shilbet - info needed

[Paula]

Hi
I think that the chances are that we are not going to get our money back now. I myself am thinking of reporting Shilbet as I feel they appear to be defrauding customers out of their money. It appears rather obvious from what I have read on this forum that they are not acting in a proper manner and committing a crime by means of the internet. I have been searching around and am thinking of reporting this to the FBI as per this page http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx
If I am not going to get my money back, I want to protect others. Does anyone agree that this is probably the best option?

I agree!

We should all decide a dead line, and if until this day we don´t receive our money or Justin or Bartys give some updates... we all should report to FBI and Interpol and every authoraty for internet crimes.

I´m gone send one last email to shilbet saying exactaly this.

What do you think?

[markbpowell]

Hi Justin
The first one they got wrong was the under 21 football where England beat Spain. They settled this at the half time score but have corrected this one. the second bet was also football in the Santos v Atletico ** which they settled 3-3. I follow football closely and this one ended 2-3 in my favour for definate.

[markbpowell]

Hi
I have sent an e-mail to the FBI asking their advice.

[KUMKUMBOU]

As my deposit was done through moneybooker. We could ask for the benificiary of this deposit to moneybookers. They should know that where tand to whom this was paid.
How do you think about it.

[Anibal]

Hi Justin

I bet 99,86$ on schiavone's game, and 10$ in Vesnina game. With the profit they owe me 224,72$. It might be very hard get our money back. There's only 2 option's. They really want to steal the most money they can and close Shilbet (which is the most probable) . Or they´re having serious financial losses because of their erratic odds and they are trying to win some time.

[Anibal]

Gutebet offline

Gutebet (NR), which was the topic of the day at bonus betting forums earlier this year, seems to have died.
Shilbet (NR) is probably a sister site as it uses the same "revolutionary betting" tagline Gutebet used to promote its service and more importantly the genius who designed the site didn't think to remove the Gutebet name from metatags and text on most of the Shilbet pages.


I found this information, it might be helpfull

[adriaana]

As my deposit was done through moneybooker. We could ask for the benificiary of this deposit to moneybookers. They should know that where tand to whom this was paid.
How do you think about it.

I already sent them an email and told them what shilbet is doing, but I received a standard message, that moneybookers is independent from shilbet.com and can't influence the company's politics

[Canar40]

As my deposit was done through moneybooker. We could ask for the benificiary of this deposit to moneybookers. They should know that where tand to whom this was paid.
How do you think about it.

I already sent them an email and told them what shilbet is doing, but I received a standard message, that moneybookers is independent from shilbet.com and can't influence the company's politics

But they can give us at least the address they are registered at as a company?

[adriaana]

i will write an email to ask them to give me the address right now

[robbed1]

shilbet dont pay out money

I hope we get our money back. By me it is 1800 USD. It is my 2 month salary

[Paula]

Hi
I have sent an e-mail to the FBI asking their advice.

Any answer from FBI?

[markbpowell]

Hi
No reply from the FBI as yet but their site does say they are very busy and want to know about all internet crimes, which this is. I did not expect an instant answer and have given them the ISP and location in San Jose etc.

[alanisds]

I think you are a bit wrong,

I also have a case with other sportbook on 23,000USD
After consulting with the Lawyer He told me that the sportbooks are working from Places that its legal to accept betting or gambling via internet And when you sign up and agree to the terms of service its like contract an every sportbook Write in the terms off servise that he can suspend you Only because of the concern or somthing like that.

and fbi will not help you becuse they help only to usa Citizens and if you are usa Citizens then You did a crime becuse its not legal for usa Citizens to gamble in the offshore sportbook if they not Hold usa Gambling license so The judge will decides that the sportbook is Right it prevents you from gambling .

ther is no way legaly to do anithing Except looking in the sbr and places a bets only in companys that the rating is A-

sorrey about the english

[Paula]

I think you are a bit wrong,

I also have a case with other sportbook on 23,000USD
After consulting with the Lawyer He told me that the sportbooks are working from Places that its legal to accept betting or gambling via internet And when you sign up and agree to the terms of service its like contract an every sportbook Write in the terms off servise that he can suspend you Only because of the concern or somthing like that.

and fbi will not help you becuse they help only to usa Citizens and if you are usa Citizens then You did a crime becuse its not legal for usa Citizens to gamble in the offshore sportbook if they not Hold usa Gambling license so The judge will decides that the sportbook is Right it prevents you from gambling .

ther is no way legaly to do anithing Except looking in the sbr and places a bets only in companys that the rating is A-

sorrey about the english

Ok, I understsand. But if we try Interpoll they must have some service for internet crimes. In this case doesn´t matter your nattionalaty... by the way I´m from Europe ...from Portugal.

