full of exaggerations, misinterpretations and outright lies
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The Science™, the experts and their cult have been wrong for decades. Yet they wonder why people still won't believe in their money fleecing scams.
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Oh look! Another taxpayer funded, money laundering scam.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">����DEVELOPING: Joe Biden, AOC, and Ed Markey teamed up to announce the launch of The American Climate Corps, an organization where you can apply to get paid to fight climate change while being educated on the subject. <a href="https://t.co/SA59FMKrYH">pic.twitter.com/SA59FMKrYH</a></p>— Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives (@dom_lucre) <a href="https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1783541239591145663?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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3 days ago the temperature was 90 degrees. 10 degrees over normal.
Today, the temp. is 53 degrees. 25 degrees or so under normal.
IS THAT CONSIDERED '' CLIMATE CHANGE ''.Leave a comment:
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Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why is this electric bus being charged with a massive diesel generator?<br><br>It's almost like the whole thing is a giant scam. ��<a href="https://t.co/biihd7qscO">pic.twitter.com/biihd7qscO</a></p>— Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) <a href="https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1782318462037106968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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they are gonna torch the sky one way or another.
News of Dubai getting a years worth of rain in 1 day… When will people wake up!! Dubai is well known for cloud seeding!!
“Meteorological experts are expected to carry out as many as 300 cloud seeding missions across the UAE in 2024.”Last edited by DwightShrute; 04-16-24, 10:59 PM.Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dubai airport looks like an apocalyptic movie. Videos of the flooding are insane.<br><br>I’ve seen some blaming climate change when the cause is actually from the use of weather modification.<br><br>Cloud seeding where chemicals are sprayed in clouds to create rain caused this. We recently… <a href="https://t.co/AoejGxJNnt">pic.twitter.com/AoejGxJNnt</a></p>— Robby Starbuck (@robbystarbuck) <a href="https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1780289109153505353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you are thinking about buying waterfront property in Florida, be careful.<br><br>According to this climate change special from 1982, Florida will be disappearing any day now. �� <a href="https://t.co/ItLhMa0w2c">pic.twitter.com/ItLhMa0w2c</a></p>— MAZE (@mazemoore) <a href="https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1780229477265485883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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Remember when last year was the year that every month smashed temperature records?
Yeah it's this year too
March 2024 is the tenth month in a row to be the hottest on record
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These fools are going to destroy the planet. I guess after being lied to, we're now at the "it's happening and it's not a big deal" stage with this crap. We've already witnessed "it's just a conspiracy theory, that's not definitely not happening" and "it's happening and it's a good thing" is on the way.
The same pages from the same playbook over and over again.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scientists Conduct Secret Aerosol Experiment in the Sky<br><br>Bill Gates said he always wanted to spray something in the air to “block the sun,” and now it’s happening.<br><br>Scientists conducted a solar geoengineering experiment right outside of San Francisco.<br> <br>What’s alarming is that… <a href="https://t.co/5xI5udeK4L">pic.twitter.com/5xI5udeK4L</a></p>— The Vigilant Fox �� (@VigilantFox) <a href="https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1777823823028523521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >April 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Climate science.����<br><br>One would think that with all the bombs being dropped now that the climate clock would be sped up but fortunately no one keeps track when a Democrat is president. <a href="https://t.co/s80FKWjJHj">pic.twitter.com/s80FKWjJHj</a></p>— MAZE (@mazemoore) <a href="https://twitter.com/mazemoore/status/1773167702284132706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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Rain tax?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If You Live In America, You Need To Be Aware Of This ��<br><br>“Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Salesforce, and Goldman Sachs. They invested heavily a $100,000,000 into something called BlocPower. BlocPower has a goal to decarbonize all homes in America”<br><br>The reality is very sinister, the real… <a href="https://t.co/riX077xe7K">pic.twitter.com/riX077xe7K</a></p>— Wall Street Apes (@WallStreetApes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WallStreetApes/status/1773085095404155012?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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Climate hoaxer believes carbon dioxide is "a huge part of our atmosphere."
