Climate Change

[b1slickguy]

These fools are going to destroy the planet. I guess after being lied to, we're now at the "it's happening and it's not a big deal" stage with this crap. We've already witnessed "it's just a conspiracy theory, that's not definitely not happening" and "it's happening and it's a good thing" is on the way.

The same pages from the same playbook over and over again.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scientists Conduct Secret Aerosol Experiment in the Sky<br><br>Bill Gates said he always wanted to spray something in the air to “block the sun,” and now it’s happening.<br><br>Scientists conducted a solar geoengineering experiment right outside of San Francisco.<br> <br>What’s alarming is that… <a href="https://t.co/5xI5udeK4L">pic.twitter.com/5xI5udeK4L</a></p>&mdash; The Vigilant Fox �� (@VigilantFox) <a href="https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1777823823028523521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[b1slickguy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Climate science.����<br><br>One would think that with all the bombs being dropped now that the climate clock would be sped up but fortunately no one keeps track when a Democrat is president. <a href="https://t.co/s80FKWjJHj">pic.twitter.com/s80FKWjJHj</a></p>&mdash; MAZE (@mazemoore) <a href="https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1773167702284132706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[b1slickguy]

Rain tax?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If You Live In America, You Need To Be Aware Of This ��<br><br>“Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Salesforce, and Goldman Sachs. They invested heavily a $100,000,000 into something called BlocPower. BlocPower has a goal to decarbonize all homes in America”<br><br>The reality is very sinister, the real… <a href="https://t.co/riX077xe7K">pic.twitter.com/riX077xe7K</a></p>&mdash; Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WallStreetApes/status/1773085095404155012?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DwightShrute]

Climate hoaxer believes carbon dioxide is "a huge part of our atmosphere."
(It's makes up only 0.4% of the atmosphere)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MUST WATCH! Sen. John Kennedy asked a &quot;star&quot; Democrat witness about carbon dioxide and climate change...<br><br>This exchange defines what the climate grift cult is: empty, uninformed talking points... and all they know is to ask for money. <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/sFSX2c3CYR">pic.twitter.com/sFSX2c3CYR</a></p>&mdash; Tim Young (@TimRunsHisMouth) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1771294756225560872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

that kid must be related to Hareeballs.

[b1slickguy]

Climate hoaxer believes carbon dioxide is "a huge part of our atmosphere."
(It's makes up only 0.4% of the atmosphere)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MUST WATCH! Sen. John Kennedy asked a &quot;star&quot; Democrat witness about carbon dioxide and climate change...<br><br>This exchange defines what the climate grift cult is: empty, uninformed talking points... and all they know is to ask for money. <a href="https://t.co/sFSX2c3CYR">pic.twitter.com/sFSX2c3CYR</a></p>&mdash; Tim Young (@TimRunsHisMouth) <a href="https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1771294756225560872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[b1slickguy]

what's the solution? What can we do about it? Shall we blow up the sun? Put up a reflective shield in the sky?

[DwightShrute]

‘Red Alert’ to world as every major climate record busted

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2024/03/20/un-climate-warning?ahe=7e81af2a57948ef24805fbcec3794326ff89f2e2096d31aeb49c1a5fae400a09&acid=4204220&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020240320&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Adestra&lr_hash=96e30329e1267730dc7855f7116e2fc3

but yeah!
it's just a hoax

what's the solution? What can we do about it? Shall we blow up the sun? Put up a reflective shield in the sky?

[19th Hole]

Out of the basement and off to the beach.
Slow Joe embracing global-warming.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Biden naps at the beach while America up in flames politically, militarily, economically, morally. <a href="https://t.co/XIRxLo16Cu">pic.twitter.com/XIRxLo16Cu</a></p>&mdash; @KHallBooks ���� ���� (@Kilburn_Hall) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kilburn_Hall/status/1768074950987087932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Hareeba!]

‘Red Alert’ to world as every major climate record busted

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2024/03/20/un-climate-warning?ahe=7e81af2a57948ef24805fbcec3794326ff89f2e2096d31aeb49c1a5fae400a09&acid=4204220&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020240320&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Adestra&lr_hash=96e30329e1267730dc7855f7116e2fc3

but yeah!
it's just a hoax

[b1slickguy]

[DwightShrute]

Arctic air spilled south across the Plains starting on Friday January 12th and lasting through January 16th. Windchills in the -20 to -30 range were common through this time period. In addition, 15 temperature records were broken across Central and Southeast Kansas.

Jan 12, 2024

[Foxx]

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/3/18/photos-record-heat-index-of-62-3c-scorches-rio-de-janeiro

The girl from Ipanema is not so cool today.

Record heat index in Rio. Feels like 144 F.

[b1slickguy]

what's the solution?

