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  • Gaze73
    SBR MVP
    • 01-27-14
    • 3291

    #1
    99.9% of the industry is absolutely awful
    You know why? Because that's the number of books that treat winners like dirt. How come Pinnacle can accept a $50k bet and Bet365 and others can't accept a €5 bet on the same event? Imagine raking in billions each year but not allowing even peanut bets on major events because you might lose 10% of the peanut in the long term. It's akin to a Fortune 50 company not buying toilet paper for their bathrooms because it would cut into profit their margins, except there is no such company.

    Speaking of 365, they first lowered my limits, then removed the Cash Out Button, then removed the Bet Max button, without saying anything. Because max betting and cashing out peanuts is just unacceptable in the biggest book in the world.

    Imagine being the CEO of a company making over $2 Billion a year. You could: A) Increase the revenue by 10% by godawful measures or B) Sacrifice 10% by not being an ultra greedy ahole, which would result in better PR, more satisfied customers, more customers in general resulting in bigger turnover and ultimately just as much or possibly even more revenue as option A, with much better brand image to boot. 99.9% of Books chose option A. Oh, and about half the books have payout problems or are outright scams, says a lot about the industry.
  • Alfa1234
    SBR MVP
    • 12-19-15
    • 2722

    #2
    Congrats, you are getting limited by soft books. It means you've been doing something right and are no longer a clueless punter in their eyes.

    As some people here already know, finding out how to win is the easy part. Being able to bet enough to make money is the hard part.
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    • Optional
      Administrator
      • 06-10-10
      • 61395

      #3
      I think the regulation style that has developed out of the UK is partly to blame for this.

      The same operators, like Bet365, do not "manage" their Australian regulated users as tightly as in the UK.

      I am hoping USA regulation will be more Aussie style and help push the world to a fairer style longer term.
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      • lonnie55
        SBR MVP
        • 04-08-16
        • 2689

        #4
        99.9% of the industry is absolutely awful because it's operated by mafia, narcos, money launderers and who knows what other criminals, most of them with a gambling "license" that is issued by a pseudo-licensor from corrupt island states like Curacao or Malta that gives a sh*t on whether a licensee pays out or not.
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        • kevinkim
          SBR Rookie
          • 05-01-07
          • 28

          #5
          The bet max button was taken out for every bettors.

          Originally posted by Gaze73
          You know why? Because that's the number of books that treat winners like dirt. How come Pinnacle can accept a $50k bet and Bet365 and others can't accept a €5 bet on the same event? Imagine raking in billions each year but not allowing even peanut bets on major events because you might lose 10% of the peanut in the long term. It's akin to a Fortune 50 company not buying toilet paper for their bathrooms because it would cut into profit their margins, except there is no such company.

          Speaking of 365, they first lowered my limits, then removed the Cash Out Button, then removed the Bet Max button, without saying anything. Because max betting and cashing out peanuts is just unacceptable in the biggest book in the world.

          Imagine being the CEO of a company making over $2 Billion a year. You could: A) Increase the revenue by 10% by godawful measures or B) Sacrifice 10% by not being an ultra greedy ahole, which would result in better PR, more satisfied customers, more customers in general resulting in bigger turnover and ultimately just as much or possibly even more revenue as option A, with much better brand image to boot. 99.9% of Books chose option A. Oh, and about half the books have payout problems or are outright scams, says a lot about the industry.
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          • Gaze73
            SBR MVP
            • 01-27-14
            • 3291

            #6
            Originally posted by kevinkim
            The bet max button was taken out for every bettors.
            Why, that doesn't make any sense. You want max bets from recreational gamblers. Besides it's just a matter of convenience, your stake gets rejected and you put in the max allowed manually. Same thing with the cash out, I can simply bet on the other side, it's just less convenient.
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            • Gaze73
              SBR MVP
              • 01-27-14
              • 3291

              #7
              Originally posted by Alfa1234
              Congrats, you are getting limited by soft books. It means you've been doing something right and are no longer a clueless punter in their eyes.

