BetEd owes me 19k, says they will pay 1k.

[20Four7]

If you send in all the info that Mr.Dozer has requested, and it does indeed checks out to be all true. Then yes... I think you deserve to be paid what your owed.

Finally we are getting somewhere. Not that it matters but I agree 100% with BBD. If Bill Dozer says you should get paid then beted should pay. If mr Dozers says your a scamming bastard, well we know the outcome of that.

[OldZig]

I disagree with Dark Horse, I think she came here for help and has gotten slammed because her story is stupid. It is stupid but that makes it no less true. Thus far I haven't heard any moderator say "If you produce this information then BetED should pay you and we've talked to them and they have agreed to do so." So I think she's holding out to hear someone say that before giving the information and then getting another excuse. IMHO.

[HedgeHog]

3 facts I know to be true:

1) Zig, a CR resident, knows too much about this thread.
2) SexyGamblingChick has proven to be a liar (and is likely male)
3) Curious is an easy mark who will believe anything you tell him. Especially true if you're female (or pretend to be) and can type in pink. Hope you don't learn the "hard" way buddy. If so, you could always change your handle to Bi-Curious.

[Dark Horse]

In this case I would ask for notarized copies of everything. Too easy to photoshop.

[pokernut9999]

Should not be long before PETA gets involved here.

[OldZig]

I think she should provide a signed birth certificates for her child and possibly a pregnancy test conducted in Canada. Then get those notarized by a blind tibetan monk.

[Dark Horse]

Don't forget a signed pink slip for curious.

[SBR Lou]

I think we should ask for signed birth certificates for her child and possibly a pregnancy test conducted in Canada. Then get those notarized by a blind tibetan monk.

I don't get the humor. The documents Bill requested would go a long way toward substantiating her claims, at which point she is likely to get paid. There's been nothing excessive about it, what's excessive is your continued support of her in your 28 posts here in this thread which was made one day before you registered.

[noyb]

Hedgehog, i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "knows too much about this thread", but your point with regards to suspicious posters who seem overly interested in this topic/case, and only want to see one side of the picture, can not only be made about Oldzig, but also about yourself.

[OldZig]

I don't get the humor. The documents Bill requested would go a long way toward substantiating her claims, at which point she is likely to get paid. There's been nothing excessive about it, what's excessive is your continued support of her in your 28 posts here in this thread which was made one day before you registered.

I was poking at Dark Horse, about the notarization. I've already said I feel that the documentation requested is fair. And to be fair of those 28 posts (your count, I have no idea) I would say I was fighting with Hedgehog in 10

[Dark Horse]

I do hope we will find out more about the alleged other sportsbook' (Cascade?). La otra mujer would make it so much juicier.

[HedgeHog]

Hedgehog, i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "knows too much about this thread", but your point with regards to suspicious posters who seem overly interested in this topic/case, and only want to see one side of the picture, can not only be made about Oldzig, but also about yourself.

What would you like to know? I live half the year in Chicago and the other half in Jacksonville (FL). I back the bettor nearly every time, but not here. I have no monetary interest in this, but I admit I am fully captivated.

My point is that SGC and OldZig just started posting in the past few days--and on this thread almost solely. They both have ties to CR and the Book involved is from CR.
And you have to admit there are some inconsistencies in "her" story. Makes no difference to me if this Fraud collects, but I reserve the right to weigh in.

[bigboydan]

Thus far I haven't heard any moderator say "If you produce this information then BetED should pay you

Let me make it as clear as I can to you sir. If she sends in all the documentation that Mr.Dozer has requested, and it all checks out to be all legit. Then yes... I feel she should be paid in full.

I don't think anyone here would say that is an unreasonable request in regards to getting this lady paid her funds. I'm trying to be as fair and impartial as I possibly can be in this thread without getting caught up in all the sideshow type drama.

[dwaechte]

I disagree with Dark Horse, I think she came here for help and has gotten slammed because her story is stupid. It is stupid but that makes it no less true. Thus far I haven't heard any moderator say "If you produce this information then BetED should pay you and we've talked to them and they have agreed to do so." So I think she's holding out to hear someone say that before giving the information and then getting another excuse. IMHO.

Wow... just wow.

For a statement like this to be made on the 8th page of this thread is embarassing. You should be embarassed by yourself OldZig.

You have been arguing and arguing and arguing for this player. And then... it turns out you haven't been reading the thread.