Paper straws in plastic wrappers and more climate summits with in hundreds of private jets flying in from around the world.

[b1slickguy]

[19th Hole]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Kerry Praises Haitian Cannibals&#39; Efforts To Reduce Humanity&#39;s Carbon Footprint <a href="https://t.co/RRFSWtLMGY">https://t.co/RRFSWtLMGY</a> <a href="https://t.co/RTq617326F">pic.twitter.com/RTq617326F</a></p>&mdash; The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1769438647797928183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[DwightShrute]

From tomorrow, every school in South Sudan (population 11 million) is closing indefinitely because record heat will push temperatures over 45C (113F) across large parts of the country.

There is of course no AC. The climate crisis is such a terrible injustice for the global south.

But of course it's all just a hoax!

what's the solution?

[slewfan]

The Globe is cooling itself off. ? .


Into the ash[/COLOR] Iceland volcano pouring out fountains of lava in fourth eruption since December

[Hareeba!]

From tomorrow, every school in South Sudan (population 11 million) is closing indefinitely because record heat will push temperatures over 45C (113F) across large parts of the country.

There is of course no AC. The climate crisis is such a terrible injustice for the global south.

But of course it's all just a hoax!

[Hareeba!]

Mass mortality currently unfolding in the northern Great Barrier Reef.

This isn’t an isolated site: an entire 8km long fore-reef flank that three months ago was >80% coral cover.
After 6 DHW >90% of these colonies are either bleached or dead.

But just a hoax?

[Hareeba!]

This thread is just the perfect response to all those science, climate and vaccine denialists who like to spout their ignorance in forums such as this.



One of the best things I ever did to educate myself was learn about the mechanics of climate change denial.

Time and again, it’s helped me navigate science issues where the media can’t cope & where tribal instincts don’t help. Vaccines, radiation, COVID, trans issues.

Often people say“critical thinking” is key, as if someone without years of scientific training could easily navigate often tough scientific questions so long as they “question everything”.

But there is a reason why “question everything” is the slogan of conspiracy theorist.

You can’t question everything all the time. You’d cognitively fall apart. You wouldn’t get out of bed.

Instead, “question everything” is simply a formula for rejecting evidence you don’t like. “Question everything” conspiracy theorists are notoriously immune to evidence.

Instead, in difficult scientific disputes, ask - who to trust?

That sounds tough.

Except.

Except when scientific disputes become political, it’s highly unlikely it’s a genuine split among experts.

Typically, there are financial and ideological bad faith players.

What these bad faith players do is set up a façade of expertise - they astroturf, create grand-sounding institutes, often with names paradoxically opposed to their true goal.


With this façade they aim not to influence science, but instead politics and the media. They’re lobby groups often with lots of money from who knows where.

Some examples:

The Global Warming Policy Foundation is a climate change denying group.


The European Committee on Radiation Risk is a bunch of anti-nuclear cranks chaired by someone who once tried to market useless pills to the “children of Fukushima”.

The Society For Evidence-Based Gender Medicine is opposed to gender-affirming medicine.


The Alliance for Defending Freedom campaigns to make abortions, and being gay or transgender, as illegal as possible around the world.

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons opposes vaccines and claims abortion causes cancer.

Autism Speaks is a crank organisation that demonises people with autism and promotes fake cures.

America’s Frontline Doctors promoted fake COVID cures like Ivermectin and campaigns against vaccines.

None of these groups fools actual scientists.

But that’s not the point. The point is to fool you, and to influence politics. They simply bypass science. Their attempts at doing genuine peer-reviewed science (for PR) are typically sparse and bad.


They get help from the media: because these disputes are often tribal, right wing or left wing media are VERY happy to have an “expert” from a plausible-sounding organisation to back their narrative.

Yes, it’s mainly right wing media, but it happens on the left too.


Politicians too love to have “experts” to cover their ideological goals. That’s why there is, for example, a toxic triangle of dark-funded think tanks (eg the several housed together at 55 Tufton St), RW media, and the UK govt. Politicians can claim they have “consulted”.


And this is where the “critical thinking” approach that says “look at the evidence and decide for your inexpert self” has problems.

What if one “half” of the debate is not there in good faith?

How does “listening to both sides” work then?

Because it’s not a fair fight.

One side is trying to explain often complex scientific issues, with the risk that every simplification contains an error of omission that can be used in bad faith to undermine their credibility.

The other side is selling you a story.


For example: “The COVID vaccine will protect you”.

This is true, but it was contradicted by anti-vaxxers saying “it doesn’t stop the virus 100%. Then experts with little media training stutter out complex qualifications.

So they get to present the mainstream as liars.

If you’re telling a story that isn’t restricted by facts, you get to focus on what appeals. And what appeals is a simple enough story that evokes fear, and the idea of a cover-up.

