[mikeanite]

I'll disagree on your conclusion. If a book doesn't want a player's action, it should close it as soon as possible, and do it fairly.

oh really Justin, forget that they are a A grade book how would you feel if Pinnacle, Greek, and Bookmaker closes ur account after a week or two and able you as a "professional"? i'm not a professional, actually i just start and learning. but a book can't just kick someone out everytime a guy has a chance of winning a couple hundred. i don't see any book that could stay in business for long with that model. to be honest, if i was a professional i would even take their bonus offer. they should think about that...

[Doug]

max bet a day is $250. so if i max it out everyday for the next 2 months, i'll reach it but i don't bet everyday. i can't parlay anything and the rep label me as "Professional" what kind book does this? my job is to get the word out about me beting mistreated. word of mouth travels far!

they won't be in business in two months. Your money is as good as gone....

[pokerplayer22]

oh really Justin, forget that they are a A grade book how would you feel if Pinnacle, Greek, and Bookmaker closes ur account after a week or two and able you as a "professional"? i'm not a professional, actually i just start and learning. but a book can't just kick someone out everytime a guy has a chance of winning a couple hundred. i don't see any book that could stay in business for long with that model. to be honest, if i was a professional i would even take their bonus offer. they should think about that...

IMO a book can refuse service to anyone they want (just like in any business), but if you are in the middle of a rollover, they need to figure out how much of the bonus you get to keep and should let you cash your acct out asap without any hassles. They cant just put you on 250/day limits, which makes you have to keep your money there for another month or two. Again, more ridiculousness by EZ

[KGambler]

250 per day

250 per day??? That's insane. I have never heard of such a thing.

[pokerplayer22]

250 per day??? That's insane. I have never heard of such a thing.

My guess is thats just another one of Powers' shenanigans on how to hold a players' money hostage

[warriorfan707]

This thread doesn't make much sense

[EZMARVIN]

[QUOTE=mikeanite;9457338]max bet a day is $250. so if i max it out everyday for the next 2 months, i'll reach it but i don't bet everyday. i can't parlay anything and the rep label me as "Professional" what kind book does this? my job is to get the word out about me beting mistreated. word of mouth travels far![/QUO

100% cash bonus 12 x roll only playing halves, account under review for two weeks. Real limits $500 full games, $250 on halves, $100 on props, he can play parlays up to 8 teams $250 max for full games parlays $100 for half game parlays. He was told he could give the bonus back and get payout for free on Tuesday. He was not labeled as professional, he was told since he specialized in only betting halves his account was placed on review by risk management. Have a great day all. Below chat transcript, only thing edited is name, location and account information for the privacy of the client.

Friday, 1 Apr, 2011
[16:19] Visitor 213578734: why am i limited???