It has been made clear for quite some time now that BetEd is letting SBR be the arbitrators in this case. They will abide by whatever decision SBR makes. This post makes you seem as if you are unaware of this

You're also supporting a player who has consistently taken shots at BETED for not answering her questions about why this and that was needed, when once again, it was clear at that point that SBR was handling the case and all questions really could've been directed to them as far as why THEY feel they need certain information.

And finally, I have lost track of the amount of times that BBD has posted saying that if she sends in the information proving she traveled to CR, he would most likely support her and move to have BetEd pay up. I know he has said it atleast 3 or 4 times.

Learn to read before you post please, it would go a long way to making this thread readable and purposeful.

[Bill Dozer]

I disagree with Dark Horse, I think she came here for help and has gotten slammed because her story is stupid. It is stupid but that makes it no less true. Thus far I haven't heard any moderator say "If you produce this information then BetED should pay you and we've talked to them and they have agreed to do so." So I think she's holding out to hear someone say that before giving the information and then getting another excuse. IMHO.

This has been established at the beginning of the thread and in private conversation. She offered to provide anything and a number of the things subsequently requested could do the trick. Thus far, she won't even say in what hotel/coffeehouse/home she placed the bets in.

[Bill Dozer]

I have been in contact with BetEd since they have shut my account down. They have NOT answered why they need any information other than my ID to prove I am not Costa Rican in any email. Also, they will NOT confirm the balance on my account when my account was shut down.

The only contact I have got from Dozer is to "sent the required documents". Which I am going to assume is what betED asked for. They have asked for my passport copy and the passport stamp showing I was in Costa Rica.

betED now knows that my mom sent the funds in my name to their sportsbook. They have told me this is "against their rules". They know that I bet in my fiend's office which is "against their rules." I am sure that I didn't send everything they asked for plus pint of blood when they asked within an hour it would be "against some new rules"

I will be sending my ID and a piece of mail to show that I live where I say I did on the adress I signed up for originally on betED. I will also let them call the phone # I signed up for on betED which will show that is correct. This shows that I am an American and proves all their rules.

Another piece of information that I did not think about at the time, was that orginally I called up asking for a withdraw through Western Union on the 21st of October. They stalled on this over & over and now I think I know why. They were pushing SO HARD to get my checking account information to withdraw. I believe at the time they were looking for something fishy going on thinking I could not produce more & more information. They orginally had told me they could give me $3000/week max withdrawal per their rules. The lady then said because of the large amount in my account if I gave her the checking account information it could be upped to $4500/week. As soon as I gave my checking account information and they were ready for the withdrawal, withing a couple hours my account was shut off. With all the emotion and things going on, I forgot this and it got lost in the shuffle. I would invite SBR or betED to look into this and respond.

Now, from what I understand, if they can say I lied then they dont have to pay me, I dont know what to do now. My mom did send the funds and say she was me. Nothing I can do about that. I did bet lines that were "off" in my mind, nothing I can do about that. Basically I find this to be a game that they are going down a line to prove whatever they can to the general community until I dont pass their tests.

Now, they read this forum, and they think they have found a way not to pay in saying I was not in the country, and this will satisfy everyone. I then asked them on the first email to confirm that if I sent out my passport with the stamp showing I was in Costa Rica at the times that were stated would they release said funds? They did not reply because the answer is "no". They will then focus on my Mom sending funds or where in Costa Rica I made the bets. I have also asked over and over for them to call me so can talk on the phone and deal with this. Also, I know in this day an age, no matter what I send out there will be people out their claiming it is fake.

I would like a reason from betED if I send our my ID & mail confirming home adress, why I cannot be paid? If they have any other reasons, then I think is is bull, and basically they can say to anyone at anytime they can withhold funds if they feel like it.

I dont know if 3 guys are going to show up at my door threatening me. I dont know who betED is, or who is behind them. To send them additional personal information does not sound appealing. This is why I have been avoiding this in all previous posts. Like I said before even though no one believes me, the world of ONLINE gambling is new to me.

However, we are talking about a lot of money, and if betED tells me they will pay for sure then I will send out a copy of my passport and the stamp and you can check with Costa Rican immigration. I will tell you the building that I was in. I will tell you the flight I took. This is all personal information and BS for me to show it, but for 20k, I will do what I have to do, but I know that once I show everything, then they will just talk about how I am a "professional" (nice sounding term until you find out it costs you 20k) or that I lied saying I deposited the funds when it was my mother.

Everyone, say what you want, if I show my ID & home mailing adress, and they dont pay me, I think that gives the 1000+ people who have viewed this thread a lot of reason not to post up with them.

I have sent you multiple emails and clearly stated what is needed in this thread.

