Betfair Sportsbook..So Why Do They have One???

**allin1** · 10-26-13, 11:56 AM

maybe some squares prefer that instead of the exchange

**Ruifgalmeida** · 10-26-13, 12:48 PM

Are you saying street sportsbook or a online sportsbook?
In some countries where bet are regulated I know that betfair is only alowed to be a sportbook and not a exchange, this means that players are only alowed to back bets and dont have access to the lay option.

**jimbo747** · 10-26-13, 02:20 PM

Regular offers. Just recently done the £25 cashout offer, easy money. No other reason to use it other than bonuses.

**Hareeba!** · 10-26-13, 03:21 PM

They haven't yet launched their sportsbook in Australia so I haven't any experience of playing there.
I really wonder about their strategy and would have thought it far better that they concentrate on promoting the massive advantage of their point of difference as an exchange rather than try to become just another sportsbook offering nothing different.

**TennisProFrance** · 10-27-13, 02:41 AM

Would take me too long to post the correct response to this, but its along the lines off quoted company, need growth & enhanced eps, new CEO ex PP, many think they are on the wrong road, fair to say the exchange is the poor brother these days.

**Hareeba!** · 10-27-13, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by TennisProFrance

Would take me too long to post the correct response to this, but its along the lines off quoted company, need growth & enhanced eps, new CEO ex PP, many think they are on the wrong road, fair to say the exchange is the poor brother these days.

Yes, but correctly promoted and handled I don't understand why the exchange shouldn't be their prime earner. They have close to a monopoly.

**TennisProFrance** · 10-27-13, 02:53 AM

Higher margins on the book. I agree with you, they are turning their back on their completive advantage and what turned them into a £1bn company.

**jjgold** · 10-27-13, 08:36 AM

I was looking at it today, massive juice

Its the same as the other big boys in the UK

**Optional** · 10-27-13, 08:54 AM

If they do neglect the exchange we might finally see the rise of a real competitor, which would be good.

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 10-27-13, 10:16 AM

More profit in the conventional model - that was always the assumption. They've milked the exchange model for as much fees as they think they can manage without killing it, so now they try lever the advantage of the name brand into a new business.

**sbavi** · 10-27-13, 11:16 AM

Their Sportsbook is just like any other UK bookie.

I play Over/Under Games on Tennis matches.I used to have decent limits like 1000$ per bet and now my max is 64$.

**allin1** · 10-27-13, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

Yes, but correctly promoted and handled I don't understand why the exchange shouldn't be their prime earner. They have close to a monopoly.

close to a monopoly when it comes to their services, but when it comes to profits, I think the classic model bookmakers make more profits at the end of the year than pinnacle or betfair... so if they attract a lot of customers to the sportsbook, the exchange won't be their prime earner

**Hareeba!** · 10-27-13, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by allin1

close to a monopoly when it comes to their services, but when it comes to profits, I think the classic model bookmakers make more profits at the end of the year than pinnacle or betfair... so if they attract a lot of customers to the sportsbook, the exchange won't be their prime earner

that may be but I don't understand why it should or has to be

**allin1** · 10-27-13, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

that may be but I don't understand why it should or has to be

pinny and exchanges attract a lot of sharp action and all they get as profit is the small juice/commission.

Square books on the other hand have bigger juice and they also avoid sharps... and in the long run, squares just end up losing.

Square books don't take sharp action because their business is to end up with the money that losers lose.

I think that is the big difference that affects the balance sheets at the end of the year.

**jjgold** · 10-27-13, 04:21 PM

good stuff men

I guess suckers will play there

**Hareeba!** · 10-27-13, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by allin1

pinny and exchanges attract a lot of sharp action and all they get as profit is the small juice/commission.

Square books on the other hand have bigger juice and they also avoid sharps... and in the long run, squares just end up losing.

Square books don't take sharp action because their business is to end up with the money that losers lose.

I think that is the big difference that affects the balance sheets at the end of the year.

Yes that makes sense as far as it goes. But there are only so many "square" $ to go around all the "me too" sportsbooks.

I'd rather see Betfair going back and concentrating on what made them in the first place and stall of competitors in the exchange market. The thing with exchanges is that they work best when there isn't much competition to them which dilutes the liquidity. The more liquidity, the more players and the more profit.

**allin1** · 10-27-13, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

Yes that makes sense as far as it goes. But there are only so many "square" $ to go around all the "me too" sportsbooks.

I'd rather see Betfair going back and concentrating on what made them in the first place and stall of competitors in the exchange market. The thing with exchanges is that they work best when there isn't much competition to them which dilutes the liquidity. The more liquidity, the more players and the more profit.

they are still miles ahead any other exchange and I don't think they are willing to let their advantage over the competition slip away easily

**dink** · 10-27-13, 08:27 PM

Just checking out matchbook (doubt i'd ever use them) and wanted to know how u see the volume on a match like you can with the little graph that betfair provides??? I don't see any other exchange giving u the option to see it.

**bettingstation** · 10-27-13, 09:49 PM

competition wise they should do something...

**Hareeba!** · 10-27-13, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by dink

Just checking out matchbook (doubt i'd ever use them) and wanted to know how u see the volume on a match like you can with the little graph that betfair provides??? I don't see any other exchange giving u the option to see it.

you can't

**dink** · 10-27-13, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Hareeba!

you can't

well that sucks!!!

**jjgold** · 10-28-13, 06:21 AM

I bet that European and UK formula for bookmaking is very profitable so why would they change it

**Dr.Gonzo** · 10-28-13, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

I bet that European and UK formula for bookmaking is very profitable so why would they change it

Can you stop it with the water-carrying for these accountants please Goldberg.

They opened it for one reason, so they can take all the suckers money directly rather than having it go to a pro and having to take a commission on the exchange.

Plus, they already have everyones trading record so it's pretty easier to identify the soft and hard money.

**zizoudane10** · 10-28-13, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Is it a typical UK book whereas quick to limit and real high juice??

They have lots of money so maybe different than like Willy Hill??

Anyone try it??

Why have one when they have a mega exchange??

Why won't they is the first question.

Second, there is very well a reason. Germany f.e. has the "Glücksspielstaatsvertrag", meaning that books have to pay 5% of every bet (EVERY bet, winner, loser, even cashback bets) as taxes to the state. Betfair obviously can't take the 5% because it's an exchange. So they blocked players from Germany from using the exchange. But obviously they can take the 5% in a normal sportsbook. So they have one. Easy as pie.

**kkkkk** · 10-28-13, 09:05 AM

That with Germany is not the real reason. They want to have a sportsbook to earn as much money as they can. They want to raise their finacial records and to boost prices of their equities so they can sell their shares at juicy levels to some rich idiots. Sad but true, they dont care customers. They allow some bad moves at the exchanges to earn even 10 eur more from commisions imho, thats what i saw.

**allin1** · 10-28-13, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by kkkkk

That with Germany is not the real reason. They want to have a sportsbook to earn as much money as they can. They want to raise their finacial records and to boost prices of their equities so they can sell their shares at juicy levels to some rich idiots. Sad but true, they dont care customers. They allow some bad moves at the exchanges to earn even 10 eur more from commisions imho, thats what i saw.

What do you mean in bold sentence?