What the Hell is going on in Ferguson, Missouri?

[kidcudi92]

Again, no chance witneses could be biased?

the guy talking about bias is the same guy running around calling people wiggers

imagine that.

[jtoler]

I think it is devastating to Dorian Johnson's statement.

Thing is he could be totally telling the truth or totally lying. Also if there are other eyewitnesses who didnt see the victim running down the street with hands up but rather attacking the cop, with everything thats gone down there just about any person who would normally tell the truth they would probably lie and say yeah he was running with hands up, itd be hard to say the victim was attacking the cop, with all thats gone on there and the history of the cops against blacks, but lawyers are smart they are good at finding inconsistencies. But Im told he was shot in the back multiple times, if so that doesnt look good for the cop.

[Kermit]

Middle class neighborhood....I can tell you have perspective Kermit we all aren't looting and stealing cigars I grew up on a golf course and haven't sagged a day in my life. Have both parents whom both have their masters degrees ....my point is we aren't all the same it would be like me going to a rural texas trailor park and saying See I told you their all he same

I agree with you completely. There is an older black guy 2 houses down from me and we cut each other's lawns if either of us go out of town. For the most part everyone has a good relationship. But we do have some issues with drug dealers shooting and killing each other that has recently become a problem.

[jtoler]

Again, no chance witneses could be biased?

Yes they could, but itd be hard if there is more than one eyewitness for them to have the same story after repeated questioning and there be no lying somewhere if they arnt telling the truth. Good lawyers will eventually find something wrong.

[El Nino]

Just calling it as I see it ...like I said those are mostly poor uneducated kids with hip hop influenced ethics it's not ideal. I for one am not for the looting but the unification is a good thing the fact that's this is getting major media attention for a prolonged period may make the next cop think twice about killing our young black youth. It's an issue I'm driving through west LA yesterday csi is out gang related shooting doesn't even make a peep in local media. Most of you live in proximity of poor blacks in the southeast and Midwest. Me and My family and friends cringe at the looting but what are you going to do? You guys need to travel get outside of your comfort zone if you think all black people are like the looters....get a passport and use it while you're at it

I don't care if someone is black, white, brown, whatever. This massive need to instantly react when not even the cops have sorted out the evidence is asinine. Then we have some hacker who hides behind a computer himself, yet feels he's doing a public service by giving a road map to someone's house (evidently the WRONG person) so that the angry mob can doll out justice. The entire thing is fukked.

[jtoler]

I don't care if someone is black, white, brown, whatever. This massive need to instantly react when not even the cops have sorted out the evidence is asinine. Then we have some hacker who hides behind a computer himself, yet feels he's doing a public service by giving a road map to someone's house (evidently the WRONG person) so that the angry mob can doll out justice. The entire thing is fukked.

Blame the police and or the government for their handling of this matter, they had video evidence from many days ago and are just releasing.

[muldoon]

After 5 days we know how many cigars he stole, but not how many bullets he ate.

[jtoler]

If it was only 1 bullet we'd know for sure, it was more than likely overkill as most of these cop killings are, a full clip is what Id think.

[El Nino]

Blame the police and or the government for their handling of this matter, they had video evidence from many days ago and are just releasing.

You realize that in a case where there is a homicide there is massive amounts of evidence to review and not everything can be released immediately? Some things will never be released to the public. Wait for the facts. Polite, gentle giant, jay walker turned into an assaultive thug stealing Swishers pretty quick. The facts will tell the story. No need to speculate.

[jtoler]

You realize that in a case where there is a homicide there is massive amounts of evidence to review and not everything can be released immediately? Some things will never be released to the public. Wait for the facts. Polite, gentle giant, jay walker turned into an assaultive thug stealing Swishers pretty quick. The facts will tell the story. No need to speculate.

So you think until today they didnt have knowledge that that was him in the video? Cmon.

[teaserpleaser]

I don't care if someone is black, white, brown, whatever. This massive need to instantly react when not even the cops have sorted out the evidence is asinine. Then we have some hacker who hides behind a computer himself, yet feels he's doing a public service by giving a road map to someone's house (evidently the WRONG person) so that the angry mob can doll out justice. The entire thing is fukked.

easy to say when you're not in the group being targeted ... This has been a major issue for a while down there do some homework on the subject check the racial breakdown of arrests and traffic stops and while you're at it try and come up with the answer to why there are only 3 black officers out of 53 when blacks make up the majority in ferguson. There's a history of racial injustice in ferguson and obvious frustration due to it.

[Kermit]

So you think until today they didnt have knowledge that that was him in the video? Cmon.

I actually remember hearing 4 days ago that he may have been involved in a convenience store robbery. But it kept getting pushed under the rug.

[El Nino]

So you think until today they didnt have knowledge that that was him in the video? Cmon.

