[WVU]

Any thoughts WVU?

Well my initial thoughts are why the fuk did I not find out about this game sooner?

[Pew Pew]

5dime's site been down a lot lately too. Is this the start of their demise!?!

[mtneer1212]

EVERYONE STOP USING 5DIMES .. stop depositing with them and withdraw your money and go to another book !

If they do this to 1 person .. they can do it to ANYONE ELSE .

this is unacceptable ..

Just as in the EZStreet case, can we have a full review by Justin before we start the boycott? In EZStreet's case, they had NO proof. Lets see what 5dimes has to offer.

[zabula11]

sure I did.. .and tony can of course see that in my hands history... every few hours I took some break.. sometimes just five minutes to go to toilet, sometimes half an hour to take lunch in front of TV.. some times I ate behind computer etc...

Ok it certainly sounds feasible. Did you take breaks or was it 16-18 non-stop?

[zabula11]

Well my initial thoughts are why the fuk did I not find out about this game sooner?

[Thremp]

Not shocking after they robbed WWE bettors.

[pokerplayer22]

I have no idea about how this is going to turn out but i guarantee that if 5dimes has no evidence (like EZ didnt), than SBR will side with the player because the precident has already been set. I also guarantee that even tho Tony is a hardass, that if SBR rules that 5dimes has to pay the player, than Tony will pay the player.

5dimes is not in the corrupt category like EZ is. My guess is that we are about to see the difference between an A+ book and a D- book.

[kmarinouofm]

if this guy had no life.. no one on AIM.. no one calling him. just him and his computer with a few breaks.. he can do this in a day no problem..

it will suck.. but the profit made is the driving force for him.. and he gets through it.. the amount of hands played in a day is not enough evidence in my opinion ..

i think we should get Justin7 to play an hour of this game and see how many hands he can get through to determine if this is true..

there is no rules.. no strategy to this game.. the guy is hitting button 1.. and then hits the button 1 again.. 2's are held.. everything else discarded.. its meant to be a button smasher.. like a classic video game.. if you hit this button 1000 times.. you will beat the boss on level 1..

same shit.. you hit this button 10,000 times.. you will make x amount of dollars..

what i think is these guys thought they would never get this kind of dedication on there games... but they were wrong..

[thegreen]

Hi guys,

I am new here and I want your advice and also I want to tell you how it really goes in 5 dimes.
We all know their bonus casino is kinda "pearl" in industry offering some games with over 100% payout rate.
But what will really happen when you start to play it?
There is my story... Started there months ago as I found it here on 5 Dimes that their deuces wild is FULL PAY, meaning cca 0.75% players edge. After months I found much more profitable games there and my balance went to 14 500 USD.
Today I asked withdrawal of 5 000 and only thing that happened is that their manager Tony told me, that I used a robot and so my balance is set to zero. How easy is not to pay customers then just tell them they are using robot... Tony of course did not give me any evidence of using robot but only because he probably doesnt like people who hit few royal flushes in a day, then it must be robot... And probably all professional players will tell me, that it is not that difficult to play around 1000-1500 hands a day which gives you fair chances of catching even few royal flushes a day... (or loosing a lot of course....) For those who think, that playing over 1000 hands an hour perfectly is not possible for human, just try 5 dimes casino (or better not as you will not see your money anymore). But some variances of their video poker games pays just royal flush and second highest hand. So you totally dont care about any flushes, straights, full houses etc.. hands that takes your thinking time as you must concentrace if you have 3 to straight, if to draw two cards or deal brand new hand etc.. on this machine where is only royal flush as win and second best, for example royal flush with jocker, you basicly draw most of hands as new hands or holds 2 to royal flush etc.. which is very easy and even monkey can hold 2 to royal flush and discard all other.. there is not robot needed at all because it is possible for just slightly trained human to discard 700 hands and draw to 300 as there is 2 to royal flush or more..
As this is my first post here, I dont know how to upload image, but I have them all.. There is for example my welcome screent that shows:

Sportsbook Wagering Suspended

Sportsbook wagering has been suspended. Please contact customer service for more information.


or if I go to daily figure, I see this nice adjustment:

BETTING ADJUSTMENT TOTAL : -14,500.24

or in transactions history I have this:
800121835/9/11 10:10am-$14,500.24-$993.75robot player, reset to zero
So guys, how do you like 5dimes? I am not even angry because this just seems to me so unbeleiveable that I probably still dont beleive they took my 14 500 USD out of me saying that I used robot ... What will be next? All your graded wagers voided because you are fortune teller?...