[16:19] SYSTEM: Some information about Visitor 213578734 (Powered by Rapleaf)
[16:19] SYSTEM: Gender: Male
[16:19] SYSTEM: Age: 25-34
[16:19] SYSTEM: Location: xxxx
[16:19] Marvin has joined the conversation
[16:19] Visitor 213578734: what's going on????
[16:19] Marvin: Hello
[16:19] Marvin: May I have your account number and password please?
[16:19] Visitor 213578734: yesterday i had a discussion with one of the rep
[16:19] Visitor 213578734: xxxx
[16:20] Visitor 213578734: xxxx
[16:20] Visitor 213578734: why am i limited??
[16:20] Marvin: please hold one moment so I can review your account
[16:20] Visitor 213578734: this will go to the forum if it is not resolve
[16:23] Visitor 213578734: easystreet didn't even warn me before you guys limited me
[16:23] Visitor 213578734: what kind of business is this?
[16:24] Marvin: You were limited because your wagers were only on half games and not giving enough rounded action however general rules # 10 Easy Street Sports reserves the right to limit or refuse any wager at any time, and can deny wagers from clients who reside in states or provinces that prohibit sports wagering.
[16:25] Marvin: please stay online let me see if there is anything I can do
[16:25] Visitor 213578734: i can't just bet on half games?
[16:26] Marvin: you can but if you do you usually get a lower limits
[16:26] Marvin: but please give me a moment to see if anything can be done for your particular account
[16:26] Visitor 213578734: you reserve the right, yes. but if you this to ur customer, you will not have repeats and a bad rep!!!
[16:28] Visitor 213578734: if you guys gonna do something thing, you gotta warn me before you do
[16:28] Visitor 213578734: if you treat one of ur customer right, word will go out. trust me....
[16:28] Visitor 213578734: not right***
[16:29] Visitor 213578734: i haven't ask for a payout
[16:29] Visitor 213578734: and i got 11,000 of rollover left
[16:29] Visitor 213578734: and u're limiting me?
[16:29] Tony G has joined the conversation
[16:30] Tony G: please be patient, marvin is checking for you
[16:30] Tony G: he'll be right back
[16:30] Visitor 213578734: i'm sorry i am piss.......
[16:30] Tony G has left the conversation
[16:31] Marvin: Hello xxxx
[16:31] Visitor 213578734: i haven't even got a payout from you guys, u're already limiting me
[16:31] Visitor 213578734: how am i going to make the rollover if you limit me when i got 11,000 left???
[16:31] Marvin: I just spoke to management due to the fact that you mainly wager on halves they will not increase your limits
[16:32] Marvin: you may play with your current limits until you account is reviewed in another 2 weeks
[16:32] Marvin: or you can request a payout and lose the bonus
[16:32] Visitor 213578734: this mass up!!!!
[16:32] Marvin: payouts on Tuesdays are for free
[16:32] Visitor 213578734: so i can request a payout?
[16:33] Visitor 213578734: anytime?
[16:33] Visitor 213578734: what is my limit?
[16:33] Marvin: any other day you the cost of the payout will be deducted from your account
[16:33] Visitor 213578734: i don't even know what's my limit?
[16:33] Marvin: $500 on full games, $250 on halves and $100 on props
[16:33] Visitor 213578734: i just know that i can't bet on anything
[16:34] Visitor 213578734: i can't even parlay
[16:34] Marvin: you can do parlays
[16:34] Visitor 213578734: i talk to a rep yesterday and they lifted my parlay limit
[16:34] Visitor 213578734: i've arleady try
[16:34] Marvin: that was a mistake when they changed your profile that has already been rectified
[16:35] Marvin: did you try today?
[16:35] Visitor 213578734: yes
[16:35] Visitor 213578734: just now
[16:35] Marvin: let me check again
[16:35] Marvin: one moment please
[16:35] Visitor 213578734: amount in parlay exceeded limit for this game is 100 usd
[16:38] Marvin: can you please tell me what you are trying to parlay?
[16:38] Visitor 213578734: bulls, heat, dogers under
[16:38] Marvin: parlays on full games are limited to $250 and anything else is $100
[16:39] Marvin: are those full games or halves?
[16:39] Visitor 213578734: ya, i was trying to put in a 100 bet
[16:39] Visitor 213578734: half
[16:39] Visitor 213578734: word will go out of ur questionable actions!
[16:39] Marvin: you just stated the system gave you $100 limit on parlays
[16:39] Visitor 213578734: ya
[16:40] Visitor 213578734: i'm trying to put in a 100 parlay
[16:40] Visitor 213578734: and it wouldn't let me
[16:40] Visitor 213578734: is ur system not working?
[16:41] Marvin: please let me try here
[16:42] Marvin: bulls and heat 1st half correct?
[16:42] Visitor 213578734: they bulls game already started!!!!
[16:43] Visitor 213578734: the*
[16:43] Marvin: I can get your wager in if you still wish
[16:44] Visitor 213578734: ya
[16:44] Visitor 213578734: bulls, heats, dogers/gaints under
[16:44] Visitor 213578734: if i win, my wager better not be voided!
[16:45] Marvin: it won't be
[16:45] Visitor 213578734: be do it
[16:46] Visitor 213578734: well do it
[16:47] Marvin: you will have a 3 team parlay with 1H bulls - 4 (-115) 1H mia -6 (-115) and LAD (j sanchez vs billingsley) under 7 (-110) for $100
[16:47] Marvin: is that what you wanted ?
[16:47] Visitor 213578734: yes
[16:48] Marvin: FYI the reason the system didn't accept it was because you already had a wager on the bulls
[16:48] Marvin: but I will place this one for you
[16:49] Visitor 213578734: ya, straight wager
[16:51] Visitor 213578734 has left the conversation

[mikeyg]

That whole conversation just shows how scared these little girls are of people winning real money.