What I can not accept is that some thieves can still our money and nothing happens... There site still work and robbe other people.


I´m gone look for more foruns and post there this stories.

[Paula]

I think you are a bit wrong,

I also have a case with other sportbook on 23,000USD
After consulting with the Lawyer He told me that the sportbooks are working from Places that its legal to accept betting or gambling via internet And when you sign up and agree to the terms of service its like contract an every sportbook Write in the terms off servise that he can suspend you Only because of the concern or somthing like that.

and fbi will not help you becuse they help only to usa Citizens and if you are usa Citizens then You did a crime becuse its not legal for usa Citizens to gamble in the offshore sportbook if they not Hold usa Gambling license so The judge will decides that the sportbook is Right it prevents you from gambling .

ther is no way legaly to do anithing Except looking in the sbr and places a bets only in companys that the rating is A-

sorrey about the english

Ok, I understsand. But if we try Interpoll they must have some service for internet crimes. In this case doesn´t matter your nattionalaty... by the way I´m from Europe ...from Portugal.

What I can not accept is that some thieves can still our money and nothing happens... There site still work and robbe other people.


I´m gone look for more foruns and post there this stories.

[markbpowell]

Hi
Alanisds is wrong. It may be illegal to bet in Costa Rica and the USA but they have these bookmakers there anyway dont they. They get around it by saying that the money deposited did not actually enter those countries. In the USA they bet on racetracks so it is not totally illegal anyway. Does Alanisds work for Shilbet or something? When I agreed to the terms and conditions I did not agree to them keeping my cash when I was owed it. Who on earth would bet with a bookmaker and say its OK to keep my money if I win or lose? I did not agree to them settling my bets incorrectly either and regarding the FBI, they cover all internet crimes not just in the USA. I have asked their advice and if they cannot help have asked for them to direct me to someone who can. I have also written and had a reply from the Ministry of Commerce in Costa Rica who are investigating this matter and have their location.
Anyway myself I am in Scotland in the UK where it is not illegal to bet and Shilbet state that we have to abide by the laws of our own counties when betting with them, which I have. I have nothing to fear regarding me breaking any laws but Shilbet do. I personally work within the Security Industry and have been given a license by authorised by the Police in Britain as a Government requirement to say that I am law abiding and trustworthy so take exception to anyone like Shilbet suggesting that I have committed fraud etc.

[adriaana]

i lost my money trying to make the rollover....i guess that's it for me ..

[Canar40]

i lost my money trying to make the rollover....i guess that's it for me ..

lucky you

[fixxer]

There is absolutely no use in contacting FBI and Interpol...please check back any major complaint topics about a scam sportsbook who stole their customers money (the last is Gold Victory for example) - you can find a lot if you check back the forum - you will see that neither of these could be solved this way.
Probably the reason is, that neither of these organisations have authority - or interest to deal with scam bookmakers, who hide under fake names, fake addresses, and are licensed in "nameless" countries.
Even in the cases where the bookies were licensed under LGA, a legal organisation - nothing could have been done.

The case is simple. This is a scam sportsbook which steals the money of their customers. The most that can be done against them is to force them to close, - possibly - nothing more...

I understand that people who have a lot of cash there wants to try anything to get their money but....start accepting that this money is lost, and hope in a miracle.