Player requests mediation from SBR and offers "everything." BetEd agrees to abide by our decision. SBR states that Ed rules are grey and if players will provide SBR, not betED, with basic info suggesting she was in CR SBR then that is enough and we will find in favor of player.

This should be over by now.

[louis]

Send Bill Dozer the information

Sexygambler chick, send Bill Doser the information he is asking for.

I am not going to support you any more if you can not do the simple steps SBR is asking.

These guys have really going through a lot of effort to help you, taking up a lot of their time, spending hours and hours reading posts and talking to Bet Ed.

At some point you have to do your share of cooperation. They are not asking for much.

[chano]

Give him some time, It takes more than a few days to make fake ID's up and receipts. You guys should know that.

[20Four7]

Let me make it as clear as I can to you sir. If she sends in all the documentation that Mr.Dozer has requested, and it all checks out to be all legit. Then yes... I feel she should be paid in full.

I don't think anyone here would say that is an unreasonable request in regards to getting this lady paid her funds. I'm trying to be as fair and impartial as I possibly can be in this thread without getting caught up in all the sideshow type drama.

Wow BBD, when did you become a Mod? I think Ziggy needs some glasses.

[atakdog]

I'm confused. (S)he had aleady photoshopped residency documents, but not those that proved a trip to Costa Rica? This requirement isn't new -- that has been an obvious part of the story from post number 1. It's just weird: if you want to scam a five figure sum, shouldn't you do your homework beforehand?

Incidentally, I'm with Hedgehog and others -- I'm essentially always on the player's side. I think bonus whoring is fine, professional players shouldn't have to declare themselves, and yadda yadda. But if a player violates not only a (fairly unclear) book rule but also Costa Rican law in placing bets by proxy from the US, then I'm not on that person's side.

SGC, fess up or come up with the documents. You are making legitimately screwed players look bad. You are hurting all of us.

[OldZig]

Wow... just wow.

For a statement like this to be made on the 8th page of this thread is embarassing. You should be embarassed by yourself OldZig.

You have been arguing and arguing and arguing for this player. And then... it turns out you haven't been reading the thread.

It has been made clear for quite some time now that BetEd is letting SBR be the arbitrators in this case. They will abide by whatever decision SBR makes. This post makes you seem as if you are unaware of this

You're also supporting a player who has consistently taken shots at BETED for not answering her questions about why this and that was needed, when once again, it was clear at that point that SBR was handling the case and all questions really could've been directed to them as far as why THEY feel they need certain information.

And finally, I have lost track of the amount of times that BBD has posted saying that if she sends in the information proving she traveled to CR, he would most likely support her and move to have BetEd pay up. I know he has said it atleast 3 or 4 times.

Learn to read before you post please, it would go a long way to making this thread readable and purposeful.

I'm simply looking at what she wrote. And from what it looks like BetED hasn't said that yet. And from some of the other peoples statements hear it doesn't sound that way either. Sounds like they left themselves 100 ways to get out of it even if she sent all that stuff. But if BetED said that if Bill supported her claim they would pay then fine. I haven't seen that specifically stated here though until Bill did it in his most recent post. Thanks Bill!

[OldZig]

Ok, this thread has gotten super old by now. This is my last post on it. SGC should produce the documentation (as I have said for the last few pages) and let SBR work on it. Sounds like BetED has agreed to abide by SBR's decision which is fair. Good luck to the right party!

[HedgeHog]

Zig: Here is BetEd's response and agreement to arbitration:

11-04-2007, 09:27 PM #181 (permalink)
betED
SBR Rookie


Join Date: 11-02-07
Posts: 1

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In order to maintain an open dialog with the SportsbookReview community in regards to the SGC matter, we wish to offer further information in this matter. We have been in close contact with this player, and have adhered to all suggestions by SBR staff, and hope for a speedy, amicable resolution, regardless of the outcome. All of the following information has been made available to Bill Dozer, and the player has been made aware of all of these concerns.

* While conducting a standard payout review, we found the account had been opened in Costa Rica and the first 26 bets, not 7, were placed from an IP from within the country over the course of 3 days. Unfortunately, blocking all Costa Rican IP's is not an option as our local personnel need to be able to operate and use the site. Comprehensive fraud checking happens on withdrawal, or upon deposit with fraud-prone methods such as credit card and ACH, but not Western Union. Our terms and conditions, and Costa Rican law, prohibit us from accepting betting accounts and wagers originating from Costa Rica.

* Additionally, the IP address in question is allocated to an online sportsbook company. We are obviously concerned with the possibility that this account was opened on behalf of someone else, which is also a violation of our terms. Professional betting is also against our terms, as we are recreationally-focussed.