You should maybe try to figure out how you could pay the $46grrr you owe instead of posting stupid conversations that show how piss poor your group really is.

Either pay the money or go F#@K yourself Marvin...errrrr.... Alex

[pokerplayer22]

The whole fckn shop is a rinky dink operation...as is the case with every joint that Powers is a part of.

[Justin7]

If I were handling this complaint, I would suggest
1. EZ close the account
2. EZ pro-rate the bonus. If he received a $500 cash bonus, and has met 3/14ths of the rollover, I would take back the unearned bonus (11/14th of the bonus)
3. Pay the player, and move on.

I understand your frustration... but EZ does not market itself to be a pro-book like Pinnacle or Bookmaker. This is the recommendation I give in all disputes where a rec-book doesn't want action from a pro.

It's much easier to end the relationship, than drag it on with both sides unhappy.

[pokerplayer22]

If I were handling this complaint, I would suggest
1. EZ close the account
2. EZ pro-rate the bonus. If he received a $500 cash bonus, and has met 3/14ths of the rollover, I would take back the unearned bonus (11/14th of the bonus)
3. Pay the player, and move on.

I understand your frustration... but EZ does not market itself to be a pro-book like Pinnacle or Bookmaker. This is the recommendation I give in all disputes where a rec-book doesn't want action from a pro.

It's much easier to end the relationship, than drag it on with both sides unhappy.

The problem is that I dont think the word pro-rate is in Powers' vocabulary. From the looks of the chat that Marvin the goof posted, it looks like they offered to take back the bonus instead of pro-rate it. Ahh...more EZ shenanigans

[dark star]

Its never Easy at Easy

[pokerplayer22]

Its never Easy at Easy

LOL

[ucbearcats1027]

lol you wont see a dime of yur money

[HedgeHog]

I don't get this complaint at all. OP is apparently only limited on halves and props (max $250). On full games, he can still bet a full $500 per game. RO is still reasonably attainable at these levels.

[tomcowley]

What was the original limit on halves?

[HedgeHog]

What was the original limit on halves?

$500, same as full games. His halves were reduced to $250.

[tomcowley]

When you start screwing with limits after a cash bonus, you should either reduce the remaining rollover by the same factor (in this case 11k left/2 = 5500 left) or let the player go at any time prorated. The book shouldn't be able to extend the expected number of bets to clear rollover. If a book deals US sports and soccer at nickel limits, but the soccer is effectively -150/-150 lines, and you cut the US sports to $1, it's pretty retarded to force the player to either bet for years or bet into stuff he doesn't want to play. This is just the same thing on a smaller scale.

[pokerplayer22]

pokerplayer it's getting old, move on with your life.

Simple.

Ahh...the peanut gallery has arrived...

[stevex]

So sad.

[HedgeHog]

Even the best Books will limit you if continually pound halves. In fact, Heritage recently did the exact same thing, reducing a player's halves to $250 while leaving full game bets alone. If OP can still bet $500 on full games, then this particular complaint is a non-issue.

[stevex]

^Exactly.

[KGambler]

Not sure why OP lied and said he was limited to $250 per day.

[tomcowley]

Even the best Books will limit you if continually pound halves. In fact, Heritage recently did the exact same thing, reducing a player's halves to $250 while leaving full game bets alone. If OP can still bet $500 on full games, then this particular complaint is a non-issue.

That conclusion makes absolutely no logical sense. The player didn't sign up under a contract to play only full games towards rollover. If a book wants to do stupid crap like that where it counts bets on different markets differently (hello BetUS), or wants to enforce some stupid percentage-of-action-on-full-games (hello WagerWeb), it should at least be in the rules before depositing. When you're operating at or below BetUS and Wagerweb, that really says something.

[tomcowley]

Not sure why OP lied and said he was limited to $250 per day.

It's possible that he bet 250, and in the process of them ******* with his account multiple times, he couldn't bet anything else at the time. Or everything he tried to bet was a parlay with something that he'd already bet max on, and it looked to him like he couldn't bet anything else for the day. And then thought it was 250/day.