5dimes PAY HIM HIS MONEY!!!! These Books that offer casino games can easily employ BOT tests while people are playing just like the poker stars did!!!! If they don't have tests in place and the game is not manipulated they need to PAY!!!!! That game has 2 payouts and not that difficult to play super fast!!!!! These sites are unregulated SCAMMERS and need to lose some money just like they steal from players!!!

[runner5k]

This will be interesting to see play out!

[jesuseatsnubs]

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Ian'
Ian: Hello. How may I assist you today?
Dave: Hey you guys need to pay up the man in SBR FORUM requesting $14,500 + in payments which u guys made his account balance to 0 !
Dave: until then I will make sure you guys go bankrupt
Dave: and ur ratings to an F
Ian: If you have any question about your account we will gladly answer it
Dave: no **** you , I will call the costa Rican police and make sure you pay the guy
Dave: you books wont screw ANYONE AROUND
Dave: we are what makes u
Dave: without us you are ****** !
Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.

[Kaabee]

it is not 2500 for four deuces it is 2000. this game has a house edge of .1%, so you either don't remember correctly or they changed it.

their full pay game does have a player edge of .44%


5dimes has mirror sites. www2.5dimes.com works for me.

[GmCrazy]

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Ian'
Ian: Hello. How may I assist you today?
Dave: Hey you guys need to pay up the man in SBR FORUM requesting $14,500 + in payments which u guys made his account balance to 0 !
Dave: until then I will make sure you guys go bankrupt
Dave: and ur ratings to an F
Ian: If you have any question about your account we will gladly answer it
Dave: no **** you , I will call the costa Rican police and make sure you pay the guy
Dave: you books wont screw ANYONE AROUND
Dave: we are what makes u
Dave: without us you are ****** !
Chat session has been terminated by the site operator.

This is the shit that makes the customer service reps not want to help us when we need a favor. I'm not saying 5dimes is right in this case a tall, but just that we need to wait til we see SBR's findings. So many times on this forum we have seen brand new posters coming in here looking for help only to find out that some of them were less than truthful.

[Wiggums5]

this should be interesting

[excel]

At worst kick player, refund his entire balance. I don't think he deserves to be kicked but w/e. I bet if he lost money 16 hours a day they wouldn't have kicked him.

[WVU]

Did Tony really design these games? LMAO if true

[jesuseatsnubs]

This is the shit that makes the customer service reps not want to help us when we need a favor. I'm not saying 5dimes is right in this case a tall, but just that we need to wait til we see SBR's findings. So many times on this forum we have seen brand new posters coming in here looking for help only to find out that some of them were less than truthful.

NO , we are what makes any SPORTSBOOK successful .. without us they are nothing ... THEY NEED TO PAY THIS GUY ASAP .

did you see how Tony was behaving when talking to him ? what a complete utter peace of shi$t that Tony guy is .

[CarpeDime]

ohhhh boy


heeere we go again.......

[KGambler]

it is not 2500 for four deuces it is 2000. this game has a house edge of .1%, so you either don't remember correctly or they changed it.

their full pay game does have a player edge of .44%


5dimes has mirror sites. www2.5dimes.com works for me.

They changed it. I knew that would happen as soon as I opened this thread (had a feeling which game he was alluding to) and WVU started asking questions. Even if it had been rigged, they would have had to remove it. But it seems it was not rigged after all. Tony just ****** up.

I can confirm that the payout he described has been available since at least July of 2009. That is when I found the game and asked two highly knowledgeable VP players about it. They both advised me NOT to play the game citing rigged online casinos. One of them had worked designing online casino SW and he heavily hinted that most of these places have an option to rig a game built in. I did play this game for about 15-20 hours total and never did hit a royal. If I had to guess, I finished up slightly just by hitting the 4 dueces "enough". I never played much because the max you can make is on the order of $30 an hour, and that is assuming the game is legit.

When I timed myself for 10 minute intervals, I saw that I could play 16-17 hands per minute. I am sure that there are people who can play faster than me. I am not an experienced VP player, and people 15-20 years younger than me can probably play faster than someone my age (generally speaking).

In these types of cases, it is important to NOT assume that because you can not do something, nobody else can. That is ridiculous. I know there are people who can play much faster than me.

OP needs to file a complaint, specifically asking for Justin7 to be assigned to the enquiry, and then he can pretty well count on getting paid if 5Dimes does not have proof of bot play. Maybe they do have proof. Who knows? He needs to file a complaint. And no matter what happens from this point on, Tony will close his account.

