This reallly might have been a complete set up from Bet Ed. The reason I say this is because,......... Where is SCG now. You figure he or she would at least come on here and tell us to fo F *** oursleves given the result. I dont buy it...............yet..
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Other than the free exposure, not much upside for B.E. They get to keep about 18k in profits that were illegal only by location (not obvious bad lines abused by a shot taker). Beted doesn't look good here either; just the lesser of two evils.Comment -
Beted looks like shit , basically what they are saying is we will lay you action and if you lose we will take your money, if you win we "may" pay you if you can satisfy are continuously changing terms, and we will look for a reason not to pay you.
I can walk into about 15,000 bookmakers in the UK, make an anonymous bet in cash on 100's of markets, and be sure to get paid, they are real bookmakers.Comment -
I agree there are some questions surrounding their practices. I just don't think we can form too much of an opinion about them though.
All we know is what occurred. From having an open conversation with the board, allowing Bill to arbitrate and agreeing to stand by his ruling, they've been fair. We certainly can't knock them for how they handled this particular matter.
The only thing we can do is hope that in the future, they've improved their software to where things like this do not happen again.Comment -
But what? The compiler sets the odds, the company manages the book , if a bookie is taking out of line prices (which I suspect beted was in this case) then its not the punters problem, the book need to get faster at moving the price (line) , I have no sympathy with shit book's that get caught out, its the nature of the game.
Lose and they take the money, win and they look for a reason not to pay.Comment -
When I originally posted, to be honest I never thought I would get a dollar back. I was angry, upset, frustrated and pissed off. I wanted to do anything to make them look bad. I had no idea that anyone was going to come to bat for me. I thought it was a done deal and wanted people to know that they were scum.
I suppose I can say that I learned a lot through this whole thing, though obviously it was not worth 18k. (betED finally emailed me the balance which was $17,920 not paid, almost makes me want to cry to look at that #) When Dozer called it seemed like he was willing to fight for me and he explained a top book would have paid regardless if I bet from Costa Rica, the States, China, or the moon, unless they had specifically stated this prior. (By the way, I think they should add Costa Rica to restricted countries list on SBR on betED)
There was no way to keep the lie going (of course I would have lied if I knew it would have secured the 18k, maybe you guys would not have) so I came clean with Dozer. Obviously I wish that I had said this on the original post. I am not a liar by nature, but in my attempt to make them look bad I thought it sounded better. Someone else set up the account in Costa Rica and bet there the first 3 days. The rest of the wagers can all be traced to my home IP adress or places I was staying in the states. (Also, for one weekend u will see all bets coming from one place, not mulitple bets from many diff locations in one day to show that only I was playing once I took over the account)
Obviously he set it up, knew what was going on, and then let me have it once it was run up. Now, I dont expect anyone to believe a word that I say the rest of the time (I am sure you guys will like cutting that sentance out to "quote") but that is what happened.
You guys should know that betED took this forum so seriously. Once I posted their attidute changed 100% and worked with me. Also, the posts about people thinking betED looked better because of this just blows my mind, but some people must really believe that, and betED read these posts over & over I can promise you that. You people who posted positive things about betED and negative about me, for sure aided in me not getting paid. (might have been intent, not sure)
As for me being a "scammer" or "pro" open your eyes. Would a pro have bet from a Costa Rican IP adress in a sportsbook? Would a pro not called for the bonus? Also, people act like I was suppose to win, and I STOLE the money like I had inside information or something. I looked at the line, if the line (looked at pinny, but all the same) was +3 and betED had +4 I would take the dog. It did not take rocket science, and it just happeneded they all came in, and 1k turned into 19k.
I have control on the outcome of the games, and even with 1pt advatage the first two games were bet for $500 each and could have lost 0-2 for sure, and everyone knows that. betED would have been paid, they were on 100% freeroll here. betED was gonna make $1000 or they were gonna break even, that is how it turned out the minute a bet was made from Costa Rica. Now maybe since the bets were made there, this is how it is suppose to be, but I promise u the real pros would never run into this obvious mistake.
