my 7 plays my buddy gave me today so I think karma came back to give me some money back!!

[bigboydan]

Next time we will not use that IP, so who gives a shit ??

Interesting comment there I must say.

[SexyGamblerChick]

This will be my ONLY free plays of the year, play them if you like money, if not lose every week like you know you do anyways:

#207 Jax (+4.5)
#212 Miami (+2.5)
#213 Clevland (+10)
#215 St Louis (+10)
#219 Philly (+2.5)
#228 Giants (+1.5)
#230 Arizona (-1.5)
#232 San Diego (+3.5)

no more free ones boyz....I will still end up with the $$ in the run, and betED and you guys can all keep jerking each off until u get a clue...and betED please keep those idiotic lines, dont think I wont be back to rape you for more money, and now I know how to get paid (or at least how you claim you pay)

SexyGamblerChick signing off.......

[Dark Horse]

Methinks one of the SGC's has a dick, but the other has not.

[SBR Lou]

and betED and you guys can all keep jerking each off until u get a clue...and betED please keep those idiotic lines, dont think I wont be back to rape you for more money

Must be that time of the month.

[20Four7]

Let's get this straight. He/she is not a scammer and next time they won't use that IP. That account has obviously been banned from beted but they'll be back. It looks like she's setting herself up for another attempt to get at the book.

I hope her partnership with who ever in CR fails as it's players like this that make it hard for legit players who win to get paid.

I"m not sure if a top book would have paid out anything but they may have. Certainly the account would have been closed. I just have no use for players who lie and cheat then have the balls to claim they were the ones cheated. It was only when she couldn't provide the documentation (after apparently trying to forge some) that she came clean. Not exactly the type of player you bring home to mom.

[Santo]

Out of curiosity, can one of the mods check whether the SGC posts all came from the same IP?

[Dumb_lucK]

Out of curiosity, can one of the mods check whether the SGC posts all came from the same IP?

Clever! Good idea.. I second this request!

[20Four7]

Out of curiosity, can one of the mods check whether the SGC posts all came from the same IP?

LOL you know if they didn't, some would have come from home, some from work, some well on vacation to detroit and costa rica. I think that really doesn't matter much except to the dude in Costa Rica that was behind the whole SGC.

[chano]

What good will this info do, I mean, we all know that there will probably multiple IP's , probably from diff countries. So what.. This is totally over..

[Santo]

No good, just satisfy my curiosity.

[increasedodds]

If you play at Pinnacle and Pinnacle suspects you are U.S. based, they will ask for documentation showing otherwise. If you can not provide what they want, you will be shown the door and sent your balance promptly (To your non US address) Happened to a friend.

Sean

[atakdog]

...I will still end up with the $$ in the run, and betED and you guys can all keep jerking each off until u get a clue...and betED please keep those idiotic lines, dont think I wont be back to rape you for more money, and now I know how to get paid (or at least how you claim you pay)

So those who supported this (fill in expletive; I can think of some choice ones I'd like to use), even those who said I was too hard on her -- now you see her for what she is. Caught in the lies, she defiantly vows to go forward and cheat again. I wasn't too hard on her, I gave it to her easy. Arrogant, dishonest, and fully willing to harm others (BetED, of course, but they're in the business; no, I mean us [by devaluing SBR's influence]). There is no good in her; the world would be far better off if she'd been hit by a bus while trick-or-treating.

I don't believe in hell, but this sort of thing makes me wish...

[Santo]

That's why I was interested in the IP's. I suspect that the last post was written by the guy in CR responsible, but would be interested to know if the prior ones were as well.

[noyb]

So those who supported this (fill in expletive; I can think of some choice ones I'd like to use), even those who said I was too hard on her -- now you see her for what she is. Caught in the lies, she defiantly vows to go forward and cheat again. I wasn't too hard on her, I gave it to her easy. Arrogant, dishonest, and fully willing to harm others (BetED, of course, but they're in the business; no, I mean us [by devaluing SBR's influence]). There is no good in her; the world would be far better off if she'd been hit by a bus while trick-or-treating.

I don't believe in hell, but this sort of thing makes me wish...

wow, you are really taking this way too personally.. with this kind of language you're just making a complete fool of yourself.
i would suggest you refrain from any further moralistic bullshit as it adds nothing at all to this topic, other then look bad on your character.

[atakdog]

wow, you are really taking this way too personally.. with this kind of language you're just making a complete fool of yourself.
i would suggest you refrain from any further moralistic bullshit as it adds nothing at all to this topic, other then look bad on your character.