A conspiracy theory.

At which point, you’re already into the rabbit hole.

What makes it a conspiracy theory is unavoidably claiming that vast numbers of experts with years of education and research experience are all in on the lie.

So what to do?

How do you avoid this happening?

Are there no real scientific disputes?

Before you listen to anyone, check their credentials. Are they
1. employed by a university or respectable scientific institute.
2. qualified and longtime researching in the appropriate area
3. with no story of bad practice or scandal attached to their name

How?

1. sniff out the fake institutes. Check their funding, their support for other dodgy causes, their reception by experts. As Naomi Oreskes noted in her book on GW denialism, it’s often the same bad faith actors in dispute after dispute. eg tobacco, climate change, (& COVID)

1. Be wary of people qualified in one area playing expert in another, no matter their status. Several professional climate change denialists had PhDs - but not in climate science. A physicist or evolutionary biologist has no expertise in trans health. Sorry, Prof Dawkins.

3. Finally, check for cranks. Patrick Minford is an economics professor. But he’s a crank dismissed by everyone except Brexiteers.

Check the journals they publish in are genuine quality and not predatory etc.

Check they’ve never had malpractice issues. Etc.

Do all that, and you’re left with people to listen to.

It’s highly likely that you’re left largely with only one side of the debate still standing.

Getting into the scientific details is good for rebuttals and tackling disinformation.

But you have to be informed first.

Climate change, radiation & health, vaccines, COVID, trans health. The same pattern.

Often the same professional networks of lobbyists.

And no, political tribal instincts will not help you. The difference between left and right is merely that the right has more money.

There are, of course, genuine scientific disputes between qualified experts.

But here’s the thing: they’ll be at a level beyond your formal education.

They’ll be difficult, and require a LOT of reading just to understand where both sides agree.

So a final rule of thumb:

If you find yourself believing vast swathes of experts around the world have been hoodwinked by something simple enough for you as a layperson to understand - you very likely already have at least one foot down the rabbit hole.

Stay safe.

[b1slickguy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today is John Kerry&#39;s last day as Biden&#39;s climate envoy.<br><br>In honor of the occasion, here&#39;s a video of Kerry being called out for his private jet use.<br><br>Kerry will be remembered as a climate hypocrite. <a href="https://t.co/rhoksgELcw">pic.twitter.com/rhoksgELcw</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Turner (@DanielTurnerPTF) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanielTurnerPTF/status/1765379006650622140?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 6, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slewfan]

I guess this is the first time a record has been broken.

1) Hole in the ozone.. 1960's and 70's

2) Acid Rain.. 1970's and 90's

3) Global Warming.. 2000''s

4) Climate Change.. Now

What's next. Trump wins election and Climate Change disappears until the next Democrat in office.

[Hareeba!]

yep, obviously a hoax

[DwightShrute]

[DwightShrute]

Somehow I feel less informed after hearing the "doctor" speak The Science™.

an out of shape White guy pretending to be a woman speaking about mental health in the Black community? Seems legit. This should make everyone vote democrat.

[b1slickguy]

the lunatics are running the asylum

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rachel Levine: “Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on the physical and mental health of black communities.”<br><br> <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/43zy8VWJHM">pic.twitter.com/43zy8VWJHM</a></p>&mdash; The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1758504793025192214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >February 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Somehow I feel less informed after hearing the "doctor" speak The Science™.

[getaloadoffatso]

the lunatics are running the asylum

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rachel Levine: “Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on the physical and mental health of black communities.”<br><br> <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/43zy8VWJHM">pic.twitter.com/43zy8VWJHM</a></p>&mdash; The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1758504793025192214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >February 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just when I think the liberal loonies are out of lies and made up statistics to pander to their ignorant base, they step up to plate and hit a grand slam

Of course, when being told this nonsense by a mentally ill he/she that Biden picked for a very important position, it is even more unbelievable

[DwightShrute]

the lunatics are running the asylum

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rachel Levine: “Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on the physical and mental health of black communities.”<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/43zy8VWJHM">pic.twitter.com/43zy8VWJHM</a></p>&mdash; The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) <a href="https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1758504793025192214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >February 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[brooks85]

GDP numbers are public record easy to look up and you are wrong.
POTUS is responsible for the country while in office. He will be judged by history just like all the rest.

they sure are which is why trump has some of the best GDP numbers ever....


"POTUS is responsible for the country while in office."

exactly, President not dictator...


you really make yourself look very low Iq fyi just letting you know

[jackpot269]

GDP numbers are public record easy to look up and you are wrong.
POTUS is responsible for the country while in office. He will be judged by history just like all the rest.

[brooks85]

Not even close! You think you can add that's cute. Your calculator must not work.