* The name on Western Union receipt, sent from the US, is identical to the player's. The player claimed to be in Costa Rica at this time.

* After speaking with Bill Dozer, he agreed to arbitrate the issue. Bill Dozer asked the player for documentation to support her claim at approximately 12:00PM on Friday 11/2. No documentation has yet been received. Once it is received, we will verify its authenticity with Costa Rican Immigration.

If our suspiscion is simply a misinterpretation of the evidence, and the SBR staff feels that everything checks out, we will apologize profusely for the extreme inconvenience to this player.

This is obviously a contentious issue, and we appreciate everyone's understanding while it is resolved as fairly as possible

[OldZig]

Thanks Hedge, sounds like they'll do the right thing if SGC can provide the information. Last post now really!

[bigboydan]

SGC should produce the documentation (as I have said for the last few pages) and let SBR work on it. Sounds like BetED has agreed to abide by SBR's decision which is fair. Good luck to the right party!

I thought that was implied way back on like page one when she was asked too.

[Dark Horse]

So this comes down to the right hotel in CR?

Hilarious.

[Dark Horse]

Then again, someone may already have zigzagged his way there.

[bigboydan]

So this comes down to the right hotel in CR?

I'm still waiting for her info to be sent DH. After she sends it then we will go from there.

[4FUN.AND$$]

this forum has spent a fair amount of time on this. Can we set a deadline and let this fade away ? SBR has offered great support and I hate to see their time wasted in case someone truly needs their time. If I was owed ~20k you would have had everything you needed in 15 minutes including me on a plane if that helped. Thanks for your continued support SBR.

[chano]

this forum has spent a fair amount of time on this. Can we set a deadline and let this fade away ? SBR has offered great support and I hate to see their time wasted in case someone truly needs their time. If I was owed ~20k you would have had everything you needed in 15 minutes including me on a plane if that helped. Thanks for your continued support SBR.

exactly. Stop wasting our time SGC.

[bigboydan]

this forum has spent a fair amount of time on this. Can we set a deadline and let this fade away ?

I feel that Friday is more than ample time to obtain and produce all of the documentation that Mr.Dozer and myself have requested from her.

[Dark Horse]

Just read over the thread. I'm not buying the pink story, at all, but hadn't picked this up before. So to be fair:

* Additionally, the IP address in question is allocated to an online sportsbook company. We are obviously concerned with the possibility that this account was opened on behalf of someone else, which is also a violation of our terms. Professional betting is also against our terms, as we are recreationally-focussed.

That may be so, but that could never be a reason not to pay someone. Merely to not accept further bets. The fact that you include it in an argument over payment is somewhat disturbing.

What exactly in your view is professional betting? You yourself set the limit on bet size, so the only other qualification would be that the player would win too much. Are you suggesting that a player who wins too much may not be able to collect those winnings? Or that a player who is deemed professional -in retrospect- may be held to a different standard when it comes to pay-out?

There was no need at all to include this point in your presentation. Your mention of it suggests it did play a part in your evaluation of this case.

[20Four7]

I think your 100% correct here DH. To deem someone professional after the fact and use that as a payout smells like the whole SBG thing with curious etc. Sabastians clients were deemed to be professional and a syndicate after the fact.

Again if it was me I'd have gotten anything I had to Bill and BBD within 24 hours even if it meant not sleeping. Especially if I was a single mom who needs this money. She got more here than most people on deal or no deal.

[orlipide]

hi,yeah,that's a good point..this is just one of the hundreds of ways bookmakers have to void your bets(strictly winnings one ONLY)..never heard of bookmakers calling you because you lost hundred dollars betting from different ip addresses and so on?
well..i haven't.. ;-)
or what about late bets..or whatever bookmakers decide is a late bet:you bet,you get a receipt,you win;they void the winning bet saying "sorry the game in question was broadcasted delayed...",oh really?how come does it ONLY happen when i win anything?what about people who has got losing bets in such a game?ooops sorry no refund,no one will contact you,it's just a losing bet...
anyway,i'm curious like you to see how it goes,there could be something not said in that post,but...let's wait for SGC..

[prop]

I would love to read a response from BetEd on Dark Horse's latest post.
That is extremely disturbing to be included with a payout issue, the whole wording is completely whacked to have in the terms.
Saying something like "BetEd reserves the right to ask professionals to leave, set limits, blah blah blah etc" in the terms is smart, but saying being a professional bettor (period) is against their terms is silly to have there and can only be used for them to selectively steal.