I know that legally they cannot release everything. Then politically, they are dealing with a shit storm. I suppose having your town decimated by looters and having to protect innocent people from a torch wielding mob takes up man power and slows their ability to crank out faster police work too.

[tony_come]

Send Michelle Obama to ferguson

[teaserpleaser]

I know that legally they cannot release everything. Then politically, they are dealing with a shit storm. I suppose having your town decimated by looters and having to protect innocent people from a torch wielding mob takes up man power and slows their ability to crank out faster police work too.

Especially when those policemen aren't properly trained and managed

[jtoler]

easy to say when you're not in the group being targeted ... This has been a major issue for a while down there do some homework on the subject check the racial breakdown of arrests and traffic stops and while you're at it try and come up with the answer to why there are only 3 black officers out of 53 when blacks make up the majority in ferguson. There's a history of racial injustice in ferguson and obvious frustration due to it.

3 out of 53 doesnt make sense at all. Ive never seen a ratio like that in a majority black community, maybe Im naive.

[El Nino]

easy to say when you're not in the group being targeted ... This has been a major issue for a while down there do some homework on the subject check the racial breakdown of arrests and traffic stops and while you're at it try and come up with the answer to why there are only 3 black officers out of 53 when blacks make up the majority in ferguson. There's a history of racial injustice in ferguson and obvious frustration due to it.

Every group of people in this country have been targeted at one time or another.

[teaserpleaser]

Every group of people in this country have been targeted at one time or another.

Which means fukk all ....that just some blanket statement (that I've heard before I might add)that you came up with because you have no comeback for facts I stated. Nice try

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

I still haven't seen anything that would justify shooting an unarmed person running AWAY from you.

Correct me if I am wrong, but firearms are supposed to be used only when the officers life, or that of a bystander, is put at risk.

Admittedly, I do not have all the facts. But I have to assume that opening fire on a suspect, running away from you, in broad daylight, on a potentially busy street, cannot be what police protocol dictates in this situation. Swishers or not.

There are 18 year olds stealing shit and threatening convienence store owners everywhere. In 99% of those places, many of which have armed police officers, justice is often served without gunfire. I am not trying to say it is better. Just that it can done.

[Kermit]

3 out of 53 doesnt make sense at all. Ive never seen a ratio like that in a majority black community, maybe Im naive.

The Police Chief says that he wished he had more black applicants, but there are none.

[teaserpleaser]

The Police Chief says that he wished he had more black applicants, but there are none.

Can always make some, recruit, pay more offer signing bonuses....etc etc that took me 10 seconds to come up with. Find It hard to believe him ...

[itchypickle]

Can always make some, recruit, pay more offer signing bonuses....etc etc that took me 10 seconds to come up with. Find It hard to believe him ...

Mayor already said this week they offered higher base pay and recruited...plus there are a few asian and pacific islander officers on the force not mentioned. Big takeaway is that the town of ferguson itself, and the apartments where all this has taken place has been described as extremely transient...people move from st louis to there for 3 or 4 months and then elsewhere....official listed is around 20,000 residents but locals say the people with roots there are far less so its not as if the pool of applicants is the same as L.A. or bigger cities.

And lets be honest...do you think Brown or Dorian would have signed up to go to the academy?? Look around at the protestors....not many civil servant types in that bunch.

[Ted Sheckler]

Can always make some, recruit, pay more offer signing bonuses....etc etc that took me 10 seconds to come up with. Find It hard to believe him ...

I don't find it hard to believe, because you have to have at least a GED to get into law enforcement...These animals...Laughable.

Ferguson police force, cleaning up the scum, 1 at a time. Good work gents.

[jtoler]

The Police Chief says that he wished he had more black applicants, but there are none.

I dont believe that at all, I can see hiring majority white officers who get off on having control over specific minorities.

[El Nino]

Which means fukk all ....that just some blanket statement (that I've heard before I might add)that you came up with because you have no comeback for facts I stated. Nice try

If you expect me to be an expert on Ferguson, then sorry I can't help you. I also don't have access to their applicant lists, so I can't tell you why only 3 out of 53 cops are black. In some towns, working at Costco pays better than being a cop. If they had a long list of unjustly dismissed black applicants from the hiring process, then I would say you're on to something. It would make more sense to hire black officers given the area is mostly black.

As far as frustration, when has flying off the handle with violence and theft solved anything? It's idiotic and it sets the race back each time it happens. My initial point was just this: You have people that know nothing, protesting, rioting, and looting. It's ignorant violence.

[teaserpleaser]

Mayor already said this week they offered higher base pay and recruited...plus there are a few asian and pacific islander officers on the force not mentioned. Big takeaway is that the town of ferguson itself, and the apartments where all this has taken place has been described as extremely transient...people move from st louis to there for 3 or 4 months and then elsewhere....official listed is around 20,000 residents but locals say the people with roots there are far less so its not as if the pool of applicants is the same as L.A. or bigger cities.