[HedgeHog]

That conclusion makes absolutely no logical sense. The player didn't sign up under a contract to play only full games towards rollover. If a book wants to do stupid crap like that where it counts bets on different markets differently (hello BetUS), or wants to enforce some stupid percentage-of-action-on-full-games (hello WagerWeb), it should at least be in the rules before depositing. When you're operating at or below BetUS and Wagerweb, that really says something.

I would agree with you that if OP's full game bets were cut in half, then the RO should be reduced by the same. However, I don't see why a Book should be obligated to $500 on halves and props too.

[tomcowley]

It shouldn't be obligated to take anything, but when it stops taking the action that it's advertised it will take, it can't reasonably expect the player to have to give it different action or to spend multiples of time giving it the same (cumulative) action. Full games don't have any logical privileged status. If they want donks only betting 500 on halves, then start halves at 250 and only increase it after you've profiled a donk.

[Counterfeit Cash]

It also looks as if they are gonna charge him a fee just to get his money back...

[mikeanite]

It's possible that he bet 250, and in the process of them ******* with his account multiple times, he couldn't bet anything else at the time. Or everything he tried to bet was a parlay with something that he'd already bet max on, and it looked to him like he couldn't bet anything else for the day. And then thought it was 250/day.

this is what happen. i bet the max on a straight and try to parlay another bet and the system shut me down. ez limiting me when i still have a lot of rollover is wrong. i would understand if i finish my rollover and pounding them, but i'm not.

[xstud]

So another player is quick to bash a great book. Very sad.

[SportsMozart]

These guys did get a pass. After stealing $46000 they were downgraded from C+ to C... That is almost nothing! I was thinking after stealing such a large sum they will be blacklisted! Man! They can steal 4 more times before reaching F. I think it was worth it!

[HedgeHog]

this is what happen. i bet the max on a straight and try to parlay another bet and the system shut me down. ez limiting me when i still have a lot of rollover is wrong. i would understand if i finish my rollover and pounding them, but i'm not.

I'm assuming your straight bet is for $500. If that's the case, you've reached your aggregate limit on that side, so you can't put anymore in parlays involving it.

[KGambler]

These guys did get a pass. After stealing $46000 they were downgraded from C+ to C... That is almost nothing! I was thinking after stealing such a large sum they will be blacklisted! Man! They can steal 4 more times before reaching F. I think it was worth it!

Justin has commented that they will be downgraded further if they continue to stiff cory1111. The case is not considered closed yet.

[SportsMozart]

There are 3 fazes when new book like ES comes to the market

1. Building up their reputation, and customer base, trying to improve rating with SBR. Image of the new, honest and caring outfit! Great bonus program and people are pouring in. SBR forum just rocks!

2.Major controversy rises , somebody wins big. What to do now? Pay the guy? Yes that would be right thing to do , but can not really do that so let's keep fighting back and make it all look like fraud. All the previous good work is in jeopardy. First dark clouds are on horizon. Book is facing downgrading for theft...Damn!!! Yet fuk it - we ain't gonna give out $46k, are you kidding me!??

3. Book is downgraded to D- and on blacklist. Fuk it all , reputation does not matter anymore, let's just stiff everybody and run away with some money on closing! Fuk SBR and their ratings,fuk the SBR forums, it does not matter anyway. So let's give unreal bonuses, take in deposits and keep it all! And soon thereafter curtain falls.

[KGambler]

There are 3 fazes when new book like ES comes to the market

1. Building up their reputation, and customer base, trying to improve rating with SBR. Image of the new, honest and caring outfit! Great bonus program and people are pouring in. SBR forum just rocks!

2.Major controversy rises , somebody wins big. What to do now? Pay the guy? Yes that would be right thing to do , but can not really do that so let's keep fighting back and make it all look like fraud. All the previous good work is in jeopardy. First dark clouds are on horizon. Book is facing downgrading for theft...Damn!!! Yet fuk it - we ain't gonna give out $46k, are you kidding me!??

3. Book is downgraded to D- and on blacklist. Fuk it all , reputation does not matter anymore, let's just stiff everybody and run away with some money on closing! Fuk SBR and their ratings,fuk the SBR forums, it does not matter anyway. So let's give unreal bonuses, take in deposits and keep it all! And soon thereafter curtain falls.

Sounds about right...