              As some people here already know, finding out how to win is the easy part. Being able to bet enough to make money is the hard part.
              They limited me many years ago just like others. But they offer more events/markets than pinny so I have to bet on shit books too. My main book is pinny but I'm moving to asianodds tomorrow.
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              • Optional
                Administrator
                • 06-10-10
                • 61395

                #8
                Originally posted by Gaze73
                Why, that doesn't make any sense. You want max bets from recreational gamblers. Besides it's just a matter of convenience, your stake gets rejected and you put in the max allowed manually. Same thing with the cash out, I can simply bet on the other side, it's just less convenient.
                Probably because in UK they act like anyone who gambles is such a dumb ass they can't resist hitting it, so having it there is books trying to take advantage of people.

                Seriously.
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                • Shifty
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 08-10-08
                  • 558

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Gaze73
                  Why, that doesn't make any sense. You want max bets from recreational gamblers. Besides it's just a matter of convenience, your stake gets rejected and you put in the max allowed manually. Same thing with the cash out, I can simply bet on the other side, it's just less convenient.
                  Max bet button disappeared yesterday for me. Looks like it's everyone.
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                  • xKMACKx
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-16-08
                    • 1274

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gaze73
                    Why, that doesn't make any sense. You want max bets from recreational gamblers. Besides it's just a matter of convenience, your stake gets rejected and you put in the max allowed manually. Same thing with the cash out, I can simply bet on the other side, it's just less convenient.
                    The government
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                    • lonnie55
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-08-16
                      • 2689

                      #11
                      / obsolete
                      Last edited by lonnie55; 10-03-19, 05:25 AM.
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                      • Alfa1234
                        SBR MVP
                        • 12-19-15
                        • 2722

                        #12
                        I don't see the issue. Put in 99999999999, place and it comes back as "place X and refer rest to trader". Just place X and don't let it go to trader.
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                        • lonnie55
                          SBR MVP
                          • 04-08-16
                          • 2689

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Alfa1234
                          I don't see the issue. Put in 99999999999, place and it comes back as "place X and refer rest to trader". Just place X and don't let it go to trader.
                          Is it like that? Okay, then forget my post #11
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                          • Shifty
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 08-10-08
                            • 558

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Alfa1234
                            I don't see the issue. Put in 99999999999, place and it comes back as "place X and refer rest to trader". Just place X and don't let it go to trader.
                            If you put in an amount greater than your balance you get an error message. So you can't check the limit in advance. Every book should have posted limits.
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                            • piterp
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 06-02-13
                              • 241

                              #15
                              Uk bookmakers dont really want gamblers or punters they only care to make you addict to casino
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                              • lonnie55
                                SBR MVP
                                • 04-08-16
                                • 2689

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Shifty
                                If you put in an amount greater than your balance you get an error message. So you can't check the limit in advance. Every book should have posted limits.
                                So you need to make a deposit high enough to check the limit

                                High deposits -> higher chance that the player is a sharp

                                It's definitely an anti-sharp/anti-multiaccounting measure then
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                                • TwitchySeal
                                  SBR Hustler
                                  • 08-08-19
                                  • 72

                                  #17
                                  It's also gone from the NJ app.

                                  I bet they didn't get rid of the max bet on their slot machines though.
                                  Last edited by TwitchySeal; 10-03-19, 08:08 PM.
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                                  • Daddy89
                                    SBR Hustler
                                    • 05-09-18
                                    • 84

                                    #18
                                    We daily Deal with pirates. if you win = account limited or closed BUT if you only lose = "we miss you and promos e-mails..."
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                                    • Gaze73
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-27-14
                                      • 3291

                                      #19


                                      Except I'm not informed of the max stake until after I get rejected. Pinny shows the max bet before I put in any number and that's how it should be everywhere.
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                                      • KittiP
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 03-20-19
                                        • 286

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Alfa1234
                                        I don't see the issue. Put in 99999999999, place and it comes back as "place X and refer rest to trader". Just place X and don't let it go to trader.
                                        Apart from they will see that a few times on your account and use it as an excuse to limit you.

                                        I used to think the staff must be getting a bonus based on the number of people they have limited in the month or something like that.
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                                        • KittiP
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 03-20-19
                                          • 286

                                          #21
                                          Bet$3.65
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