Trump never had an annual GNP of over 3. There has been several +4 since the year 2000. They were even better in the 1990's
Trump entered office with a 4.6 unemployment rate. Left office with a 6.5 unemployment rate.

Math/numbers don't add for up you. You need to learn it. Math/numbers

Trump's GDP numbers were some of the best in history so you're lying.

"Trump entered office with a 4.6 unemployment rate. Left office with a 6.5 unemployment rate."

yes because you idiots shut down the economy for no reason. How dumb are you? For real. You're not 5, stop acting like it.

[DwightShrute]

Not even close! You think you can add that's cute. Your calculator must not work.

Trump never had an annual GNP of over 3. There has been several +4 since the year 2000. They were even better in the 1990's
Trump entered office with a 4.6 unemployment rate. Left office with a 6.5 unemployment rate.

Math/numbers don't add for up you. You need to learn it. Math/numbers

Technically you are right, however its also a case of lying by omission. If you were talk to a person who's been in a coma since January 2020 and just woke up might also agree initially. However, it wouldn't take that person very long to find out that you were purposely misleading him. Once he discovered there was world wide pandemic that came from China and governments were shutting down businesses, including the USA, he'd know you were purposely misleading him. Which you were and are. If that person delved a little further, he would see that under Trump, the country had record the lowest inflation rates for Blacks, women and the country as a whole. Just about everything was better under Trump than it is with Biden.

If the coma patient was feeling up to it and decided to investigate a little further, he would see how Covid allowed politicians in certain States to steal the election. They did this by circumventing election laws by declaring an emergency. The coma guy would surely read about how the CDC allowed thousands of people to march side by side in the name career criminal who died of a drug overdose just weeks before. Then they convicted the cop simply because he was White. Justice! Yeah! The coroner ruled his death as a drug overdose. Yet, the cop was convicted of murder. Coma guy must be thinking to himself at this point "wait so they were allowed to go out in public in the height of a pandemic to protest systemic racism, but not to vote in person because its just too dangerous and certain politicians just decided to mail out millions of ballots to people who never asked for it?" Who are they trying to fool? How is that even legal? Hopefully he never found 2000 Mules or he would likely go back into a coma.

The coma patient presses on. He sees that social media banned anyone from questioning where the virus came from or any criticism against the experimental drug they were being force to take in order to continue to take part in society. A drug the government gave the drug companies immunity for lawsuits. Hmmm. They banned actual licensed doctors for talking about how other drugs helped their patients. Drugs that have been around for decades and cost pennies.

The coma patient would see how the FBI sat on a laptop for over a year which contained evidence of dealings with the CCP and Ukraine by the Biden family. Meetings where Joe (the Big Guy) received 10% of the millions his crackhead son was making. Not only did the FBI sit on it, they actually warmed social media companies that the NY Post was going to break the story and how Big Tech colluded to prevent anyone from sharing the story. He likely would come across how 51 former intelligence officials lied to the American people when they colluded to sign a letter claiming the laptop story was Russian disinformation. Yup, back to Russia again. They lied their asses off and the liberal media pushed the lie as they always do. To this day, the far Left still pretends that none of this proves election rigging or election stealing ever took place. He will read the headlines about this was the most secure election ever. The coma patient is laughing. He can see with his own to eyes that this election was rigged and stolen.

The former coma patient must be getting a headache by this point, but its nothing compared to when he reads about J6, the J6 committee, the 2nd impeachment, the sham indictments, the Afghanistan withdrawal, the Border, Ukraine, the fake unemployment numbers, The WH press secretary, the nuclear waste secretary stealing luggage, Biden falling up and down stair, Biden shaking hands with invisible people, Biden trying to finish a sentence, and all sorts of shit that would make him wish he never woke up from the coma.

The Biden presidency summed up in one picture

[jackpot269]

then you're very low IQ.

Trump was the best candidate this country has seen in your lifetime. No question. Math proves this.


What did trump do to hurt your feelings woman?

Not even close! You think you can add that's cute. Your calculator must not work.

Trump never had an annual GNP of over 3. There has been several +4 since the year 2000. They were even better in the 1990's
Trump entered office with a 4.6 unemployment rate. Left office with a 6.5 unemployment rate.

Math/numbers don't add for up you. You need to learn it. Math/numbers

[slewfan]

Climate Change.?



Scientist who once feared climate change catastrophe reveals how she got it wrong

[DwightShrute]

Yes, power and money influence a lot of people. There is a lot that are not even in a position for either. That is why Trump is such a scumbag. He has had both his entire life and expects everyone to follow and believe everything he says without question, and millions do. He puts himself above everyone else and if it don't benefit him, he couldn't care less. So yes, I can see how money and power, sometimes power even more than money for some, can influence people.

Your last paragraph. Maybe, but if I had been an ass kisser at work, I could have made a lot more money.

any comment on this ...