[tarosill]

There is absolutely no use in contacting FBI and Interpol...please check back any major complaint topics about a scam sportsbook who stole their customers money (the last is Gold Victory for example) - you can find a lot if you check back the forum - you will see that neither of these could be solved this way.
Probably the reason is, that neither of these organisations have authority - or interest to deal with scam bookmakers, who hide under fake names, fake addresses, and are licensed in "nameless" countries.
Even in the cases where the bookies were licensed under LGA, a legal organisation - nothing could have been done.

The case is simple. This is a scam sportsbook which steals the money of their customers. The most that can be done against them is to force them to close, - possibly - nothing more...

I understand that people who have a lot of cash there wants to try anything to get their money but....start accepting that this money is lost, and hope in a miracle.

I'm not sure about this one sir. Gold Victory's owener was arrested in Malta more than a month ago. Here is the info from bookmakersreview.com.

GoldVictory owner arrested in Malta

While Gold Victory no pay complaints continue to pile up, the story had an unexpected twist when the company's owner. Dimitris Drosos. was arrested for fraud and misappropriation of 500,000 euros from customer accounts after the Lotteries and Gaming Authority of Malta asked the Maltese police to intervene.

Date published: 20 May 2009

[Bartys]

I have sent email with user names and owed amount to Mike Coll from Shilbet. I will post his reason when I receive it.

[KUMKUMBOU]

Hi all
shilbet.com is still running so smoothly. Is there any strong and viable step that we can take to stop them right from now on. As i am one of the victims i lost my brain and thus seeking for someone to direct us. Maybe justin or anybody. Have any one known anything about their owner identity or any crucial info.

[giulioclaudio]

shilbet domain

Hi guys...
Might not help but I found this info about www.shitbet.com:
shilbet.com

Registrant:
Jose Perez (pashi@yahoo.com)

Panama
Panama, 1000
PA
+507.88888889

Domain Name: shilbet.com
Administrative, Technical, Billing Contact:
Jose Perez (pashi@yahoo.com)

Panama
Panama, NONE 1000
PA
+506.88888889
Record created on Sep 8 2008.
Record expires on Sep 8 2010.
Domain servers:
NS1.CYBERFUEL.COM
NS2.CYBERFUEL.COM

Domain Service Provider:
Cyberfuel S.A.
+506 2204-9494
info@cyberfuel.com

https://www.cyberfuel.com

It would be great if you could at least stop them now!
Claudio

[markbpowell]

Hi Barts
Are you able to contact Shilbet by telephone? If so do you have a number for me?
Mark

[markbpowell]

Hi giulioclaudio
I tried to e-mail that address but got a message that this user does not have a yahoo.com account.
Mark

[fixxer]

....sorry, but I believe you are wrong. This move simply didn't help any GV users to get their money. I really don't want to be the bringer of bad news, but false hope in getting the money is not helping at all...

In Shilbet's case a nameless owner (probably all the names are fake which you could find) is stealing the money - and the bookmaker is nowhere licensed and resides in a nameless country.
You cannot sue a nameless person, who possibly didn't even break the laws of that nameless country...this is the reason that most scam bookmakers hide in these nameless countries....
In GV-s case, at least they could get the owner - still, no payouts were made, and very possibly noone will get their money. But GV started to be a serious operation, they were licensed in Malta, they were a relatively correct bookmaker for years, just money ran out. Big big difference, still, no money for the users...

Shilbet is a non-paying scam bookmaker, and nothing can be done to force them to pay out. No phone calls, emails, threats will make them change their minds. They are thiefs, they made this whole story intentionally. First made a few payouts to lure customers, lost big money on errorous oddses, and started to get all the money they could - by all means.
They won't stop stealing because they receive a few threatening emails, or a websites stops advertising them.

Please check "betting office" Worldbet...another scam operation running for more than 5 years, they are stealing their customers' money since the beginning, and still, they are running...nobody could shut them down, nobody could get the money from them (except a few miracolous small-ammount payouts to lure other victims)

Legal moves only could help against a legal entity (a licensed bookmaker for example)....and even in this case, it's a very complicated thing.
No sane person would start a legal action (especially an overseas one) for a few hundred (even a few thousand) dollars, as just the money they'd pay out to (start the process, hire a lawyer etc...) would be a lot more than the stolen money...not to mention the time it would take. Especially if he knows well, that chances are low, that even if the court decides in his favor, he could get the money from the owner...