And lets be honest...do you think Brown or Dorian would have signed up to go to the academy?? Look around at the protestors....not many civil servant types in that bunch.

Majority of rioters aren't from ferguson lets get that out of the way...maybe they just aren't hiring blacks oh wait that couldn't be it so lets see what's happening lets set up a youth explorer program which we'll make sure a % is black youth groom them through middle school and high school (at worst it strengthens the relationship with your growing black population)also lets try and recruit blacks from the military not like its tough those guys have been getting paid peanuts and many need a a job after discharge. If the pay is good people will move to fill those jobs....even you should be able to see there is an issue here on some level....maybe you even have to come to LA or St. Louis to recruit but c'mon lets get a police force that reflects the community it serves....because it appears to be important

[itchypickle]

Blame the police and or the government for their handling of this matter, they had video evidence from many days ago and are just releasing.

So you want everything tried in the media and not the courts? This is a big thing...not everyone is entitled to active evidence in every crime. Police and prosecutors have a responsibility to follow the rules and not just give out everything to anyone on the street. If you, JToler are accused of say rape....can we all here at SBR be given your computer files to see if youve ever looked at porn that might be behind why you may have done it...your name and address....be let inside your home to go through your belongings? Or would you rather all that be handled professionally and only given to a jury?

[teaserpleaser]

If you expect me to be an expert on Ferguson, then sorry I can't help you. I also don't have access to their applicant lists, so I can't tell you why only 3 out of 53 cops are black. In some towns, working at Costco pays better than being a cop. If they had a long list of unjustly dismissed black applicants from the hiring process, then I would say you're on to something. It would make more sense to hire black officers given the area is mostly black.

As far as frustration, when has flying off the handle with violence and theft solved anything? It's idiotic and it sets the race back each time it happens. My initial point was just this: You have people that know nothing, protesting, rioting, and looting. It's ignorant violence.

All stats are online and being reported by media in other words public record for niño to search.

[kidcudi92]

White Plower!

[muldoon]

As far as frustration, when has flying off the handle with violence and theft solved anything? It's idiotic and it sets the race back each time it happens.

How far back does stuff like this set society's image of cops and white people?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ferguson-police-2009-assaulted-black-man?utm_content=buffer19a96&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Amid ongoing racial tensions in Ferguson, Mo., the Daily Beast reported on a 2009 incident in which city police beat up a wrongfully arrested African-American man and then charged him for getting blood on their uniforms.

[itchypickle]

Majority of rioters aren't from ferguson lets get that out of the way...maybe they just are hiring blacks oh wait that couldn't be what's happening so lets set up a youth explorer program which we'll make sure a % is black youth groom them through middle school and high school also lets try and recruit blacks from the military not like its tough those guys have been getting paid peanuts and many need a a job after discharge. If the pay is good people will move to fill those jobs....even you should be able to see there is an issue here on some level....maybe you even have to come to LA or St. Louis to recruit but c'mon lets get a police force that reflects the community it serves....because it appears to be important

I realize people from out of town are involved, but look at the apartment complex where it all happened around as well. The community as a whole. And as far as local representation...if your are for equal representation based on racial makeup.....Obama needs to resign the presidency, and so forth...thats a ridiculous premise, to say police shouldnt do a job based on race yet the only way they can be hired is dependent on their race. Majority of local police depts, not sheriff and state, have requirements that officer live where they work or adjacent to....so you can't being in people from farther away by law. And police/fire require a little more scrutiny on backgrounds than do applicants at a store. Lets be honest, we both know the routine of growing up of who does and doesnt wanna be a cop and what kind of reaction that gets among peers....its not for everyone. Same way the famous Chris Rock standup went about how they treat guys from the neighborhood who try and go to school rather than stay in the streets....lets not act like black teens growing up in St Louis area long to be dedicated public servants...the same as the guy/girl who grows up wealthy and is in pipeline to go to the professional field. Military and police usually inherit that sense from family....same as doctors and business people do...and lower socioeconomic people in the inner city. Heard it mentioned today that out of 15,000 registered voters in ferguson only 1,500 voted in recent elections for mayor and police chief etc....so this doesn't just happen by chance. People need to take part in the system and not just complain about it.

[itchypickle]

White Plower!

[Kermit]

I dont believe that at all, I can see hiring majority white officers who get off on having control over specific minorities.

I don't know. I sure in the Hell wouldn't want to be a cop there.

[kidcudi92]

Why isn't Dorian being arrested if he was involved in this robbery? Why aren't the witnesses being brought in?

[Kermit]

Why isn't Dorian being arrested if he was involved in this robbery? Why aren't the witnesses being brought in?

They most likely want the entire area to calm down first.