I was ignoring people throughout trying to stay focused on Dozer & betED and hoping to get my money. If people have questions (or at this point even still care) I will be willing to answer them. I have no more money stake in this. I am not getting paid. To be honest, I think very few of the games even came close to the lines, so I wish to God I would have gone on this run elsewhere, but I am sure i would not have had the same plays in the same way. Probably never go on that run again in my life.
betED should pay. I think they look way worse in this situation. I looked over and over their rules, until I was blue in the face. Maybe it is wrong to have someone else sign up the account, but I can already tell you they checked that IP adress for other betED accounts and found none. I am sure they checked my IP adress for betED accounts and found none. My friend put it in my name to try to help me make some money. Maybe what I did is wrong somehow, but I dont get it. I did lie, and that was stupid, but 18k is 18k, and I would have done the same thing again, if I thought it would get me my money.
To think I could have got away with it was stupid indeed, but like I said, I guess I am really not a pro at all.Comment -
I wish you would have been this honest from the beginning; you would have had much more support. Beted's win gives me no satisfaction, despite how outspoken I was against the presentation of your case.Comment -
I should have been honest, you are right. But do you really think it would have mattered and would I have got a buck?Comment -
So you want to come off as sincere, apologize for lying to us in the first place, then go making statements like this..
How are you putting blame on anyone but yourself? Maybe if you came here with the intention of being truthful, you may have salvaged some of the winnings from bets placed in the States. You came here wanting it all, and only when you knew you could not keep the ruse going longer you confessed to Bill.
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And now the rest of the story.................please........Comment -
I came in here, like I said trying to bash betED. I am just saying that betED didn't pay because they felt they had little to lose in not doing so, some of which had to do with this forum.
At no time did they ever try to do the right thing.
At no time did I try to do the right thing either. I just tried to get my money as well, so I guess what can I say.
Just stating the facts.
I dont really give a shit how I come across now. I really dont even know why I am posting. Maybe if I keep this up, I wont have to face the reality that I just gambled and won 18k and am getting jack for it.Comment -
Chano, what do u want to know?
You have had fun bashing me on this, like you are Detective of the year for figuring out the obvious.
You think still think betED should keep my money, right?Comment -
Here's a question..
What was the balance when you "took over" the account?Comment -
Then had you presented the truth from the start, I would have argued that you should have received a pro-rata amount, which would probably be about $3k (Based on bets being about 1/6th of actual, as if you started with your $1k deposit rather than the $6k).Comment -
Not sure how you come up with these figures. When this account was started I would never in a million years think this could have come up. Obviously I am ignorant of how this all works.
The thing is, this should be a warning to people who will have something they are not thinking of either come up in the future.
I dont know how many times in vegas a friend would go make a bet for me, and no one ever said anything.
Bottom line is I didn't lose anything I guess, so I suppose I should be happy, but this will sting for a while regardless.
I had that 18k spent in my head, not to mention I thought this winning steak was not going to end anytime soon. I thought I might take this balance to the sky.Comment -
You turned this whole thread into a question about your integrity. Similar to taking the stand in a trial and be caught in one lie after another. Who's going to believe a word you say after that? If you wanted your money, and had a case, of course you should have been honest.Comment -
Your right Dark Horse.
I try to go back and think about how that happened, but I guess when you lie no one can look past that. I was just so focused on if I should get the money in my mind, I was hoping people would look at it the same way.
Even in the posts now, people focus on me (I am sure my name, the pink, all that didn't help) instead of the matter at hand.Comment -
The name and color certainly didn't help you. If you did give beted and SBR a forged document then you deserve jack. If you came here truthfully I think Bill Dozer would have gone to bat for you right to the end.
You are the second person coming on here to try and make a book look bad (gary something or other was the other one with lazer) and in the end only you looked bad.
You can't get caught up in anything if you come clean from the beginning. This episode certainly won't make me get a beted account but it won't ever stop me either should I want one. I think beted will be looking at their procedures soon and improve to prevent this situation from happening again.
All in all SGC if you came clean right from the beginning I think you may have gotten some coin out of it, not 18K but certainly a pro rated value.Comment -
Still a guy writing these last few posts ... still pretending to be the female whose name the account is registered under.Comment -
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Uh, no Halifax. I am sure no one has to believe a word I say, but it is me.
Dozer called me, and now everyone has all my information, so I am sure it would take 1 second to show all these post come from my home IP.
I thought the pink was cute, I guess really was stupid, but started with it and didn't quit.
I dont care if I looked stupid, I only cared if I got the money.