(It's makes up only 0.4% of the atmosphere)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MUST WATCH! Sen. John Kennedy asked a "star" Democrat witness about carbon dioxide and climate change...<br><br>This exchange defines what the climate grift cult is: empty, uninformed talking points... and all they know is to ask for money. <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/sFSX2c3CYR">pic.twitter.com/sFSX2c3CYR</a></p>— Tim Young (@TimRunsHisMouth) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1771294756225560872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
that kid must be related to Hareeballs.Leave a comment:
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Climate hoaxer believes carbon dioxide is "a huge part of our atmosphere."
(It's makes up only 0.4% of the atmosphere)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MUST WATCH! Sen. John Kennedy asked a "star" Democrat witness about carbon dioxide and climate change...<br><br>This exchange defines what the climate grift cult is: empty, uninformed talking points... and all they know is to ask for money. <a href="https://t.co/sFSX2c3CYR">pic.twitter.com/sFSX2c3CYR</a></p>— Tim Young (@TimRunsHisMouth) <a href="https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1771294756225560872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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‘Red Alert’ to world as every major climate record busted
but yeah!
it's just a hoax
what's the solution? What can we do about it? Shall we blow up the sun? Put up a reflective shield in the sky?Leave a comment:
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Out of the basement and off to the beach.
Slow Joe embracing global-warming.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Biden naps at the beach while America up in flames politically, militarily, economically, morally. <a href="https://t.co/XIRxLo16Cu">pic.twitter.com/XIRxLo16Cu</a></p>— @KHallBooks ���� ���� (@Kilburn_Hall) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kilburn_Hall/status/1768074950987087932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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‘Red Alert’ to world as every major climate record busted
but yeah!
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Arctic air spilled south across the Plains starting on Friday January 12th and lasting through January 16th. Windchills in the -20 to -30 range were common through this time period. In addition, 15 temperature records were broken across Central and Southeast Kansas.
Jan 12, 2024
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The girl from Ipanema is not so cool today.
Record heat index in Rio. Feels like 144 F.Leave a comment:
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Kerry Praises Haitian Cannibals' Efforts To Reduce Humanity's Carbon Footprint <a href="https://t.co/RRFSWtLMGY">https://t.co/RRFSWtLMGY</a> <a href="https://t.co/RTq617326F">pic.twitter.com/RTq617326F</a></p>— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1769438647797928183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >March 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Leave a comment:
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The Globe is cooling itself off. ? .
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From tomorrow, every school in South Sudan (population 11 million) is closing indefinitely because record heat will push temperatures over 45C (113F) across large parts of the country.
There is of course no AC. The climate crisis is such a terrible injustice for the global south.
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Mass mortality currently unfolding in the northern Great Barrier Reef.
This isn’t an isolated site: an entire 8km long fore-reef flank that three months ago was >80% coral cover.
After 6 DHW >90% of these colonies are either bleached or dead.
But just a hoax?
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This thread is just the perfect response to all those science, climate and vaccine denialists who like to spout their ignorance in forums such as this.
One of the best things I ever did to educate myself was learn about the mechanics of climate change denial.
Time and again, it’s helped me navigate science issues where the media can’t cope & where tribal instincts don’t help. Vaccines, radiation, COVID, trans issues.
Often people say“critical thinking” is key, as if someone without years of scientific training could easily navigate often tough scientific questions so long as they “question everything”.
But there is a reason why “question everything” is the slogan of conspiracy theorist.
You can’t question everything all the time. You’d cognitively fall apart. You wouldn’t get out of bed.
Instead, “question everything” is simply a formula for rejecting evidence you don’t like. “Question everything” conspiracy theorists are notoriously immune to evidence.
Instead, in difficult scientific disputes, ask - who to trust?
That sounds tough.
Except.
Except when scientific disputes become political, it’s highly unlikely it’s a genuine split among experts.
Typically, there are financial and ideological bad faith players.
What these bad faith players do is set up a façade of expertise - they astroturf, create grand-sounding institutes, often with names paradoxically opposed to their true goal.
With this façade they aim not to influence science, but instead politics and the media. They’re lobby groups often with lots of money from who knows where.