Still, good luck in getting your money back from this p.o.s. operation called shilbet

[Anacart]

Shillbet is a scam but they process 2 payouts for me. The last one was after my account is closed. They pay me my bet on Ecuador after all that mess! They also told that was a half time bet(they lie) but after i told them that the odd 3.1 on a draw to that game was a nonsense odd they payme my 150USD on Ecuador at odds 4!

[tarosill]

No, I'm not...
I would like to remind you (once again!) what you wrote in your post...

The case is simple. This is a scam sportsbook which steals the money of their customers. The most that can be done against them is to force them to close, - possibly - nothing more...

As you already know, Gold Victory owner was arrested in Malta.
So, maybe you don't like it, but surely there is more that can be done against them then to force them to close.

[fixxer]

No, I'm not...
I would like to remind you (once again!) what you wrote in your post...

As you already know, Gold Victory owner was arrested in Malta.
So, maybe you don't like it, but surely there is more that can be done against them then to force them to close.

Please, read back my previous post.

I corrected my first post, possibly nothing can be done to get the money...all depends on the "bookmaker"....(the case would be different with (most) licensed bookmakers)

If I know well (which is not a sure knowledge of course), nobody received ANY payout from GV since they closed business (but I am sure reading the related topic, that the majority is still waiting for their cash), and it was a registered, licensed bookmaker which was a relatively honest one for more than a year - not a nowhere licensed nameless country based one like shilbet.

Don't be ridicolous, of course I hope that everybody will get their money, simply, I can't see a lot chance for it....and hoping in that the FBI or the Interpol or Bartys will get your money, or you will get your money by threatening them or calling them is simply a false hope - just look at a similar case: Worldbet (or Betchance....)
If they decide to pay for any reason - they will pay. If not....

[durito]

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[Bartys]

Hello everybody,

I am comming back after some time with Shilbet affiliate manager reason to their scamming behaviour:



Hi Jan,

I'm sorry for the delayed response.

About your question, in this particular case the odds was on the HT and not
on the FT.
The outcome at the end of the first half was "0-0", therefor all the players
who choose the draw in this event won and the other lost of course.

Usually we display full time events but in certain cases we promote other
types like half time result, handicaps, etc...
to our "Hot games" section, near each game we show the game notes which can
clarify the exact betting type we offer on this event.

In this particular case, the event was promoted and given two number, 2 and
8, 2 means 3way bet and 8 means half time result bet.

In certain occasions we pick unconventional odds in order to attract players
like in this case
In that case HT result line was the only line that shown in order not to
cause confusion among the players with FT result, the confusion may happen
because there was no difference until now between the FT and the HT except
in the XML format that given to our affiliate partners, that's probably the
reason that in the odds comparison sites our HT line was shown as FT line.

After this episode we come to a several conclusions, we already change the
odds format for our affiliate partners that way case like this never happen
again also we added sections for each additional betting type to prevent
confusion in the future.

By the way this is one of the reasons I asked you in my previous email if
there is any problem with our XML feed and the odds showing.

We blocked several players due a violation of our terms of service.
Further more we closed the possibility to register and deposit funds with
Shilbet from now on, until future notice.


Best wishes
Mike Coll
Affiliate program manager
Shilbet.com

[fixxer]

Now this is completely b...sh.t .....just read back the topic, it is proven with scanned pictures that what the manager wrote you is a lie

[Bartys]

I know... Unfortunately, I will write him other email and other...

[Canar40]

LOL

I received a mail from them but it is the same as always..

Dear Boris,
Thank you for your patience.

About your inquire, your account was suspended due a suspicion in your involvement in illegal betting despite our "terms of service".
We will decide on any further conclusions after checking this issue substantially , until the end of the investigation your account will be suspended.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact our support.


Kindest regards
Shilbet finance team

What is suspicious in my behavior I have not made any bets on this Ecuadorian match.. I really can't see where is the problem.

[fixxer]

What is your suspicious behaviour?

My guess is:
1, You possibly asked for a payout they don't want to pay
2, You possibly have a balance which they want to confiscate without any real reason