[durito]

Did Tony really design these games? LMAO if true

He also once claimed to have designed their AH soccer lines, which of course they were copying from pinnacle, and not paying out properly because no one there understood them (basic math).

[SBR Lou]

Hi zabula,

We have received your SBR complaint form filed this afternoon. It is being reviewed.

[barcelonafc]

if sbr rule in favour of the player then 5 dimes has to be down graded!!!!!!!!

[soxwin1917]

if sbr rule in favour of the player then 5 dimes has to be down graded!!!!!!!!

Why should they be downgraded if SBR rules in favor of the player and then 5 dimes pays? I think the suspicion of bot play is reasonable and if Tony has real proof then we'll see it. If he doesn't then ultimately the player will get paid.

[Kaabee]

wow, can't believe they didn't notice this sooner as it's $30 an hour for a fast player in the long run.

you can make more money on the full pay machine though. .44% for the player but you can wager $25

(.44/100)*$25*1000 hands per hour= $110/hour

[asdfghasdfgh]

That's a lot of dedication. 16 hours a day of VP is nuts. Hope you get paid if you made all that money legitimately.

[barcelonafc]

Why should they be downgraded if SBR rules in favor of the player and then 5 dimes pays? I think the suspicion of bot play is reasonable and if Tony has real proof then we'll see it. If he doesn't then ultimately the player will get paid.

i meant if sbr rule in favour of the player and 5dimes dont pay, I cant see tony paying 14 grand just cause sbr say so.

he seems very stuborn.

if they pay then they deserve the a+ they have.

[WVU]

If SBR tells Tony that he should pay, I believe he will.

[KGambler]

Well my initial thoughts are why the fuk did I not find out about this game sooner?

I was actually going to contact you and ask what you thought of this game about 1-2 months ago. I got side tracked doing other shit though (losing on MLB probably).

And I thought about your story of hiring neighborhood kids to play VP for $5 an hour, but I didn't think my neighbors would appreciate that!

[zabula11]

They of course changed it... it was 2500

it is not 2500 for four deuces it is 2000. this game has a house edge of .1%, so you either don't remember correctly or they changed it.

their full pay game does have a player edge of .44%


5dimes has mirror sites. www2.5dimes.com works for me.

[Timmah2483]

I just turned $300 into $1500+ in bets and Im worried now I wont get my money. I came here because the site isnt working, wanted to see if anyone else is having trouble. u guys have me worried...

[Ralphie1412]

Did Tony say in the chat "if you dont use a robot you will lose"

Is that for real?

[KGambler]

wow, can't believe they didn't notice this sooner as it's $30 an hour for a fast player in the long run.

you can make more money on the full pay machine though. .44% for the player but you can wager $25

(.44/100)*$25*1000 hands per hour= $110/hour

With 4 dueces set to 2,000 coins, the player edge is gone.

As far as the old payout table, it seems they knew it was +EV for the player, because the max was set to 25c per spin. But it sounds like Tony misjudged just how +EV it was.

But if you play +EV VP games at 5Dimes, and never play the other VP games, they will shut you down relatively quickly. That is what I have read on other forums anyway. I played the game in question, without playing other VP games, and never heard from 5Dimes about it. I didn't play a tremendous amount though.

[KGambler]

I just turned $300 into $1500+ in bets and Im worried now I wont get my money. I came here because the site isnt working, wanted to see if anyone else is having trouble. u guys have me worried...

you have nothing to worry about

[jesuseatsnubs]

i meant if sbr rule in favour of the player and 5dimes dont pay, I cant see tony paying 14 grand just cause sbr say so.

he seems very stuborn.

if they pay then they deserve the a+ they have.

dude you have any idea what 5dimes is doing right now ? It's like me going to a casino and winning $10,000

then they decide not to pay me for whatever bullshit excuse they come up with .

It's basically no different then stealing .. these 5dimes fuks are thieves .

It's up to you guys and everyone else to teach them a lesson and NOT deposit at there site and withdraw all your money .

But before doing that wait and see what SBR decides to do first .. If they say they must pay and they don't

then that's when u gotta BOYCOTT them .. it will teach them a lesson hopefully .. not to fuk with the players .

[mikeanite]

I just turned $300 into $1500+ in bets and Im worried now I wont get my money. I came here because the site isnt working, wanted to see if anyone else is having trouble. u guys have me worried...

it's down for me too.