Yes, dear. You're right, morality has nothing to do with the topics discussed in this thread. My comments thereon definitely "look bad on" my character, and clearly I am a fool.

Your suggestion is duly noted. I hope you'll be able to handle its being ignored.

[noyb]

I hope you'll be able to handle its being ignored.

sure, no problem dear. just tried showing you it's perhaps a tiny little bit excessive wishing a self-claimed mother you have never met to be killed by a bus and to burn in hell, because of a case you have no direct involvement in whatsoever.

[SBR Lou]

sure, no problem dear. just tried showing you it's perhaps a tiny little bit excessive wishing a self-claimed mother you have never met to be killed by a bus and to burn in hell, because of a case you have no direct involvement in whatsoever.

Some of his remarks were a little too colorful, but his assessment of her character was spot on. I don't think too many of us expected her to come back promising to cheat more and laughing at us after her little "apology" - one which hilariously generated some sympathy.

[SexyGamblerChick]

Morals ???

You guys really are idiots. Listen to these MORALS

YOU POST UP THE MONEY OR BET ON CREDIT

BOOKIE MAKES THE LINES

YOU BET, IF YOU LOSE YOU PAY, IF YOU WIN YOU COLLECT

too simple for you guys??? those are the rules, who gives a shit about anything else....should not matter, and a TOP BOOK WOULD PAY because that is what happened, I posted and WON, but betED stiffed, and that is why they will get what they have coming when my friend hooks up other accounts.

I dont even care if I make a buck, will just love that betED is gonna go through hell.

[SBR Lou]

They aren't going through hell, they've never been a top book. Thanks for declaring the obvious, no one declared them to be a Pinny did they? Your act is tired, move along with the next scam on them as you seemed so giddy to.

[SexyGamblerChick]

Scam ?

I dont want to scam, that is my whole point. Of course, I want to bet betED's lines. they probably had +3.5 or +4 on Miami, one of my games (see above) which would have been a winner.

I just want to bet, I went 4-0-1 as above. I put Miami +2.5, but anyone looking at lines, knows it was +3 earlier.

My friend is smart, and you guys are right, I dont know shit about football. But how many people out there just went 4-0-1 ??

We will see on the last 3, but even if they all lose, I will still win on the day.....ur right, I will stop this nonsense, you guys all post up with betED and enjoy it when they dont pay you.

Wont be so funny then, will it ?

[Stumpage]

I don't think too many of us expected her to come back promising to cheat more and laughing at us after her little "apology" - one which hilariously generated some sympathy.

Very, very sharp point. I find that incredible to believe, myself...Never have I felt so pleased that somebody (She, he, hermaphidite, whatever) was "cheated" out of their money as I am with regards to this pathetic meat sack. Can't wait to read about the next failure, and the renewed pleas for assistance...

"....(sob) They owe me $15,000, and they just won't pay us, er, I mean me...(sniff)...I'd write more, but I have to take my son out Christmas shopping now. It'll be tough to buy a toy for him, and even tougher for him to enjoy it, seeing as he has no arms and all (Sob)....."

[Dark Horse]

Some of you are confusing dislike for someone who lied with the fact that the winnings were not paid because of a technicality. Namely, that the account was created in the wrong country. That is the entirety of the transgression. Not a very big deal. Isn't it at least somewhat ironic that US players, who according to US law aren't even allowed to bet online, have no problem whatsoever with CR law?

The player lied. And it was important to find that out. But that is not the essence of the case. Nor is an angry reaction (from I suppose the CR player) after the book reclaimed 18K. This is about money. Not morality. The CR player certainly didn't steal anything (and actually deserves respect from fellow bettors for beating the lines consistently). It is dogmatic to see only black or white, good or evil. Many nuances are missed by those who take that easy way out. If BetEd doesn't pay for the bets that were placed from the US, there's not a doubt in my mind that they as well took the easy -and cheap- way out.

[HedgeHog]

Scam ?

I dont want to scam, that is my whole point. Of course, I want to bet betED's lines. they probably had +3.5 or +4 on Miami, one of my games (see above) which would have been a winner.

I just want to bet, I went 4-0-1 as above. I put Miami +2.5, but anyone looking at lines, knows it was +3 earlier.

My friend is smart, and you guys are right, I dont know shit about football. But how many people out there just went 4-0-1 ??

We will see on the last 3, but even if they all lose, I will still win on the day.....ur right, I will stop this nonsense, you guys all post up with betED and enjoy it when they dont pay you.

Wont be so funny then, will it ?

You have balls for posting those great picks before kickoff, but then again your balls were never in question. Hope your bets were made outside CR; because I can't can't handle another sob story.