Some examples:
The Global Warming Policy Foundation is a climate change denying group.
The European Committee on Radiation Risk is a bunch of anti-nuclear cranks chaired by someone who once tried to market useless pills to the “children of Fukushima”.
The Society For Evidence-Based Gender Medicine is opposed to gender-affirming medicine.
The Alliance for Defending Freedom campaigns to make abortions, and being gay or transgender, as illegal as possible around the world.
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons opposes vaccines and claims abortion causes cancer.
Autism Speaks is a crank organisation that demonises people with autism and promotes fake cures.
America’s Frontline Doctors promoted fake COVID cures like Ivermectin and campaigns against vaccines.
None of these groups fools actual scientists.
But that’s not the point. The point is to fool you, and to influence politics. They simply bypass science. Their attempts at doing genuine peer-reviewed science (for PR) are typically sparse and bad.
They get help from the media: because these disputes are often tribal, right wing or left wing media are VERY happy to have an “expert” from a plausible-sounding organisation to back their narrative.
Yes, it’s mainly right wing media, but it happens on the left too.
Politicians too love to have “experts” to cover their ideological goals. That’s why there is, for example, a toxic triangle of dark-funded think tanks (eg the several housed together at 55 Tufton St), RW media, and the UK govt. Politicians can claim they have “consulted”.
And this is where the “critical thinking” approach that says “look at the evidence and decide for your inexpert self” has problems.
What if one “half” of the debate is not there in good faith?
How does “listening to both sides” work then?
Because it’s not a fair fight.
One side is trying to explain often complex scientific issues, with the risk that every simplification contains an error of omission that can be used in bad faith to undermine their credibility.
The other side is selling you a story.
For example: “The COVID vaccine will protect you”.
This is true, but it was contradicted by anti-vaxxers saying “it doesn’t stop the virus 100%. Then experts with little media training stutter out complex qualifications.
So they get to present the mainstream as liars.
If you’re telling a story that isn’t restricted by facts, you get to focus on what appeals. And what appeals is a simple enough story that evokes fear, and the idea of a cover-up.
A conspiracy theory.
At which point, you’re already into the rabbit hole.
What makes it a conspiracy theory is unavoidably claiming that vast numbers of experts with years of education and research experience are all in on the lie.
So what to do?
How do you avoid this happening?
Are there no real scientific disputes?
Before you listen to anyone, check their credentials. Are they
1. employed by a university or respectable scientific institute.
2. qualified and longtime researching in the appropriate area
3. with no story of bad practice or scandal attached to their name
How?
- sniff out the fake institutes. Check their funding, their support for other dodgy causes, their reception by experts. As Naomi Oreskes noted in her book on GW denialism, it’s often the same bad faith actors in dispute after dispute. eg tobacco, climate change, (& COVID)
- Be wary of people qualified in one area playing expert in another, no matter their status. Several professional climate change denialists had PhDs - but not in climate science. A physicist or evolutionary biologist has no expertise in trans health. Sorry, Prof Dawkins.
3. Finally, check for cranks. Patrick Minford is an economics professor. But he’s a crank dismissed by everyone except Brexiteers.
Check the journals they publish in are genuine quality and not predatory etc.
Check they’ve never had malpractice issues. Etc.
Do all that, and you’re left with people to listen to.
It’s highly likely that you’re left largely with only one side of the debate still standing.
Getting into the scientific details is good for rebuttals and tackling disinformation.
But you have to be informed first.
Climate change, radiation & health, vaccines, COVID, trans health. The same pattern.
Often the same professional networks of lobbyists.
And no, political tribal instincts will not help you. The difference between left and right is merely that the right has more money.
There are, of course, genuine scientific disputes between qualified experts.
But here’s the thing: they’ll be at a level beyond your formal education.
They’ll be difficult, and require a LOT of reading just to understand where both sides agree.
So a final rule of thumb:
If you find yourself believing vast swathes of experts around the world have been hoodwinked by something simple enough for you as a layperson to understand - you very likely already have at least one foot down the rabbit hole.
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