Dozer said a top book would have paid, and everyone wants to keep talking about me, but a top book would have paid, so I guess at least they are not a top book. Am I wrong?Comment -
Hey chicky, at what point did you think that story would pass a forum full of: Sharpies,Sophisticated gamblers,bonus whores,degenerates,
Wise Guys, thieves,liars,hustlers,moderaters,cons,f ormer cons,etc etc?
You must of had a complete mental lapse when you made your 1st post.
Your agenda it seemed was not only to get the 18k, but also tear apart beted.(understandable)
You should of also been thinking of how to get posters here on your side,not against you,as stated by previous posters,you should of been more honest with us.it couldn't have hurt you, only helped.
I guess you had back to back nights of trick or treating
Oct 31 you and your daughter went out and got treats.
Nov 1st you went trick or treating on the S.B.R forum,didnt get the treats (18k) however you did try and trick the forumLast edited by Al Masters; 11-09-07, 11:13 PM.Comment -
Well done Bill, well done BetEd.Comment -
I went trick or treating, so what ? You got kids, u would have also? I guess I shouldn't have mentioned it, christ.
You are right about the posters being on my side being important.
That was a major part in betED's decision for sure.Comment -
I do believe you're a woman, but I don't think you know diddly-squat about football betting. The account was signed up by a pro in Costa Rica (26 bets, according to Beted, were placed from there). In all likelihood the same player gave you the remaining plays, that you placed from Minnesota. Unless we had two very sharp players, but in that case you would certainly have been able to create your own account from the US. Not that it matters now. You can get your plays any way you want. But I guess there's all sorts of layers about being truthful.
The intriguing part is who the CR player is.
In any case, if public opinion on this forum played a role in the final outcome (which I doubt), then a more truthful presentation could perhaps have gotten you paid for the bets placed from the US. Because it is nobody's business where you got those plays. You focused on the wrong issue by denying the CR connection. If we're looking past your lies, then it might make sense to award you your winnings, starting with the original balance of 1000, for the bets placed from the US. Assuming my analysis is correct, I think BetEd should pay that money.
A top book, as Bill said, would have paid the entire amount and kicked you out. I don't see why a B book couldn't meet you half way. On this side of the border, that is.Last edited by Dark Horse; 11-10-07, 12:29 AM.Comment -
My guess is it's an employee at another book, maybe someone on stage or involved at another level beyond just being a clerk. They do this all the time. I remember the year Vick broke his leg in preseason, the guys at Rio were watching the game and hammered the Falcons season over/under wins before the boys at Cascade changed it. Might have been the other way but that was the two books involved, huge thread over at the RX about it. My point is it's not uncommon at all for books (or their employees) to show each other up or take advantage of each other if they can. Guys at a sharp book who know what they are doing lick their lips when they see soft or slow moving lines just like everyone else. They create accounts (knowing they aren't supposed to) in their sister, mother, cousin or anyone else's name they know back here in the USA. If they run it up or get questioned when trying to get their money then they have the people put in some bets back in the USA and the game is on. That might have been what happened here, once they ran into problems cashing out they had SGC do that in hopes of trying to convince us she made the bets on vacation in CR and deserved to get paid.
Some don't but I actually believe SGC is a woman, they just told her what to post. I knew she had never been to Costa Rica, knew nothing about sports or a Pinnacle lean, she was just the name a boyfriend, brother or whatever used to sign up an account through. She was probably promised a piece of the winnings if she could pull it off. Just a guess, I have no way of knowing for sure but no surprise here if the player behind this is an employee of another CR book.Comment -
Probably.
A shadowy area of the business, but as long as players place bets from the US I don't think it should matter where the plays originated. The book is responsible for its lines.
I guess it comes down to that definition of 'professional action'.
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Ok, I am not going to deny that I had help.
I think it is obvouis this was not done all the time, because the "pros" would have known not to use the Costa Rican IP and would have asked for the bonus.
I know I keep saying this, but after all you guys speak your opinions on certain things, can you let me know if you think betED should have paid?
I think they should pay, even if someone did give me help on the plays.Comment -
I don't think you can get help from people not allowed to play at the book, that would defeat the purpose if banning countries and limiting/booting individual players. I don't think I would get sympathy from SBR if I give a girl all the plays at a book where my limits were cut.Comment -
Based on your original story you posted... No I don't think so.
Maybe somebody else will answer your question, but I won't. The reason I won't answer that question is because I'm not going to give you another shot at working another angle against another book sometime in the future.Comment
